Reform

[silvertop]

I doubt it was anything like the invective that Farage is receiving.

I'm not referring to you but the usual hate brigade is out.

No, but you cant help feeling that at least some of it is his fault.

Taking the money I put down more to innocence and/or incompetence (not healthy traits for a statesman).

However, it is his arrogant "nothing to see here" attitude that is losing him support.

There are ways this can be effectively handled, but this guy appears to be sharing the same PR company as Gregg Wallace.

 

[Stirlingsays]

No, but you cant help feeling that at least some of it is his fault.

Taking the money I put down more to innocence and/or incompetence (not healthy traits for a statesman).

However, it is his arrogant "nothing to see here" attitude that is losing him support.

There are ways this can be effectively handled, but this guy appears to be sharing the same PR company as Gregg Wallace.

Much to do about nothing.

If he wasn't a threat to the establishment no one would even know.

I want the left out....Why should I care about what a corrupt parliament think?

 

[hackney-viking-eagle]

Were these same people making this fuss when the Makerfield by-election was called with the Labour MP stepping down....for the sole purpose of giving Burham the chance for a seat so that he can become Labour leader?

I suspect the vast majority of them didn't even think about it.

But when it's Farage they just echo whatever lefty talking point they hear.

Yeah the obvious difference though is that in Makerfield there was a new MP voted in, and it was a competitive and highly contested election. In Clacton it would be voting in the same MP, with no competition, resulting in absolutely no change. (Unless Binface rides to the rescue, which would be comedy gold and the funniest way to see Farage go). Not that I care much about the cost of the by-election tbh. It's just pretty clearly not the same as Makerfield if you think about it for a few seconds.....

 

[hackney-viking-eagle]

Still blows my mind that so many people believe Farages bullsh*t. He's so obviously a posh c*nt public school grifter who only really gives a s*** about himself and his upper class billionaire mates. He's about as anti-establishment as Trump and would use public office to line his own pockets in much the same way.
Man of the People, my ar*e.... more like Man of the PayPal

 

[silvertop]

Much to do about nothing.

If he wasn't a threat to the establishment no one would even know.

I want the left out....Why should I care about what a corrupt parliament think?

But what if the replacement arrives itself pre-corrupt?

I don't see him as such a threat. The "establishment" (if such a cohesive creature exists?) has already clipped his wings on extravagant spending pledges. Its MO has traditionally been one of accept, adapt and profit. It won't construct any obstacle to Reform so long as it can control it.

However, if you are referring to the established parties and media outlets loyal to them, they are indeed sh1tting themselves. Any organisation that enjoyed generations of wealth and power will fight tooth and nail to preserve its hegemony.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Yeah the obvious difference though is that in Makerfield there was a new MP voted in, and it was a competitive and highly contested election. In Clacton it would be voting in the same MP, with no competition, resulting in absolutely no change. (Unless Binface rides to the rescue, which would be comedy gold and the funniest way to see Farage go). Not that I care much about the cost of the by-election tbh. It's just pretty clearly not the same as Makerfield if you think about it for a few seconds.....

But the obvious connection to criticisms is that it wasn't a neccessary by-election in Makerfield. It was costing the public purse money for something that the Labour party wanted.

All the criticisms directed at Farage for the by-election are no different to Makerfield. It being a new candidate wasn't asked for so I don't really see that being anything significant..
As for no major party opposition to Farage that's the choice made by these parties.....If people in Clacton don't want Farage they can vote Binface.

If Farage had a small margin in Clacton all of these parties would be falling over themselves to unseat him.....So they are making a political stance rather than a democratic one.

Both of these by-elections are political choices....and my point is that those who criticise Farage now but didn't criticise the Makerfield farce are just politically one eyed.

Not the worst crime but something I decided to point out.

 

[Eagle One]

Sure. That's why he engineered Brexit.

Is Elon Musk establishment? What about Trump?

These people are the enemy of my enemy. Our enemy.

Nigel Farage is a privately educated ex-stock trader who banks at Couts. Sounds like an establishment Tory to me. Just because he was the poster boy for Brexit doesn't mean he's anti-establishment. Out of interest who do you think is establishment if it isn't Nigel?

IMO he's a shameless grifter who was barely ever seen in Parliament (check out his voting and appearances record compared to say Rupert Lowe or Robert Jenrick - no fan of either but they work bloody hard). He's virtually invisible in Clacton because of his various other money making opportunities. He gets a whiff of a money making invite in America or a bit of a pro-Trumping opportunity and he's there quicker than you can say USA, again all taking greater importance that the job he was actually elected for.

It will be bloody hilarious to see him sat alone beside Count Binface in the by election.

