Reform

[CPFCSaturn]

Political knee-jerk to show "something is being done".

Same as always.

Or opportunistically pushing through legislation while the 'targets' are unpopular.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Again, were not these groups causing criminal damage and costs, blocking roads and in some cases attacking people? That's not protesting....that's always been illegal as it should be......I remember the throwing paint stuff, put those people in jail, damaging planes and so on.

Now, I would question why we need new laws to deal with that.....I would want to know the reasoning behind these new laws.......I really would, so you might have a point there. I'm not aware of what is in these new laws.

You can take it from me, I most certainly object to attacks against peaceful protest, whatever the politics as that should be a protected part of the British legal tradition.

The criminal damage is irrelevant to my point - I'm not saying environmental protesters shouldn't have been prosecuted where they broke the laws as they existed.

I've cited the specific legislations of concern that were introduced as a result of the protests - that you're not really aware of them kind of speaks to the problem.

It's precisely those same legislations which drastically expanded police powers over protest and public order, which we've then seen play out at a range of protests and demonstrations since.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

My interpretation is that it is an image showing someone "getting the chop". An expression that goes back generations meaning to lose your job, not your head.

But wearing it and endorsing it so soon after the murder is just plain stupid as well as a whole raft of other things.

Remove post, apologise, don't do it again.

One thing is certain. The Greens are just as inept as Reform.

You never stop talking bollocks. Great stamina.

Any ambiguity is irrelevant in these circumstances. A woman has just been murdered by a lefty loon.

Are you paying attention?

 

[cryrst]

Not as poorly judged as you are claiming. In what world does someone think about losing their job if they see a guillotine. If it was a gun would you think he was "getting fired"? We weren't born yesterday, "dog ate my homework" level of lying.

My cat did actually chew my homework back in the day. Mr Barlow wasn’t impressed 🤣

 

[cryrst]

Because if your whole pitch is 'we're the sensible ones', you kind of have to demonstrate that for it to be believable. If your argument is that the left have normalised hyperbole, the answer obviously isn't to adopt the same standards when it suits you.

If you claim to be different, people will judge you by whether you behave differently.

So you’re saying it takes a bigger man to walk away from a fight.
Suits in this case as your statement is a very clever no lose one. Maybe next time a judge sends down a nan for a tweet you will protest that he didn’t look at the bigger picture and see it for what it was. A stupid few lines on the internet

 

[Stirlingsays]

So you’re saying it takes a bigger man to walk away from a fight.
Suits in this case as your statement is a very clever no lose one. Maybe next time a judge sends down a nan for a tweet you will protest that he didn’t look at the bigger picture and see it for what it was. A stupid few lines on the internet

The right has been attacked for its speech, while the left has been given a free pass....unless it actually attacks the establishment because it isn't left wing enough for their liking.

Free speech laws now have no protections, laws were changed during woke and haven't been removed....Speech is essentially interpreted however the state or institution wants to interpret it......It has lost its protected principle under the left and indeed the Tories....which is an embarrassment to what the Tories once were.

Unless Reform or Restore or whoever wins negotiates sensible principles back the right should play the left under their own rules once they take power.

Social Conservatives kept these principles....we believed in them, we employed the left in institutions only to find that once in charge the left wouldn't employ the right. What's the point in playing fair when the opposition won't.

We weren't the ones sacking people and arresting people for mean comments. All that has happened is that we have had our people sacked and replaced out of the institutions and the left protect themselves.

The left are never satisfied and thus reaction is inevitable.

 

[Matov]

Really?

A guillotine.....the quote 'making plans for Nigel'.

Lose your job?

Really? You're going with that?

I can only advise you to not buy any bridges offered to you.

This. The guillotine, and its association with the French Revolution, is perhaps the most politically significant method of execution, on a multiple of levels.

Now personally, I am not convinced there is a crime here, even if it was the otherway around, the usual suspects would be screaming out for a prison sentence.

