Rating the window

[Putitout]

If Parish had a reason to sell Guehi, he would be gone. Good business, bad business, only he can know what Guehi,s real value is to the club. A lot of players will not extend contracts until the last year, so that may be playing a part in the situation.
If no other first teamer leaves then it’s got every chance of being a good window.
With a couple more released, there is every chance a couple could come in, if only strong loans. With OG having everyone in early a couple of late signings will make no difference to his preparations, and that alone makes it a good window.

 

[MrRobbo]

You're not getting 70m for Guehi with 1 year left and there's no guarantee Diomande would hit the ground running.
You're talking about making a profit on a player, I'm just saying that 18m for 5 years of top quality service is brilliant business.
Ideally buying Diomande and giving him a year to get up to speed would be optimal.

No probably not, but IMO we need to entertain anything above £35/40m.

If not, this time next year we'll need to find the money to replace him.

18m for 5 years of top quality service is reasonable, but that plus at least recouping his fee is what we sould be looking for really.

 

[grumpymort]

No probably not, but IMO we need to entertain anything above £35/40m.

If not, this time next year we'll need to find the money to replace him.

18m for 5 years of top quality service is reasonable, but that plus at least recouping his fee is what we sould be looking for really.

If he wont sign a new extension which it looks like that is the case otherwise he would have done it last season.

Newcastle offered around 76m including addons and Spurs in Jan offered 60+ both those had been confirmed we just don't know if it was the club or player that was not interested.

If he walks for free that is terrible business.

Not sure why people keep repeating 18m with addons we paid Chelsea 26m and they had a clause of around 20% for sell on.

Remember this is a guy who was being loaned out to championship team and was never going to be used by Chelsea Palace has given him time etc.

Back to this window is has been very poor so far.

We bring in a freebie goalkeeper who i really don't see as a priority we have plenty of keepers and bring in a cheap left back who I hope ends up being a solid player but not sure he will even be competing for first team place that is it currently.

Not cleared out lots of the useless people Holding etc and renewed likes of Clyne/Mathews

I'm hoping we do late business but really can't see it happening maybe a few loans with odd 1-2 and doing that means those people are already 6 weeks behind which is not good.

Very surprised we didn't try get Walker-Peters on a free.

Another really big concern is manager who only has 1 year left

 

[CPFCSaturn]

If he wont sign a new extension which it looks like that is the case otherwise he would have done it last season.

Newcastle offered around 76m including addons and Spurs in Jan offered 60+ both those had been confirmed we just don't know if it was the club or player that was not interested.

If he walks for free that is terrible business.

Not sure why people keep repeating 18m with addons we paid Chelsea 26m and they had a clause of around 20% for sell on.

Remember this is a guy who was being loaned out to championship team and was never going to be used by Chelsea Palace has given him time etc.

Back to this window is has been very poor so far.

We bring in a freebie goalkeeper who i really don't see as a priority we have plenty of keepers and bring in a cheap left back who I hope ends up being a solid player but not sure he will even be competing for first team place that is it currently.

Not cleared out lots of the useless people Holding etc and renewed likes of Clyne/Mathews

I'm hoping we do late business but really can't see it happening maybe a few loans with odd 1-2 and doing that means those people are already 6 weeks behind which is not good.

Very surprised we didn't try get Walker-Peters on a free.

Another really big concern is manager who only has 1 year left

Why do you keep pushing this angle?

Levi Colwill was loaned to the Championship and is now used by Chelsea every week.
Reece James was loaned to the Championship and is now Chelsea club captain.
Trevoh Chalobah was loaned to the Championship and is now a Chelsea regular.
Mason Mount was loaned to the Championship and went onto play 100+ times for Chelsea.
Conor Gallagher was loaned to the Championship and went onto play 100+ times for Chelsea.
Tammy Abraham was loaned to the Championship and went onto play 100+ times for Chelsea.

Your suggestion that if someone is loaned to the Championship, they can't be a candidate for first team progression is clearly nonsense.

Guehi has been destined for big things for a long time - he has captained England at every youth level including the U21s and long been touted as an international player in the making.

He had just come off the back of being one of the best defenders in the Championship aged 20 - the idea that if we didn't come along he was on a path to nothing is pure fantasy.

 

[MrRobbo]

If he wont sign a new extension which it looks like that is the case otherwise he would have done it last season.

Newcastle offered around 76m including addons and Spurs in Jan offered 60+ both those had been confirmed we just don't know if it was the club or player that was not interested.

If he walks for free that is terrible business.

Not sure why people keep repeating 18m with addons we paid Chelsea 26m and they had a clause of around 20% for sell on.

Remember this is a guy who was being loaned out to championship team and was never going to be used by Chelsea Palace has given him time etc.