Yes. I agree Farage is a great debater and can relate to people but really don't believe he's on the side of the GB public. His track record shows he's in it for himself.

And to put it you in another way, if someone on the Labour front bench or Kemi Badenoch had received £5m just before becoming an MP and didn't declare it and received monetary or favours in kind would you have the same view? I would regardless of the party. Angela Raynor got torn a new one over the second home tax issue, even by Nigel who potentially did exactly the same on his second (or maybe fifth) home in Clacton.

Just what level of dodginess would lead to you changing your view of Farage or at least starting to think there are questions to answer?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Nigel Farage is a privately educated ex-stock trader who banks at Couts. Sounds like an establishment Tory to me. Just because he was the poster boy for Brexit doesn't mean he's anti-establishment. Out of interest who do you think is establishment if it isn't Nigel?

So who in your mind qualifies as anti establishment?

In your mind if someone has an establishment background, then they can never actually be described as 'anti establishment' even if their policies are aggressively opposed by the actual establishment.

I'm not opposed to thinking in class identities up to a point but I think it can be overdone like everything else.

No I think this point needs pushback.

I grant you that Farage comes from the establishment, but so did Corbyn.

I think you can have an establishment background and end up opposing what the vast majority of the establishment want. It's rare but it happens.

I think saying that can't be called 'anti establishment'

IMO he's a shameless grifter who was barely ever seen in Parliament (check out his voting and appearances record compared to say Rupert Lowe or Robert Jenrick - no fan of either but they work bloody hard). He's virtually invisible in Clacton because of his various other money making opportunities. He gets a whiff of a money making invite in America or a bit of a pro-Trumping opportunity and he's there quicker than you can say USA, again all taking greater importance that the job he was actually elected for.

Are there no Labour MPs with similar records on voting?
Who are you to decide what qualifies as an acceptable MP or how much money an MP can make outside of that actual job.

This country needs people who can make money.....Pretty much the entire Labour government haven't run a business......I think the country is served better by people who have been successful out in the real world.

It will be bloody hilarious to see him sat alone beside Count Binface in the by election.

Yep.....Should have happened to Burnham.

Yes. I agree Farage is a great debater and can relate to people but really don't believe he's on the side of the GB public. His track record shows he's in it for himself.

As opposed to....?

And to put it you in another way, if someone on the Labour front bench or Kemi Badenoch had received £5m just before becoming an MP and didn't declare it and received monetary or favours in kind would you have the same view? I would regardless of the party. Angela Raynor got torn a new one over the second home tax issue, even by Nigel who potentially did exactly the same on his second (or maybe fifth) home in Clacton.

Just what level of dodginess would lead to you changing your view of Farage or at least starting to think there are questions to answer?

We couldn't give a monkey's what money he makes before being an MP. I don't remember anyone on the left screaming about old ginger Angela, they kept very quiet.

We want the left out.....Farage is the best chance that the left get kicked out.

 

[Glazier#1]

If the other parties stand, he will win. If they don't, he will win.

This is about stealing the headlines away from those who wish to get him out of politics.

If only some of the seeming thick people who comment on this realised that this is about democracy. It is about standing up against the power of the establishment, who don't care a toss about the people of Britain as long as they are preserving their status.

You? Calling people thick?

Haha! Nice one!

 

[Glazier#1]

So what do you employ people for and what business exactly do you own.
The name of it unless you are a fibber !

What's it got to do with you?

Mind your own business, you twonk.

 

[Glazier#1]

Nigel Farage is a privately educated ex-stock trader who banks at Couts. Sounds like an establishment Tory to me. Just because he was the poster boy for Brexit doesn't mean he's anti-establishment. Out of interest who do you think is establishment if it isn't Nigel?

IMO he's a shameless grifter who was barely ever seen in Parliament (check out his voting and appearances record compared to say Rupert Lowe or Robert Jenrick - no fan of either but they work bloody hard). He's virtually invisible in Clacton because of his various other money making opportunities. He gets a whiff of a money making invite in America or a bit of a pro-Trumping opportunity and he's there quicker than you can say USA, again all taking greater importance that the job he was actually elected for.

It will be bloody hilarious to see him sat alone beside Count Binface in the by election.

Yes. I agree Farage is a great debater and can relate to people but really don't believe he's on the side of the GB public. His track record shows he's in it for himself.

And to put it you in another way, if someone on the Labour front bench or Kemi Badenoch had received £5m just before becoming an MP and didn't declare it and received monetary or favours in kind would you have the same view? I would regardless of the party. Angela Raynor got torn a new one over the second home tax issue, even by Nigel who potentially did exactly the same on his second (or maybe fifth) home in Clacton.

Just what level of dodginess would lead to you changing your view of Farage or at least starting to think there are questions to answer?