But to try and proclaim it as just being about losing a job.....pathetic.

 

[Stirlingsays]

This. The guillotine, and its association with the French Revolution, is perhaps the most politically significant method of execution, on a multiple of levels.

Now personally, I am not convinced there is a crime here, even if it was the otherway around, the usual suspects would be screaming out for a prison sentence.

But to try and proclaim it as just being about losing a job.....pathetic.

I don't buy the 'losing a job' angle.

But I can buy the dimwit who is so stuck in their own bubble that they don't realise how inappropriate wearing that is....but he wasn't as dim as whoever stuck it onto Polanski's page.

 

[Eagle One]

My cat did actually chew my homework back in the day. Mr Barlow wasn’t impressed 🤣

I think we might have gone to the same school...

 

[cryrst]

I think we might have gone to the same school...

Ashburton 👍

 

[Spindle]

'its fine when we do it because the other side is worse' is not an argument for grown ups - you're just projecting tribal bullshit and declining to even try and maintain principles.

And as I've said, that is precisely the mindset that has allowed increasingly broad restrictions on speech and protest.

There is absolutely no doubts in my mind that you would argue on their behalf no matter what. In this case distancing yourself and literally using the argument you just described, only without noticing it.

 

[Spindle]

The Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 and the Public Order Act 2023, both of which were introduced largely in response to disruption by groups like Just Stop Oil and Insulate Britain - I don't remember too many on the right objecting. Quite the opposite.

What I'm suggesting is clearly true - Spindle has literally just made the argument 'it's fine when we do it, but not the left'. We're watching it happen in real time while you tell me it's not true because of the communist Party of Great Britain.

Your take on that is perverted. I said it's more dangerous on the left because you have so many mentally unstable idealistic morons as supporters, many of them see a need to pierce themselves in their own faces. The left created this expansion of snitching as a method of getting what they want, the trouble is they think they are immune to their own creation. Reform are simply showing them what equality is, and are calling out the cops on that two tierness.

 

[Spindle]

So you’re saying it takes a bigger man to walk away from a fight.
Suits in this case as your statement is a very clever no lose one. Maybe next time a judge sends down a nan for a tweet you will protest that he didn’t look at the bigger picture and see it for what it was. A stupid few lines on the internet

Pretty sure he kicked off when harmless granny held up a Palestine Action support placard and got arrested.

"She's 82, EIGHTY TWO!!!!!!"

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The right has been attacked for its speech, while the left has been given a free pass....unless it actually attacks the establishment because it isn't left wing enough for their liking.

Free speech laws now have no protections, laws were changed during woke and haven't been removed....Speech is essentially interpreted however the state or institution wants to interpret it......It has lost its protected principle under the left and indeed the Tories....which is an embarrassment to what the Tories once were.

Unless Reform or Restore or whoever wins negotiates sensible principles back the right should play the left under their own rules once they take power.

Social Conservatives kept these principles....we believed in them, we employed the left in institutions only to find that once in charge the left wouldn't employ the right. What's the point in playing fair when the opposition won't.

We weren't the ones sacking people and arresting people for mean comments. All that has happened is that we have had our people sacked and replaced out of the institutions and the left protect themselves.

The left are never satisfied and thus reaction is inevitable.

You frequently talk a load of nonsense but this lot surpasses most.

Nobody has “attacked” anyone else. Speech today is as free as it ever has been. What’s changed is the hard right positioning themselves as victims alongside some legal clarifications of what is acceptable and what not.

An unrestricted right to say, or do, whatever you like has not existed since the origins of society living. Once that existed, so did laws which required compromises and the suppression of personal beliefs in favour of those of either the majority, or a ruling class.

A Reform government wouldn’t change that in any way. They would simply change the group who saw themselves as victims.

Nobody has been, or ever would be, punished for “mean comments”! That some think they are is clear evidence of the victim culture. People get punished for actions, not thoughts. If a comment has the potential to directly, or indirectly, cause harm to others then it stops just being a thought and becomes an action.

