Reform

Wisbech Eagle said:
Really? Even when it’s dodgy money coming from dodgy people involved in dodgy enterprises like crypto?

Do you seriously believe they would donate so much to try to make our lives better? Seems much more likely to me they expect payback by way of sympathetic regulation.

I really hope they are forced to return it and that parties, every one of them, are expected to survive on lots of individual supporters giving small sums.
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Yes really.

All politicians, governments and elites are corrupt and self serving.

But at least we'd have one that ostensibly supports the indigenous British people, promotes our culture and wants to tackle the existential threat of being colonized via mass non-European migration.

Who knows maybe Reform turn out to be as big as s*** bags as labour and the Tories. But at least Reform talk a good game, opposed to Labour who have dropped any hint of even pretending not to hold us in utter contempt and treat us with blatant hostility.

I couldn't give a monkeys were the cash comes from, hopefully more and more will roll in and keep that Reform juggernaut rolling to victory.
 
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Attilio1905 said:
Yes really.

All politicians, governments and elites are corrupt and self serving.

But at least we'd have one that ostensibly supports the indigenous British people, promotes our culture and wants to tackle the existential threat of being colonized via mass non-European migration.

Who knows maybe Reform turn out to be as big as s*** bags as labour and the Tories. But at least Reform talk a good game, opposed to Labour who have dropped any hint of even pretending not to hold us in utter contempt and treat us with blatant hostility.

I couldn't give a monkeys were the cash comes from, hopefully more and more will roll in and keep that Reform juggernaut rolling to victory.
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I respect your honesty but that's an incredible admission.

"I don't care who funds, and therefore controls, the people who will run my country".
 
CPFCSaturn said:
I respect your honesty but that's an incredible admission.

"I don't care who funds, and therefore controls, the people who will run my country".
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I care it's not Lord Ali or the Unions.

Luckily Labour would not sell influence



Eight companies that donated to the UK Labour Party were awarded government contracts worth nearly £138 million during the party's first year in government (spanning July 2024 to June 2025). A report by the think tank Autonomy Institute brought these figures to light, raising significant concerns from transparency advocates regarding the relationship between political donations and public spending. [1, 2, 3]

Key Findings of the Report
  • The "Donor-Contractor Nexus": The eight identified firms collectively donated more than £580,000 to the Labour Party before securing public sector contracts. [1, 2]
  • Long-Term Trend: Looking historically beyond the immediate post-election window, the think tank identified 25 Labour-linked companies that have won contracts totaling £796.43 million since 2001. [1, 2]
  • The Scale of Returns: Across political spectrums over the last 25 years, the report noted that for every £1 donated by a "giver and taker" company, they were subsequently awarded an average of £1,294 in public funds. [1, 2]

Prominent Examples Under Scrutiny
  • Public Digital: A fresh "cronyism" row erupted over a £5 million contract (rising to £10.2 million over a 12-month period) awarded to the tech firm Public Digital. While the firm had worked under previous Conservative administrations, its annual government funding quadrupled after Labour took office. Critics noted its ties to senior Labour officials, though the company strongly stated its contracts were won purely on merit and expertise. [1]
  • Strategic Suppliers: The analysis flagged major government partners like Microsoft and PwC, which have provided non-cash support or donations and received contracts under both Labour and Conservative governments. [1]

Responses to the Controversy


The disclosures have fueled intense scrutiny, particularly because Labour previously targeted the Conservatives for fast-tracking contracts to their own donors during the pandemic. [1]
  • The Government: A government spokesperson stated that all public contracts are awarded fairly, transparently, and in strict accordance with the Public Contracts Regulations 2015, undergoing rigorous scrutiny to ensure taxpayer value. [1]
  • Transparency Advocates: Figures from Spotlight on Corruption and Transparency International UK warned that these patterns damage public trust, creating a perception of "privileged access". They have called for a ban on awarding public contracts to firms that have made political donations within the last decade.
It's not a one party problem
 
HKOwen said:
I care it's not Lord Ali or the Unions.

