Reform

[DanH]

There are several ways in which I think a right wing government would have benefited the country, and will do if we have one from now. The key ideas are a smaller state sector, emphasis on ambition and aspiration, a greater expectation for people to look after themselves, and a value placed on British heritage and tradition. Before anyone tries to claim it, this does not mean “everyone for him / herself”, it just means that we reverse the culture of people expecting to be looked after by the state instead of the state being a back-stop if they run into difficulty, and the associated growth of the cult of victimhood which has taken over our society.

I could write 10,000 words on it but won’t do so here. What I will immediately highlight is that we are in this situation for several key reasons.

Firstly the government (correctly in my view) paid vast fortunes to support the country through Covid. There is a massive price to pay, and we appear to have forgotten this.

Secondly we are massively over-generous with our welfare spending. Many elements of normal life have been medicalised and deemed worthy of financial support from the tax-payer, and on top of that we have increasingly sought to divorce people from having to deal with the impact of their own decisions (scrapping the 2 child cap on child benefit is a classic example, if you want more than 2 children make sure that you can pay for them yourself).

Thirdly we are not allowed to address public sector inefficiency. Public sector workers need to face the same requirement for productivity as their private sector counterparts, who won’t retain their jobs if they are not sensibly productive. This discipline is absent from the public sector.

Fourthly we have made profit a dirty, immoral concept, when it must be clear to any economist that capitalist societies are vastly wealthier than leftist ones. We need to create conditions which encourage enterprise and entrepreneurship. Strong economic growth will restore the government's finances far more effectively than anything else. The current government simply doesn't understand this.

Fifthly we have failed to deal with excessive and inappropriate immigration. Some immigration is beneficial, but it must be aimed at people who wish to come and work hard to get on, and whose values are aligned to fundamental British values, such as freedom, democracy and tolerance. Instead we have not only a large number of illegal immigrants claiming asylum, but also a substantial number whose attitudes and behaviours are divisive and / or are a burden on the country financially.

I don’t speak for all right-wingers, and I qualify these remarks by saying that we must ensure that prosperity is sensibly spread, that government involvement in essential services such as water is sensible, and that for the time being the money saved on welfare and efficiency needs to be refocused on health, education and security, not used for tax cuts.

This is a very good post. Far too nuanced for on here ☺️.

For someone labelled far left on here I agree with basically all of it.

 

[Living In Hope]

This is a very good post. Far too nuanced for on here ☺️.

For someone labelled far left on here I agree with basically all of it.

Thanks Dan - I remember the days when me and my mates really enjoyed disagreeing (and hopefully finding some common ground) about our political views over a pint or two. Somehow things have become toxic. For what it's worth I enjoy your contributions on here, even though I tend to see things through a different lens.

 

[DanH]

Thanks Dan - I remember the days when me and my mates really enjoyed disagreeing (and hopefully finding some common ground) about our political views over a pint or two. Somehow things have become toxic. For what it's worth I enjoy your contributions on here, even though I tend to see things through a different lens.

I don’t think our lenses are all that different - I’m a pragmatist and realist (or at least like to think) rather than wedded to any political ideals.

Nearly everything you said in that post I agree with and I don’t see much of it as ‘right wing’ as such - just sensible.

Also, reality is having a few pints with your mates and disagreeing over a few things, and then realising you have much more in common than you do differences!

 

[Stirlingsays]

See the police have said no charges against Polanski! Excellent. I have zero love for Farage or Reform but decisions like this (which are actually probably the correct one) send 10,000's of people further right and believing that the system actively hates them.

A definite win.

Everyone objective sees it as two tier.

Polanski is a far left leader and he's been allowed to get away with this (a decision I agree with in normal times).

However, if this had been a far right leader or say Tommy Robinson, does anyone seriously believe that the Police would have come out with the same response.

Two tier to the core.

 

[georgenorman]

I don’t think our lenses are all that different - I’m a pragmatist and realist (or at least like to think) rather than wedded to any political ideals.