This has nothing at all to do with the “left”. Something you regard as a big bad bogeyman behind everything you dislike but, in truth, hardly exist in any meaningful sense in the reality of today’s politics. It only has to do with common sense progressive politics. Us gradually learning and adjusting. Your prejudices though will not allow you to accept that as the truth.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Pretty sure he kicked off when harmless granny held up a Palestine Action support placard and got arrested.

"She's 82, EIGHTY TWO!!!!!!"

So was I, yesterday!

I haven’t noticed too many cutting me any slack as a consequence and would be highly offended if they did.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

You frequently talk a load of nonsense but this lot surpasses most.

Nobody has “attacked” anyone else. Speech today is as free as it ever has been. What’s changed is the hard right positioning themselves as victims alongside some legal clarifications of what is acceptable and what not.

An unrestricted right to say, or do, whatever you like has not existed since the origins of society living. Once that existed, so did laws which required compromises and the suppression of personal beliefs in favour of those of either the majority, or a ruling class.

A Reform government wouldn’t change that in any way. They would simply change the group who saw themselves as victims.

Nobody has been, or ever would be, punished for “mean comments”! That some think they are is clear evidence of the victim culture. People get punished for actions, not thoughts. If a comment has the potential to directly, or indirectly, cause harm to others then it stops just being a thought and becomes an action.

This has nothing at all to do with the “left”. Something you regard as a big bad bogeyman behind everything you dislike but, in truth, hardly exist in any meaningful sense in the reality of today’s politics. It only has to do with common sense progressive politics. Us gradually learning and adjusting. Your prejudices though will not allow you to accept that as the truth.

Nobody?

Daily Mail investigation exposes number of people arrested for ‘offensive’ social media posts

A Daily Mail investigation has revealed an alarming rise in the number of arrests carried out by police forces across the country for “offensive” social

freespeechunion.org

 

[Stirlingsays]

You frequently talk a load of nonsense but this lot surpasses most.

Nobody has “attacked” anyone else. Speech today is as free as it ever has been. What’s changed is the hard right positioning themselves as victims alongside some legal clarifications of what is acceptable and what not.

An unrestricted right to say, or do, whatever you like has not existed since the origins of society living. Once that existed, so did laws which required compromises and the suppression of personal beliefs in favour of those of either the majority, or a ruling class.

A Reform government wouldn’t change that in any way. They would simply change the group who saw themselves as victims.

Nobody has been, or ever would be, punished for “mean comments”! That some think they are is clear evidence of the victim culture. People get punished for actions, not thoughts. If a comment has the potential to directly, or indirectly, cause harm to others then it stops just being a thought and becomes an action.

This has nothing at all to do with the “left”. Something you regard as a big bad bogeyman behind everything you dislike but, in truth, hardly exist in any meaningful sense in the reality of today’s politics. It only has to do with common sense progressive politics. Us gradually learning and adjusting. Your prejudices though will not allow you to accept that as the truth.

You are a pathological liar.

Laws have literally been introduced to restrict speech, first starting in the 60s, but mostly Blair led, meaning that speech that was once legal is now illegal.....As I stated, mostly under the left but due to the Tories going woke, under them as well.

Any right wing worth the name would have removed these laws from the books the moment they took power.

You are so full of absolute drivel that if they somehow managed to drain it from you there would only be a puddle left.

 

[Spindle]

He pollutes with more s*** than Thames Water

 

[HKOwen]

So was I, yesterday!

I haven’t noticed too many cutting me any slack as a consequence and would be highly offended if they did.

Why should anyone care what your age is.?

Next time one of your HOL carers jumps to your defence on grounds of health or age tell them how offended you are.

 

[HKOwen]

I think we might have gone to the same school...

Where you started studying for your medical degree that qualifies you to judge the mental state of people you have only read about in the news.............