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[Stirlingsays]

Come on Hrolf, there is no point in a site like this if it is an echo chamber. That is exactly what has gone wrong in the internet era. Instead of talking sensibly to people with opinions different from our own we reside in groups of people with similar opinions, which ultimately encourages us to despise those with a different opinion. We need sensibly discourse about the issues, and a willingness at least to listen, and potentially be influenced by sensible arguments. Disagreement is not trolling.

How long have you been reading Dan's posts on here?

He's been trolling for years.

I don't mind the trolling, I do it myself...it can be a laugh....but it's not really about debating issues.

Silvertop will debate issues, it's about matching the debate to the person you are conversing with.

If Dan actually wants to debate with you that's cool.

It's a different situation with others.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It's not just that Hope Not Hate are not well-regarded. They are quite simply hypocrites who peddle divisiveness, and whose aim is to generate hatred against those who don't share their world view. Their name is the one of the most spectacular examples of hypocrisy I can think of in today's political environment.

Totally untrue and is only evidence of a bias and prejudice beyond reason.

Take a look at what they do, how and why and judge it on its merits. Not on your own political viewpoint and immediate response to criticism.

They want to heal division, spread tolerance and respect for others. Not just with the far right but with everyone and all communities. They don’t hate the far right as people. They fight their politics because it is based on hatred. Their approach is based on love, not hatred.

 

[Spindle]

Here's the video for those who've not seen it

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

According to the 2021 census the white population was at 81 percent.

Mass immigration has continued apace.

We are projected to be a minority in our own country by around 2060....yeah we will probably all be dead but our children will experience the whip hand as some in pockets do today.

The next census in 2031 will likely show us at the mid to low 70s.

It shows just how important it is to change the demographic picture that has been decided for us.

If that fails, I do see conflict, but I would much rather it could be avoided......but there are a lot of young white males being given a sh1t deal in their own country by middle class traitors.

By whom?

As you well know there is no settled view on this for the very good reason there are too many variables for it to be known. So why are you spreading this kind of claim? Do you want to create division?

You are right though that most of us won’t be around. The next generations won’t be any more like us than we are like our parents or grandparents were. There will be even more mixing than today, making it impossible to even measure things accurately. Even if the next generations want to measure such things! They are much more likely to regard them completely differently to the way you seem to and just accept that change is, has always been and always will be, part of life.

I am 82 and already much more accepting than you. My children are in their 60s and 50s and totally laid back, my grandchildren even more so. They are the normal ones.

No one denies that there are sections of our younger people for whom the speed of change has resulted in significant problems which need to be addressed, not only because they are unfair but also because they are responsible for some social unrest.

Your obsession with the proportion of “white” people in our country is unhealthy. It’s nothing like as important as you seem to think it is.

 

[Stirlingsays]

By whom?

David Coleman, Professor of Demography at Oxford University. In work around 2010–2013 (building on his 2010 paper in Population and Development Review), he projected that White British people would become a minority in the UK around 2066....Some have it lower now due to the unexpected increase in the rate of mass immigration since then.

Your obsession with the proportion of “white” people in our country is unhealthy. It’s nothing like as important as you seem to think it is.

You don't get to decide for others what matters.

We have seen what's happened to white South Africans, we don't want that for our children.

We know the difference between what you say, because we have seen what you chose to do.

Moving to one of the highest white ethnic parts of the country in Cornwall.

 

[Spindle]

You're accepting because you are a sap of a man, weak as piss, and thanks to your ilk we are suffering and are projected to be wiped out.

You fiddled while Rome burned, you LOVE immigration because it has hiked up the property prices that you have gorged yourself on. You're a TRAITOR.

 

[Jordan555x]

Must be a lot safer now then as I lived there for years and didn’t have one single bit of trouble.

I actually believe you are a liar. Nobody who has ever been to Brixton has ever said it was safe, it is the very opposite of safe. The crime statistics tell us this. https://crystalroof.co.uk/report/postcode/SW98PB/crime

Before you start doing the usual and questioning the validity of the website. Crystal roof pulls statistics from official public policing records.

Brixton scores an absurd 9/10 on the crime ratings. By comparison Bromley scores a 4/10.

https://crystalroof.co.uk/report/lad/bromley/crime

Stop lying to yourself, it is not safe and it hasn't been for decades.

 

[Jordan555x]

David Coleman, Professor of Demography at Oxford University. In work around 2010–2013 (building on his 2010 paper in Population and Development Review), he projected that White British people would become a minority in the UK around 2066....Some have it lower now due to the unexpected increase in the rate of mass immigration since then.



You don't get to decide for others what matters.

We have seen what's happened to white South Africans, we don't want that for our children.

We know the difference between what you say, because we have seen what you chose to do.

Moving to one of the highest white ethnic parts of the country in Cornwall.

He does not practice what he preaches. Pretty much almost universal with politicians on the left. They and Wisbech Eagle have made conscious decisions to move to majority white neighbourhoods, they would've been completely aware of this fact. And don't insult everyone's intelligence and say you didn't check the crime statistics of the neighbourhood you are moving into before you purchased a property there, because EVERYONE does that.

 

[georgenorman]

Totally untrue and is only evidence of a bias and prejudice beyond reason.

Take a look at what they do, how and why and judge it on its merits. Not on your own political viewpoint and immediate response to criticism.

They want to heal division, spread tolerance and respect for others. Not just with the far right but with everyone and all communities. They don’t hate the far right as people. They fight their politics because it is based on hatred. Their approach is based on love, not hatred.

Do we all get a free Coke?

 

[Spiderman]

Totally untrue and is only evidence of a bias and prejudice beyond reason.

