Reform

[ASCPFC]

Take your right-wing glasses off for a second. you do make me giggle: yes, all those things which the precious Tories trashed in 14 years of abuse of power but, of course, let's blame it on the Labour government.

So sorry that your expectations for instant changing of this Tory debacle within a year of winning the election have been dashed. Deluded but determined to peddle this sort of nonsense.

Don't get me wrong: I'm referring to the highlighted text, not the rest.

You see, the trouble with reading stuff on here is it's all so biased and based upon views that will never, ever, ever change.

Gives me a good old, rueful laugh, though, mate.

Cheers

I haven't blamed it on Labour, I would have blamed the Tories just as much. Giggle to yourself - glad you're enjoying yourself. As I said, plenty will vote for reform - then you can choke on your little giggles.
All Reform need to do is make some proper policies on immigration.
And, no, it's not just in here - it's in real life. One you might try and have if you can get out of your little toy box.

 

[ASCPFC]

I think a lot of the responses I get are due to my profile picture. I want to point out that my picture is a joke - I'm no big fan of Boris or Tories (although he's a likeable enough fella). I can't stand Khan, fair enough.
The point of the picture was actually to make me look like something like a Boris fan for a laugh. It's actually a poster in the Whitgift centre and is all just ironic. The bus actually says Crystal Palace. Maybe I'll do a Khan one with the right opportunity.
I want to point this out as I think people think I must be a Boris Tory (do they exist?). One promise I will make: I've never voted Tory - ever. Not would I ever - unless they completely changed their policies from only looking after the rich - that's how I view them. I also stopped voting for Labour after Blair. Make of that what you will.
And, yes, I'm entitled to vote in the UK - I have a postal vote. If Reform get some policies, currently I'd vote for them.

 

[Glazier#1]

I haven't blamed it on Labour, I would have blamed the Tories just as much. Giggle to yourself - glad you're enjoying yourself. As I said, plenty will vote for reform - then you can choke on your little giggles.
All Reform need to do is make some proper policies on immigration.
And, no, it's not just in here - it's in real life. One you might try and have if you can get out of your little toy box.

Er.... "However, the government are not taking the issues people care about seriously at all. Overall the health service, housing and cost of living are not changing. Big issues the government can't solve - largely due to complete incompetence."

Why do you think I'd 'choke'? A bit strong, mate; I'm not that upset, as you appear to be here.

'Little toy box' No, sorry. Don't see why you're getting so upset AS. I've expressed a view that you've been biased in your comment above. It's as clear as day.

Why shouldn't I enjoy myself, by the way?

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1918196324047954201

Love it

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

Reform takes control of Staffordshire County Council​

Reform UK has taken control of Staffordshire County Council, with some votes still being counted.

This is the first time Nigel Farage's party has taken full control of a council.

 

[ASCPFC]

Er.... "However, the government are not taking the issues people care about seriously at all. Overall the health service, housing and cost of living are not changing. Big issues the government can't solve - largely due to complete incompetence."

Why do you think I'd 'choke'? A bit strong, mate; I'm not that upset, as you appear to be here.

'Little toy box' No, sorry. Don't see why you're getting so upset AS. I've expressed a view that you've been biased in your comment above. It's as clear as day.

Why shouldn't I enjoy myself, by the way?

The government could include the previous one too. They've turned into all much the same to me - and loads of others. Another indication of Reform doing well in the future. I should have perhaps included the opposition too.
You're jumping to conclusions due to my profile. Triggered as usual. I think I'll change to MAGA hat or something. Try not to judge so quickly.
There is no clear bias - except in your head. As you seem to just take everything literally. Without thinking, clearly.
Let's say, however, this government. Their policies on any of the issues seem to have any even remote chance of working? They're not just soundbites just like the Tories of the previous years?
Enjoy yourself as much as you like - your prerogative.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Anyone on the left who still thinks Reform are a protest movement or just going to go away needs to get their head in the real world - of course there is context that these are only local elections, but there is a very clear trend evidenced by all sorts of polling. This is just the latest proof.

The level of apathy most people currently have with our political system, and consequently the two established parties, is enormous - that apathy has to lead them somewhere, and at the moment the left are offering no alternative at all. Reform are.

They poll well amongst youngsters who see that their personal prospects are shite, and never mind not offering an alternative, much of the left won't even acknowledge that is the case.

The centrists and Labour right who have taken complete control of the party are barrelling us towards a Reform government, and unless Labour have a major, major change in approach, that is undoubtedly where we will end up.

