Rachel Reeves

[Badger11]

Btw I'm not a fan of the EV tax, but it has to come, and a lot of you punched the air you're so up the arse of the oil lobbyists

It's the practicalities not the principle that bothers me. Of course EV users should pay to use the road and so should cyclists.

The issue is how do you collect the tax. The great thing about fuel duty is that even the criminal and the illegal still have to fill up so they are paying tax.

Asking people to tell you what mileage they used will only work with the honest. They need to find a better way.

 

[Spindle]

It's the practicalities not the principle that bothers me. Of course EV users should pay to use the road and so should cyclists.

The issue is how do you collect the tax. The great thing about fuel duty is that even the criminal and the illegal still have to fill up so they are paying tax.

Asking people to tell you what mileage they used will only work with the honest. They need to find a better way.

Agreed. And I have issue with how much public charging costs, it's on par with fuel

 

[Willo]

Sensible budget

I reject this viewpoint with every fibre of my being.

Last summer, the hapless Reeves promised not to raise taxes on working people. Within four months, she broke that promise and imposed a £25 billion Jobs Tax. She then promised in November 2024 that she would not raise any more taxes.
In the Budget she did just that, for a further £26 billion in taxes.
The 'Broken promises Chancellor'.

Working people are being squeezed so Labour can pump a welfare system that too often rewards those who refuse to work. Taxing work to pay for 'Benefits Street'.
Labour have made all the wrong choices and they have no serious plan to revive the economy.Our country deserves much better than this.

Rest assured, my coterie of Conservatives and 'Yours Truly' have had detailed discussions and what I have stated above is just a sliver of our unrelenting invective.The Budget was hurled into the pestle and mortar and vigorously pummelled.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It's the practicalities not the principle that bothers me. Of course EV users should pay to use the road and so should cyclists.

The issue is how do you collect the tax. The great thing about fuel duty is that even the criminal and the illegal still have to fill up so they are paying tax.

Asking people to tell you what mileage they used will only work with the honest. They need to find a better way.

This article says mileage would be recorded at the MOT and the charge worked out accordingly but there remains the problem of tampering with the odometer.
It seems fair that electric cars should be taxed since they're 300/400 kg heavier than petrol vehicles but it's another case, like diesel vehicles, where certain incentives were offered to increase take up which are now being eroded.
Cyclists should be taxed if only because the nearly 4000 seriously injured every year would be making a contribution to the NHS for their treatment.

Electric vehicle owners to face pay-per-mile tax

Drivers of electric cars will pay a road charge of 3p per mile, while plug-in hybrid drivers will pay 1.5p per mile from April 2028.

www.bbc.com

 

[beak]

This article says mileage would be recorded at the MOT and the charge worked out accordingly but there remains the problem of tampering with the odometer.
It seems fair that electric cars should be taxed since they're 300/400 kg heavier than petrol vehicles but it's another case, like diesel vehicles, where certain incentives were offered to increase take up which are now being eroded.
Cyclists should be taxed if only because the nearly 4000 seriously injured every year would be making a contribution to the NHS for their treatment.

Electric vehicle owners to face pay-per-mile tax

Drivers of electric cars will pay a road charge of 3p per mile, while plug-in hybrid drivers will pay 1.5p per mile from April 2028.

www.bbc.com

I thought that on introduction of the NHS that Aneurin Bevan said that the NHS scheme was to be free at the point of access and people's National Insurance would cover everything , i would like to get back to that point not further away.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I thought that on introduction of the NHS that Aneurin Bevan said that the NHS scheme was to be free at the point of access and people's National Insurance would cover everything , i would like to get back to that point not further away.

Like it covers prescriptions (in England), opticians and dentists?

 

[chris123]

I thought that on introduction of the NHS that Aneurin Bevan said that the NHS scheme was to be free at the point of access and people's National Insurance would cover everything , i would like to get back to that point not further away.

We're living 20 years longer, so the burden is different from just after the war.

 

[Badger11]

I thought that on introduction of the NHS that Aneurin Bevan said that the NHS scheme was to be free at the point of access and people's National Insurance would cover everything , i would like to get back to that point not further away.