Back to this window is has been very poor so far.

We bring in a freebie goalkeeper who i really don't see as a priority we have plenty of keepers and bring in a cheap left back who I hope ends up being a solid player but not sure he will even be competing for first team place that is it currently.

Not cleared out lots of the useless people Holding etc and renewed likes of Clyne/Mathews

I'm hoping we do late business but really can't see it happening maybe a few loans with odd 1-2 and doing that means those people are already 6 weeks behind which is not good.

Very surprised we didn't try get Walker-Peters on a free.

Another really big concern is manager who only has 1 year left

Suspect he wouldn't want to play 2nd fiddle to Munoz, and will start at the spamers

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I love Marc. Superb player, seems a great character and captain. Lead us to our first ever trophy. Would be over the moon if he signed a new deal but that isn't happening. Losing England's best CB for free is not good business for a club of our size at all. Our model is to buy low and sell high, we have missed the £70mil boat. If we get offered £35-40mil i believe we should take it and re invest and rinse and repeat.

I've said it many times. Quality players on the field are worth more to the club than money.
He isn't just a defender, he is our captain.

I'm quite happy for Guehi to walk at the end of his contract. If we sell him for 40million we will have to spend most of that to get a proper replacement. Alternatively, we sign someone not as good on the cheap.

 

[grumpymort]

Why do you keep pushing this angle?

Levi Colwill was loaned to the Championship and is now used by Chelsea every week.
Reece James was loaned to the Championship and is now Chelsea club captain.
Trevoh Chalobah was loaned to the Championship and is now a Chelsea regular.
Mason Mount was loaned to the Championship and went onto play 100+ times for Chelsea.
Conor Gallagher was loaned to the Championship and went onto play 100+ times for Chelsea.
Tammy Abraham was loaned to the Championship and went onto play 100+ times for Chelsea.

Your suggestion that if someone is loaned to the Championship, they can't be a candidate for first team progression is clearly nonsense.

Guehi has been destined for big things for a long time - he has captained England at every youth level including the U21s and long been touted as an international player in the making.

He had just come off the back of being one of the best defenders in the Championship aged 20 - the idea that if we didn't come along he was on a path to nothing is pure fantasy.

Pushing what angle?

You really don't understand the Chelsea model or history of players.

All those you listed they did not sell until later on and at one stage wasn't it under Lampard he was forced to use youth players.

If he was in Chelsea plans why they sell him they didn't do this with other players.

So now you are claiming because someone does something at youth level they are destined to be great hardly (Will Hughes did great at youth level not 1 senior England cap)

 

[grumpymort]

Suspect he wouldn't want to play 2nd fiddle to Munoz, and will start at the spamers

You forget they got AWB who was with Bowen there best player last season

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Pushing what angle?

You really don't understand the Chelsea model or history of players.

All those you listed they did not sell until later on and at one stage wasn't it under Lampard he was forced to use youth players.

If he was in Chelsea plans why they sell him they didn't do this with other players.

So now you are claiming because someone does something at youth level they are destined to be great hardly (Will Hughes did great at youth level not 1 senior England cap)

That Guehi was not already on a path to being an elite level player before we signed him - he very clearly was.

From your posts, I’d suggest I understand Chelsea’s model far more than you - I’m sure I don’t need to highlight that Guehi was sold prior to Clearlake’s takeover at Chelsea, and their model has completely changed since then.

The list of players is to make a nonsense of your suggestion that if they loan someone to the championship, they ‘were never going to be used by Chelsea’. We can now agree that is demonstrably untrue.

They sold Guehi because he wanted first team football and they couldn’t offer it.

No, I’m suggesting Guehi’s achievements at youth level are further proof of the path he was on - of course nothing is guaranteed.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I've said it many times. Quality players on the field are worth more to the club than money.
He isn't just a defender, he is our captain.

I'm quite happy for Guehi to walk at the end of his contract. If we sell him for 40million we will have to spend most of that to get a proper replacement. Alternatively, we sign someone not as good on the cheap.

Yes, i think you are correct here, we cannot force him to go, i don't know, but suspect it was Marc's decision not to go to Newcastle, if we have him for another year and Riad turns of to be the player i think he is, then next season we are looking for squad player CD.

 

[Rootsy]

I've said it many times. Quality players on the field are worth more to the club than money.
He isn't just a defender, he is our captain.

I'm quite happy for Guehi to walk at the end of his contract. If we sell him for 40million we will have to spend most of that to get a proper replacement. Alternatively, we sign someone not as good on the cheap.

I would agree, he is top top quality and that's all well and good for next season. Then what do we do? Guehi walks for free and we lose our captain and the 40 odd million we could have got for him. We are then in the same boat with none of that money to then try and replace him?