Luckily Labour would not sell influence



Eight companies that donated to the UK Labour Party were awarded government contracts worth nearly £138 million during the party's first year in government (spanning July 2024 to June 2025). A report by the think tank Autonomy Institute brought these figures to light, raising significant concerns from transparency advocates regarding the relationship between political donations and public spending. [1, 2, 3]

Key Findings of the Report
  • The "Donor-Contractor Nexus": The eight identified firms collectively donated more than £580,000 to the Labour Party before securing public sector contracts. [1, 2]
  • Long-Term Trend: Looking historically beyond the immediate post-election window, the think tank identified 25 Labour-linked companies that have won contracts totaling £796.43 million since 2001. [1, 2]
  • The Scale of Returns: Across political spectrums over the last 25 years, the report noted that for every £1 donated by a "giver and taker" company, they were subsequently awarded an average of £1,294 in public funds. [1, 2]

Prominent Examples Under Scrutiny
  • Public Digital: A fresh "cronyism" row erupted over a £5 million contract (rising to £10.2 million over a 12-month period) awarded to the tech firm Public Digital. While the firm had worked under previous Conservative administrations, its annual government funding quadrupled after Labour took office. Critics noted its ties to senior Labour officials, though the company strongly stated its contracts were won purely on merit and expertise. [1]
  • Strategic Suppliers: The analysis flagged major government partners like Microsoft and PwC, which have provided non-cash support or donations and received contracts under both Labour and Conservative governments. [1]

Responses to the Controversy


The disclosures have fueled intense scrutiny, particularly because Labour previously targeted the Conservatives for fast-tracking contracts to their own donors during the pandemic. [1]
  • The Government: A government spokesperson stated that all public contracts are awarded fairly, transparently, and in strict accordance with the Public Contracts Regulations 2015, undergoing rigorous scrutiny to ensure taxpayer value. [1]
  • Transparency Advocates: Figures from Spotlight on Corruption and Transparency International UK warned that these patterns damage public trust, creating a perception of "privileged access". They have called for a ban on awarding public contracts to firms that have made political donations within the last decade.
It's not a one party problem
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Of course it's not a one-party problem.

But to express you don't at all care who funds our politicians is staggering.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Of course it's not a one-party problem.

But to express you don't at all care who funds our politicians is staggering.
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Laughable wriggling.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
Laughable wriggling.
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In what way is it “wriggling”?

Every post of yours on here seems to brainlessly dismiss all criticism as 'scaremongering', 'diversions' or 'attacks' whenever someone raises a criticism or concern of Reform. I get that you’ve given your unconditional support to a group who are, being extremely generous, a little dodgy, because they’ve told you they’ll get rid of the immigrants, but that doesn’t mean everyone with a slightly higher threshold for what they consider acceptable is criticising them for nefarious reasons.

Some people just don't buy the same s*** you do.

Sometimes people are simply pointing out things that deserve scrutiny.

Incredibly dull, as ever.
 
eaglesdare said:
Perhaps the simple solution is to have a low cap for donations for all parties?

Make it a level playing field?
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Believe it or not I have some sympathy with this.

I despise Reform for its Brexit / anti free movement of EU labour stance, for its cod nationalist populism and for its incompetent clownery. However, on this they have a point.

Singling out individual donations is painfully unfair and makes absolutely no sense (except in one sense - see below). Firstly, such individuals will just do the same donation via a corporate vehicle. Secondly, it is designed to cap the flow of cash to the smaller party (who rely disproportionately on individuals for funding). The two dominant parties get huge donations from corporations and the unions who will, of course, not be impacted by any new rules.

Secondly, seeking to make the regulations retrospective to capture these two donations drives a coach and horses through our constitution. A guy produced a parliamentary report on donations (too lazy to look up who and what). He said in interview this morning that it is appropriate to backdate to March when his report was produced. This masks the fact that his report would likely have died in the long grass but for this event. And his report was an opinion. It was not law. Thus, the donations were legal when they were made. To make it law that they were actually criminal sets a very dangerous precedent.

This proposed legislation serves only one purpose and that is to attack a political rival. That is wholly undemocratic and unconstitutional. If enacted, it should be struck out by the courts if possible.

Labour need to find any excuse to kick this can down the road on some technical ground as it may well backfire horribly.
 
Bearing in mind that the median age of a Reform voter is 60 (their youth supporters on here notwithstanding), Nigel and Co have got about just over a decade to harness that vote and win an election before their voter base is either dead or too senile to put an X on the ballot paper.

Their vote collapses in the under 50's, particularly with those who are educated to A' Level or above. They have a serious youth problem with an absence of youth policies, apart from 'protect our young women from foreign rapists'. That was given the lie by the stark photos and video of 2 young women protesters being physically attacked at their recent convention.