Nearly everything you said in that post I agree with and I don’t see much of it as ‘right wing’ as such - just sensible.

Also, reality is having a few pints with your mates and disagreeing over a few things, and then realising you have much more in common than you do differences!

Your first paragraph is very Wisbechian.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I don’t think our lenses are all that different - I’m a pragmatist and realist (or at least like to think) rather than wedded to any political ideals.

Nearly everything you said in that post I agree with and I don’t see much of it as ‘right wing’ as such - just sensible.

Also, reality is having a few pints with your mates and disagreeing over a few things, and then realising you have much more in common than you do differences!

Not in my book lad.

I've seen what you support.

 

[DanH]

Your first paragraph is very Wisbechian.

Wisbech really does need to start charging you. He can’t stay rent free in your head for much longer, George.

 

[DanH]

Not in my book lad.

I've seen what you support.

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You carry on with your meaningless culture wars poppet 😘

 

[georgenorman]

Wisbech really does need to start charging you. He can’t stay rent free in your head for much longer, George.

You'll be telling us that you are a One Nation Tory next!

 

[Stirlingsays]

You carry on with your meaningless culture wars poppet 😘

The guy who has literally spent years defending retarded progressivism on this forum thinks culture wars are 'meaningless'.

When the left literally spent decades doing exactly that.

You just don't like losing.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

You carry on with your meaningless culture wars poppet 😘

The only culture war is the assault on British culture by foreign invaders and their imbecilic leftist apologists.

You lost the argument long ago. All the left have now are dirty tricks and a pair of eyelashes.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Here's Shoeonhead talking about the culture war that progressives and 'woke' progressives unleashed (after selling out to Wall Street) and that the Danster has spent years defending on here against us 'bullies'.

 

[DanH]

The only culture war is the assault on British culture by foreign invaders and their imbecilic leftist apologists.

You lost the argument long ago. All the left have now are dirty tricks and a pair of eyelashes.

Have another lovely weekend in this hellhole, Hrolf 😘

 

[Spindle]

Those who continue to conflate what Connelly did with what Polanski did are deluded. Her’s was incitement. His was a mistake.

^^^You talking

 

[Spindle]

Very quick defensive mechanism there son.

Bullies are always the ones that hit out when cornered. Feel like they’re the victims when they’re the aggressors. It’s all standard 101 psychology.

Yes, and we see it every time you get your stupid viewpoint refuted - you lash out with the insults.

The woke liberal mind virus doesn't allow actual ratification of the suicidal ideology.

 

[Spindle]

Not in my book lad.

I've seen what you support.

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Christ look at them. Totally embarrassing, anything to stay on their gravy train

 

[Attilio1905]

The Reform juggernaut seems to have stalled, perhaps time for a new person in charge?

For me it's the following:
- appeasement of political Islam and conceding that it cannot be defeated in Uk politics
- admission of so many Tories who got us here in the first place
- performance in won councils and quality of candidates/members
- treatment and continued feud with Rupert lowe
- the lingering links with foreign agitators and benefactors

The appetite for change is clearly there but I don't think reform can kick on with Nigel at the helm. Time for him to pass the reigns to someone else?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Have another lovely weekend in this hellhole, Hrolf 😘

If you want to see what the left would do to this country if they could, look at Spain right now.

Absolutely no concern for their own people. They are complicit in the downfall of Europe and people like you are cheering them on.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

The Reform juggernaut seems to have stalled, perhaps time for a new person in charge?

For me it's the following:
- appeasement of political Islam and conceding that it cannot be defeated in Uk politics
- admission of so many Tories who got us here in the first place
- performance in won councils and quality of candidates/members
- treatment and continued feud with Rupert lowe
- the lingering links with foreign agitators and benefactors

The appetite for change is clearly there but I don't think reform can kick on with Nigel at the helm. Time for him to pass the reigns to someone else?

Completely wrong.

 

[Attilio1905]

Completely wrong.

How so?