 

[MrRobbo]

I would agree, he is top top quality and that's all well and good for next season. Then what do we do? Guehi walks for free and we lose our captain and the 40 odd million we could have got for him. We are then in the same boat with none of that money to then try and replace him?

This is the crux of the issue.

The decision not to sell (if it was the clubs) is partly vindicated because we won the club. But the only way for us to progress and punch above our weight is to generate more income. Being in a position where our captain and England defender leaves on a free will be pretty disastrous.

 

[HeathMan]

Why do you keep pushing this angle?

Levi Colwill was loaned to the Championship and is now used by Chelsea every week.
Reece James was loaned to the Championship and is now Chelsea club captain.
Trevoh Chalobah was loaned to the Championship and is now a Chelsea regular.
Mason Mount was loaned to the Championship and went onto play 100+ times for Chelsea.
Conor Gallagher was loaned to the Championship and went onto play 100+ times for Chelsea.
Tammy Abraham was loaned to the Championship and went onto play 100+ times for Chelsea.

Your suggestion that if someone is loaned to the Championship, they can't be a candidate for first team progression is clearly nonsense.

Guehi has been destined for big things for a long time - he has captained England at every youth level including the U21s and long been touted as an international player in the making.

He had just come off the back of being one of the best defenders in the Championship aged 20 - the idea that if we didn't come along he was on a path to nothing is pure fantasy.

Are the above loans from the Chelsea or CPFC Academy? Comments on how our young players are developing will be interesting. Time is of the essence. CPFC Academy loans (in my view) need to be late teens - giving us a chance of developing our own Whartons. Thoughts please.

 

[Badger11]

I don't believe our lack of activity is down to the court case and which league we play in.

1. I can understand a player who says I wont come unless you are in the Champions League but not applicable here. I doubt a player is worried about which minor European competition we are in or not all all. It's a nice to have.

2. I am not sure that the potential loss of revenue is that big either. Sure if we win the Europa, but realistically you can only plan for the group stage anything after that is gravy. As for the league we have been demoted to we might even end up losing money?

I think more likely the reason we are quiet is that we are waiting to see if we lose any key players. The sale of the club shares has not helped I doubt Woody will get involved until the FA have formally passed him.

Anyway a great excuse for the club not to spend.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I would agree, he is top top quality and that's all well and good for next season. Then what do we do? Guehi walks for free and we lose our captain and the 40 odd million we could have got for him. We are then in the same boat with none of that money to then try and replace him?

I think the reality will be that we won't spend £40 million on a replacement whether it's now or next season.
If we can replace him with a player of similar quality now, then great, but another season, and we might be in a better position to compete for players.
It's always a gamble.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

I've said it many times. Quality players on the field are worth more to the club than money.
He isn't just a defender, he is our captain.

I'm quite happy for Guehi to walk at the end of his contract. If we sell him for 40million we will have to spend most of that to get a proper replacement. Alternatively, we sign someone not as good on the cheap.

Agree to begin with. But having players leave for free we’re down £40 mil trying to replace them. We’ve been talking for years about a model of developing players that have resale value. It’s just how you have to operate unfortunately.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

I think the reality will be that we won't spend £40 million on a replacement whether it's now or next season.
If we can replace him with a player of similar quality now, then great, but another season, and we might be in a better position to compete for players.
It's always a gamble.

I think the best we can do is try like we did with Olise and Franca. Sell Olise for the £50 mil and buy Franca for £20 mil before we needed him and had bundles of cash the other club have an eye on.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I think the best we can do is try like we did with Olise and Franca. Sell Olise for the £50 mil and buy Franca for £20 mil before we needed him and had bundles of cash the other club have an eye on.

That's the problem. Franca is no Olise.

The club will be under financial pressure in paying for this new stand upgrade. I suspect that how much money we have to spend on players will depend on how much our shareholders will contribute to the build.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

That's the problem. Franca is no Olise.

The club will be under financial pressure in paying for this new stand upgrade. I suspect that how much money we have to spend on players will depend on how much our shareholders will contribute to the build.

I agree, but that’s the aim. It worked Lacroix replacing Andersen for less and Sarr coming in after Olise left and Glasner eventually reconfiguring the team.

 

[ambrose7]

I think the reality will be that we won't spend £40 million on a replacement whether it's now or next season.
If we can replace him with a player of similar quality now, then great, but another season, and we might be in a better position to compete for players.
It's always a gamble.

In what world would we be in a better position to compete next summer, when we'd be a Guehi transfer fee (let's say £35m) worse off than this summer?

And if there was some magic player who was somehow more than £35m undervalued by their current club, what gives us the right to be at the front of that queue?