In terms of attractive (and I use the term guardedly) youth/young politicians they have...er...Darren Grimes (aka Crafty w***) and maybe a couple of other misfit bloggers. They are entirely a feelings/vibes party campaigning to the basest tribal instincts in mankind: a very powerful motivator I do not deny.

I am expecting Farage will soon get the Sturgeon/Murrell treatment with a big tent going up outside all of his various abodes and he will be nicked and bailed. He and party are obviuosly in deep trouble and 2 massive comfort donations to steady the ship are clear evidence his foreign backers know the writing is on the wall.

It's a cut-out party that will come up with some Trumpish bribe to voters - what about £5,000 quid - with this money that they have been donated. I bet they are furiously working on the policy now - free booze, fags and voltarol for the over-55's. I expect to see some ridiculous 'carrot' policy aim floated in the next few weeks. They take their voterbase for absolute chumps and treat with contempt.
 
Joseph Paxton said:
Bearing in mind that the median age of a Reform voter is 60 (their youth supporters on here notwithstanding), Nigel and Co have got about just over a decade to harness that vote and win an election before their voter base is either dead or too senile to put an X on the ballot paper.

Their vote collapses in the under 50's, particularly with those who are educated to A' Level or above. They have a serious youth problem with an absence of youth policies, apart from 'protect our young women from foreign rapists'. That was given the lie by the stark photos and video of 2 young women protesters being physically attacked at their recent convention.

In terms of attractive (and I use the term guardedly) youth/young politicians they have...er...Darren Grimes (aka Crafty w***) and maybe a couple of other misfit bloggers. They are entirely a feelings/vibes party campaigning to the basest tribal instincts in mankind: a very powerful motivator I do not deny.

I am expecting Farage will soon get the Sturgeon/Murrell treatment with a big tent going up outside all of his various abodes and he will be nicked and bailed. He and party are obviuosly in deep trouble and 2 massive comfort donations to steady the ship are clear evidence his foreign backers know the writing is on the wall.

It's a cut-out party that will come up with some Trumpish bribe to voters - what about £5,000 quid - with this money that they have been donated. I bet they are furiously working on the policy now - free booze, fags and voltarol for the over-55's. I expect to see some ridiculous 'carrot' policy aim floated in the next few weeks. They take their voterbase for absolute chumps and treat with contempt.
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Free booze and fags? Where do I sign?
 
And how soon to be proved exactly on the money about the Reform private police forces which i predicted last week? Should have had some money on it:

www.standard.co.uk

Reform UK council hires security guards in towns over 'fears about male migrants'

Local politician says Essex County Council’s move is ‘clearly driven by prejudice’
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk

A 'dystopian, left-wing sci-fi novel' as posters here described it? Unfortunately it is reportage.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Of course it's not a one-party problem.

But to express you don't at all care who funds our politicians is staggering.
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What was posted was support for Reform, which would put them on a more level financial playing. It was not a general statement of not caring where funds come from.

I care to the extent I don't want parties I disagree with to have any funding that helps them get votes.

You seem to be taking a similar position, Rayner is.

Staggering is your opinion, not a fact.

The left is only concerned now they see Reform properly funded as even more of a threat.

Hypocrisy of course but no one surprised.

Ironic when the left start going on about democracy under threat when they tried to have local elections cancelled.
 
HKOwen said:
What was posted was support for Reform, which would put them on a more level financial playing. It was not a general statement of not caring where funds come from.

I care to the extent I don't want parties I disagree with to have any funding that helps them get votes.

You seem to be taking a similar position, Rayner is.

Staggering is your opinion, not a fact.

The left is only concerned now they see Reform properly funded as even more of a threat.

Hypocrisy of course but no one surprised.

Ironic when the left start going on about democracy under threat when they tried to have local elections cancelled.
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"I couldn't give a monkeys were the cash comes from"
 
Attilio1905 said:
Yes really.

All politicians, governments and elites are corrupt and self serving.

But at least we'd have one that ostensibly supports the indigenous British people, promotes our culture and wants to tackle the existential threat of being colonized via mass non-European migration.

Who knows maybe Reform turn out to be as big as s*** bags as labour and the Tories. But at least Reform talk a good game, opposed to Labour who have dropped any hint of even pretending not to hold us in utter contempt and treat us with blatant hostility.

I couldn't give a monkeys were the cash comes from, hopefully more and more will roll in and keep that Reform juggernaut rolling to victory.
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If Labour stop this then Joe Public will start a major bankrolling of reform. Rules that can’t be changed. Hmg and other parties really treat us with utter contempt!
 
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