Take a look at what they do, how and why and judge it on its merits. Not on your own political viewpoint and immediate response to criticism.

They want to heal division, spread tolerance and respect for others. Not just with the far right but with everyone and all communities. They don’t hate the far right as people. They fight their politics because it is based on hatred. Their approach is based on love, not hatred.

What about the hatred of the far left?

 

[Stirlingsays]

What about the hatred of the far left?

You'll hear about that when they come for his bank account.

 

[georgenorman]

What about the hatred of the far left?

As some warn victory, some downfall
Private reasons great or small
Can be seen in the eyes of those that call
To make all that should be killed to crawl
While others say don't hate nothing at all
Except hatred.
[It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding, Bob Dylan, 1964]

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

David Coleman, Professor of Demography at Oxford University. In work around 2010–2013 (building on his 2010 paper in Population and Development Review), he projected that White British people would become a minority in the UK around 2066....Some have it lower now due to the unexpected increase in the rate of mass immigration since then.

That was 16 years ago using strictly mathematical assumptions to reach his conclusions. Conclusions that are not shared by others who acknowledge the variables and that changes are inevitable, which will alter perceptions. To spread this as though it is factual is a disservice to future generations. You are seeking to impose your standards and expectations on them. I want them to determine their own.

You don't get to decide for others what matters.

We have seen what's happened to white South Africans, we don't want that for our children.

We know the difference between what you say, because we have seen what you chose to do.

Moving to one of the highest white ethnic parts of the country in Cornwall.

I am not deciding anything. You are though! Or trying to.

To use “white” South Africans” as an example is beyond pathetic. Every single one of them has a heritage which leads, in a relatively small number of steps, to an immigrant. If you want their rights protected, why not those of the immigrants to the UK? The only answer that seems possible is their skin colour!

You have no right to determine what “we” want! We elect politicians to determine what we need. Rightly taking no heed of what certain groups want. I don’t share your “want”!

I have no idea when the last time you were here in Cornwall but using the empirical evidence of my own eyes it’s very obvious that it’s rapidly becoming significantly more diverse.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

What about the hatred of the far left?

They hate all kinds of extremism!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You'll hear about that when they come for his bank account.

In case you missed it I have said here on many occasions that people in my position must expect higher taxation in the future.

No one welcomes paying more tax but I accept it’s justified and necessary.

The same applies to many others. If we are going to meet our defence needs then rapid, and extremely expensive, changes are required.

Getting everyone who can become economically involved to be so is essential, using both incentives and disincentives. Ensuring those who cannot be can all live comfortably is as important whilst those who live very well must expect to contribute more.

 

[Stirlingsays]

In case you missed it I have said here on many occasions that people in my position must expect higher taxation in the future.

No one welcomes paying more tax but I accept it’s justified and necessary.

The same applies to many others. If we are going to meet our defence needs then rapid, and extremely expensive, changes are required.

Getting everyone who can become economically involved to be so is essential, using both incentives and disincentives. Ensuring those who cannot be can all live comfortably is as important whilst those who live very well must expect to contribute more.

You don't fool me.

Your type always seek to pay as little as possible.

As you so often talk about people being economically involved that's cool. How about you take yourself off to that Mosque you spoke about previously on here and tell the Muslim men there that their wives need to be out to work. As compared to most demographics they have a high level of benefit dependents.

Report back on how well your message was received.

 

[Stirlingsays]

That was 16 years ago using strictly mathematical assumptions to reach his conclusions. Conclusions that are not shared by others who acknowledge the variables and that changes are inevitable, which will alter perceptions. To spread this as though it is factual is a disservice to future generations. You are seeking to impose your standards and expectations on them. I want them to determine their own.

Who said he was wrong?

I am not deciding anything. You are though! Or trying to.

To use “white” South Africans” as an example is beyond pathetic. Every single one of them has a heritage which leads, in a relatively small number of steps, to an immigrant. If you want their rights protected, why not those of the immigrants to the UK? The only answer that seems possible is their skin colour!

White South Africans have been native to that area longer than the western African tribes that took power in South Africa after killing the previous tribe.

So as usual you're talking nonsense.

Foreign immigrants to the UK shouldn't be here unless they are required and want to come as guest workers. Once that time is expired they can leave. This is not their land.

Many of them come from countries that would have the same attitude.

You have no right to determine what “we” want! We elect politicians to determine what we need. Rightly taking no heed of what certain groups want. I don’t share your “want”!

Pointless statement as you aren't shy of telling people what you want.
The fact that I don't share in your evil is a pointless comment.

I have no idea when the last time you were here in Cornwall but using the empirical evidence of my own eyes it’s very obvious that it’s rapidly becoming significantly more diverse.

Interesting.

 

[georgenorman]

They hate all kinds of extremism!

Oh yeah, their website is packed full of attacks on the far-left and islamic extremists.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

We have seen what's happened to white South Africans, we don't want that for our children.

what ? are you talking about the 'future tense' ? that sounds a bit optimistic to me.

White working‑class boys still at the bottom of the class, says race report chief - The Centre for Social Justice

White working‑class boys are stuck at the bottom of the class, a new analysis warns, published to mark the fifth anniversary of the Sewell Commission on Race

www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk

 

[georgenorman]

In case you missed it I have said here on many occasions that people in my position must expect higher taxation in the future.

No one welcomes paying more tax but I accept it’s justified and necessary.

The same applies to many others. If we are going to meet our defence needs then rapid, and extremely expensive, changes are required.

Getting everyone who can become economically involved to be so is essential, using both incentives and disincentives. Ensuring those who cannot be can all live comfortably is as important whilst those who live very well must expect to contribute more.

Giving more tax to governments is like giving more whisky to an alcoholic.