As Rolf the clever wrote: you want the enemy of your enemy, no matter what.

 

[Ouzo Dan]

Farage has galvanized everyone who hates him & even those who just want to troll into backing count bin face in the Clacton by-election.
If voting goes south this could honestly spell the end for Reform.

We then have bin face standing amongst the vipers, traitors & wasters who represent us, it's meme magic come to life.

 

[Ouzo Dan]

How is Farage ever going to get the numbers to win a General election after this circus?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Nigel Farage is a privately educated ex-stock trader who banks at Couts. Sounds like an establishment Tory to me. Just because he was the poster boy for Brexit doesn't mean he's anti-establishment. Out of interest who do you think is establishment if it isn't Nigel?

IMO he's a shameless grifter who was barely ever seen in Parliament (check out his voting and appearances record compared to say Rupert Lowe or Robert Jenrick - no fan of either but they work bloody hard). He's virtually invisible in Clacton because of his various other money making opportunities. He gets a whiff of a money making invite in America or a bit of a pro-Trumping opportunity and he's there quicker than you can say USA, again all taking greater importance that the job he was actually elected for.

It will be bloody hilarious to see him sat alone beside Count Binface in the by election.

Yes. I agree Farage is a great debater and can relate to people but really don't believe he's on the side of the GB public. His track record shows he's in it for himself.

And to put it you in another way, if someone on the Labour front bench or Kemi Badenoch had received £5m just before becoming an MP and didn't declare it and received monetary or favours in kind would you have the same view? I would regardless of the party. Angela Raynor got torn a new one over the second home tax issue, even by Nigel who potentially did exactly the same on his second (or maybe fifth) home in Clacton.

Just what level of dodginess would lead to you changing your view of Farage or at least starting to think there are questions to answer?

Who do you seriously expect the man might be who could change the perilous direction this country is heading in?

A bin man? A road sweeper?

You have to understand the system to change it. No one is better placed than someone who has experience of the system.
I couldn't care less if some of his rich mates lent him money and neither would anyone else if it wasn't for his opponents trying to destroy his reputation.

This is all so predictable, and it just amazes me how many useful idiots just lap this stuff up.

Did you wet your knickers when Starmer appointed Mandelson? What about Rayner and her alleged tax evasion? The list goes on and on for the Labour Party.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

How is Farage ever going to get the numbers to win a General election after this circus?

Ridiculous.

It will galvanise those who support him. It is as transparent a stitch up as it gets.

 

[Eagle One]

Who do you seriously expect the man might be who could change the perilous direction this country is heading in?

A bin man? A road sweeper?

You have to understand the system to change it. No one is better placed than someone who has experience of the system.
I couldn't care less if some of his rich mates lent him money and neither would anyone else if it wasn't for his opponents trying to destroy his reputation.

This is all so predictable, and it just amazes me how many useful idiots just lap this stuff up.

Did you wet your knickers when Starmer appointed Mandelson? What about Rayner and her alleged tax evasion? The list goes on and on for the Labour Party.

Not really answered the questions I put to you though. Would you care if it were £5m to Andy Burnham or Kemi Badenoch? Would you deny that Reform wouldn't make an issue out of it? Of course they would.

Is there any line that Farage would cross where you would not defend him?

If you couldn't care less about his rich mates lending him money then you should. That money would come with strings attached at some point in time.

As for your useful idiots comment, they come in all guises.

 

[cryrst]

Not really answered the questions I put to you though. Would you care if it were £5m to Andy Burnham or Kemi Badenoch? Would you deny that Reform wouldn't make an issue out of it? Of course they would.

Is there any line that Farage would cross where you would not defend him?

If you couldn't care less about his rich mates lending him money then you should. That money would come with strings attached at some point in time.

As for your useful idiots comment, they come in all guises.

My strings attached is have to do my job to get it. It’s a broad statement but literally what money doesn’t come with strings attached ?

 

[DanH]

My strings attached is have to do my job to get it. It’s a broad statement but literally what money doesn’t come with strings attached ?

Exactly. So why did Nige get the £5 million?

 

[DanH]

What's it got to do with you?

Mind your own business, you twonk.

I’ll divulge it on here if cryrst offers up his 16 digit card number, expiry date and CVC number first.

 

[HKOwen]

It’s just a cult at this point - Farage has taken swathes of the Trump playbook and it’s been hugely effective - everything is a fix, a stitch up, not fair.

Any criticism, no matter how reasonable or consistent, can be dismissed and ignored if you permanently present yourself as the victim of some ‘establishment’ attack.

It’s the most transparent crock of s***, but it seems to convince many.

Some would sat you are nearly a cult