 

[Glazier#1]

The government could include the previous one too. They've turned into all much the same to me - and loads of others. Another indication of Reform doing well in the future. I should have perhaps included the opposition too.
You're jumping to conclusions due to my profile. Triggered as usual. I think I'll change to MAGA hat or something. Try not to judge so quickly.
There is no clear bias - except in your head. As you seem to just take everything literally. Without thinking, clearly.
Let's say, however, this government. Their policies on any of the issues seem to have any even remote chance of working? They're not just soundbites just like the Tories of the previous years?
Enjoy yourself as much as you like - your prerogative.

It's not nothing to do with profile. It's do with what you wrote, mate. If I'm judging at all, it's over what you've written and I've highlighted it. So the bias isn't in my head but clearly explained based upon your comment.
Yes, you've eventually clarified it by writing that you should've included the previous government but, even so, under a year is hardly enough time to judge the current administration, is it?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

It's not nothing to do with profile. It's do with what you wrote, mate. If I'm judging at all, it's over what you've written and I've highlighted it. So the bias isn't in my head but clearly explained based upon your comment.
Yes, you've eventually clarified it by writing that you should've included the previous government but, even so, under a year is hardly enough time to judge the current administration, is it?

What would be enough time in your view?

 

[DanH]

Anyone on the left who still thinks Reform are a protest movement or just going to go away needs to get their head in the real world - of course there is context that these are only local elections, but there is a very clear trend evidenced by all sorts of polling. This is just the latest proof.

The level of apathy most people currently have with our political system, and consequently the two established parties, is enormous - that apathy has to lead them somewhere, and at the moment the left are offering no alternative at all. Reform are.

They poll well amongst youngsters who see that their personal prospects are shite, and never mind not offering an alternative, much of the left won't even acknowledge that is the case.

The centrists and Labour right who have taken complete control of the party are barrelling us towards a Reform government, and unless Labour have a major, major change in approach, that is undoubtedly where we will end up.

Yep. Agree with nearly all this.

 

[ASCPFC]

It's not nothing to do with profile. It's do with what you wrote, mate. If I'm judging at all, it's over what you've written and I've highlighted it. So the bias isn't in my head but clearly explained based upon your comment.
Yes, you've eventually clarified it by writing that you should've included the previous government but, even so, under a year is hardly enough time to judge the current administration, is it?

Ok - enjoy. Think about my taking things literally comment. You can't extrapolate anything? I have to write everything exactly - perhaps I need to reference my work? Perhaps I need to add in definitions? Were the previous lot not also the government? Did I write Labour? Did I mention Starmer? Who, yes I don't like at all. Do you?
However, I can understand in today's left/ right environment. Which while laughing at everyone else, you're underscoring.
I'll sum it up for - there is zero chance any of the current government's policies are going to work. You want to wait - then wait. I won't bother as I have thinking and reasoning capacity.

 

[CrazyBadger]

Anyone on the left who still thinks Reform are a protest movement or just going to go away needs to get their head in the real world - of course there is context that these are only local elections, but there is a very clear trend evidenced by all sorts of polling. This is just the latest proof.

The level of apathy most people currently have with our political system, and consequently the two established parties, is enormous - that apathy has to lead them somewhere, and at the moment the left are offering no alternative at all. Reform are.

They poll well amongst youngsters who see that their personal prospects are shite, and never mind not offering an alternative, much of the left won't even acknowledge that is the case.

The centrists and Labour right who have taken complete control of the party are barrelling us towards a Reform government, and unless Labour have a major, major change in approach, that is undoubtedly where we will end up.

I still think that Reform can still be classified as a Protest movement, but this could be the protest that tells. But I'd quantify that that if others do not take note, then by the next GE, it will most definitely not be one.

We need a party that actually makes the hard decisions for the good of the country, not just for the popular vote. Tories have proven over the last 10 years that they were prepared to ditch their old Conservative values to pander to the left and win the woke vote, confident that the loyal right will stay with them. and they were wrong. Labour are in a situation where the woke vote is a large part of their electorate, in addition their traditional voters; the working classes are diminishing. Both parties now try to Please Everyone and end up Serving No one.
Time will tell if, when the Reform clamour dies down, they also will betray their ideals and promises to get into/stay in power, but right now they are the only alternative, and I really hope they can deliver on their promises, and show people there is another way and another option.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So you're calling me a liar now are you?
I quite easily gleaned it and I work with these people nearly every day too. She wanted to speak to me - these things happen. You just don't want to hear what you don't agree with.

No I wasn’t calling you a liar at all. I was interested given your attitude and that most people on public transport ignore one another these days. Too busy on their phones.

Was this in Ireland or the UK? If the UK is she an asylum seeker, a student or both? If both how is she financing the course, as a student loan wouldn’t be available? She would need to pay herself.

I am confused because you quote £s but asylum seekers in the UK don’t get benefits. They get accommodation and a small personal allowance.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

whenever a protest-vote gains some traction, the mainstream parties nick all their good ideas. What is different with Reform is the youth of their supporters. The under 30's seem to be very disillusioned with the mainstream.

 

[ASCPFC]

No I wasn’t calling you a liar at all. I was interested given your attitude and that most people on public transport ignore one another these days. Too busy on their phones.

Was this in Ireland or the UK? If the UK is she an asylum seeker, a student or both? If both how is she financing the course, as a student loan wouldn’t be available? She would need to pay herself.

I am confused because you quote £s but asylum seekers in the UK don’t get benefits. They get accommodation and a small personal allowance.

What she will be is an asylum seeker who now has leave to remain and a work permit. They used to call it stamp 4. I didn't quote pounds did I? Not impossible but in Ireland that's the dole in Euro. Despite anything that is said, once you get leave to remain you get all the benefits. She's on an Adult Education course in a further education college - one connected to my organisation. Which is probably why she sat talking to me. She knew my face.
Asylum seekers in the first instance get similar to what you state. Food, accommodation and an allowance - 38 I think. Yet, the issue is no one is refused. No one is deported. Then it's a matter of waiting around maybe 18 months to get full leave to remain and Bob's your uncle.
They generally stay in the free accommodation and work. A double piss take on the homeless Irish.

 

[Glazier#1]

Ok - enjoy. Think about my taking things literally comment. You can't extrapolate anything? I have to write everything exactly - perhaps I need to reference my work? Perhaps I need to add in definitions? Were the previous lot not also the government? Did I write Labour? Did I mention Starmer? Who, yes I don't like at all. Do you?
However, I can understand in today's left/ right environment. Which while laughing at everyone else, you're underscoring.
I'll sum it up for - there is zero chance any of the current government's policies are going to work. You want to wait - then wait. I won't bother as I have thinking and reasoning capacity.*

'However, the government are not taking the issues people care about seriously at all. Overall the health service, housing and cost of living are not changing.'

Sorry mate but when someone refers to 'the government', it's natural to assume you're talking about the government as it stands. No? Surely that's me extrapolating, isn't it?

*And presumably that means I don't have a thinking and reasoning capacity. Now you're going to upset me. lol.

 

[Willo]

A critical test for 'Reform' is whether their councillors can prove themselves in office.
Should they prove incompetent and incur the wrath of the constituents this could have a negative effect on the national party.

Thus far, 'Reform' have capitalised on the failings of both Labour and Conservatives with a PR campaign featuring flashy social media graphics and glossy pictures of Nigel Farage.

 

[ASCPFC]

A critical test for 'Reform' is whether their councillors can prove themselves in office.
Should they prove incompetent and incur the wrath of the constituents this could have a negative effect on the national party.

Thus far, 'Reform' have capitalised on the failings of both Labour and Conservatives with a PR campaign featuring flashy social media graphics and glossy pictures of Nigel Farage.

I tend to agree about Reform not actually offering much concrete evidence that they'll be incredibly different. Or completely competent at all. But, the point is more that people are seeing it as the only real possible alternative to more either snout scoffing or pontificating. Although they might just do the same.
It's kind of: who knows? There aren't many other realistic options.
I tend to think, unfortunately for yourself, Tories won't be making any comebacks but it's not totally impossible yet.
I also think Labour are alienating a lot of support. Including the working class, workers - definitely pensioners and retiring women; but also minorities who feel like they could get more on their own.

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

Very interesting explosion of votes for Reform. Folk are clearly miffed with what's going on in our Country. You only have to see the inadequate Labour MPs struggling to speak coherently in the Commons to realise how poorly served we are.

Unfortunately, the Conservatives blew their chances by all their infighting during their last spell in government. However, I feel more confident in the ability of more Tory MPs than Labour.

What I'm really annoyed about is the fact that I was prevented to use my vote to influence outcomes because of the government's proposed changes to regional boundaries. This is undoubtedly expected to benefit the Labour party.

 

[ASCPFC]

'However, the government are not taking the issues people care about seriously at all. Overall the health service, housing and cost of living are not changing.'

Sorry mate but when someone refers to 'the government', it's natural to assume you're talking about the government as it stands. No? Surely that's me extrapolating, isn't it?

*And presumably that means I don't have a thinking and reasoning capacity. Now you're going to upset me. lol.

Fair enough - I can quite understand. I'm not actually going to fall out over it or anything. Apologies for any harsh words. No, I didn't refer to you, but yes, that would be extrapolating. So you've got me there. 😉