But millions are no longer paying in and that is the problem. We need to move to an insurance based system which will mean us pensioners (amongst other groups) having to pony up which many on here will be upset about.

The reality is that fewer and fewer people are paying for the NHS so they (working taxpayers) end up sharing more and more of the burden.

 

[Common Sense Club]

This article says mileage would be recorded at the MOT and the charge worked out accordingly but there remains the problem of tampering with the odometer.
It seems fair that electric cars should be taxed since they're 300/400 kg heavier than petrol vehicles but it's another case, like diesel vehicles, where certain incentives were offered to increase take up which are now being eroded.
Cyclists should be taxed if only because the nearly 4000 seriously injured every year would be making a contribution to the NHS for their treatment.

Electric vehicle owners to face pay-per-mile tax

Drivers of electric cars will pay a road charge of 3p per mile, while plug-in hybrid drivers will pay 1.5p per mile from April 2028.

www.bbc.com

I think we need to look to how this will work in say, 5 years time. I suspect that by then it will be mandatory to have a black box fitted (probably via this being the only way to insure the car), thereby enabling successful monitoring of activity. Until then, it will be via MOT mileage. If people change their car beforehand then that just adds to vehicle sales and economic activity, so would be a bonus for the government. The sneaky bit may be that if your car does reach MOT age, you may have to pay for the 3 years you’ve already driven.

 

[palace_in_frogland]

Large parts of the country are already covered by NPR cameras, and the rollout continues. So there won’t be any need for self declaration, MOT mileage verification or any other unreliable system; every mile of every journey will be recorded and billed to the motorist accordingly.

Big brother is watching you…

 

[ASCPFC]

Anybody want to deny that people now have three years of being poorer? I make it around five percent poorer on average. But possibly more with inflation. I guess it's fine if you don't eat and don't use electricity and gas. Add in council tax and Labour have f***ed you.

 

[NMPalace]

I reject this viewpoint with every fibre of my being.

Last summer, the hapless Reeves promised not to raise taxes on working people. Within four months, she broke that promise and imposed a £25 billion Jobs Tax. She then promised in November 2024 that she would not raise any more taxes.
In the Budget she did just that, for a further £26 billion in taxes.
The 'Broken promises Chancellor'.

Working people are being squeezed so Labour can pump a welfare system that too often rewards those who refuse to work. Taxing work to pay for 'Benefits Street'.
Labour have made all the wrong choices and they have no serious plan to revive the economy.Our country deserves much better than this.

Rest assured, my coterie of Conservatives and 'Yours Truly' have had detailed discussions and what I have stated above is just a sliver of our unrelenting invective.The Budget was hurled into the pestle and mortar and vigorously pummelled.

FFS some people need to stop reading the Mail and get some sense of realism.

The country generates c£1 tr in tax receipts per year of which £100bn goes to service our debt. These figures were inherited by labour and were always going to be an impact, regardless of who was in power. Post covid and after 15 years of almost zero growth plus the damage of brexit the country was already paying record tax of c38% of all income so increasing it by £1 would be a new record.

Ultimately £20bn here or there is minor in the grand scheme of things.

This 'promise' is getting silly now - before the last election every day the press and the Tories hounded Labour until they made that commitment not to increase the main taxes and they are jumping on it now. The commitment was slightly vague - referring to the income tax band %, so there is an argument that as they have not been increased the pledge has been maintained.

The Tories also made it difficult by cutting NI twice before they left - the 2nd cut was not really affordable and was an election ploy - either get votes or leave a mess for Labour to sort out.

Whilst many don't like the 2 child benefit cap it's removal will take 450k kids out of poverty. Surely this is a good thing. The cost per family (and it is means tested) is c£4k per year - that's £80 a week. Hardly rewarding people to have too many kids.

Other than maybe the £2m mansion tax that will impact a low % the changes will be minimal for most people and potentially offset by lower utilities bills etc

 

[georgenorman]

Governments are the biggest impediment to economic progress and prosperity.

 

[beak]

But millions are no longer paying in and that is the problem. We need to move to an insurance based system which will mean us pensioners (amongst other groups) having to pony up which many on here will be upset about.

The reality is that fewer and fewer people are paying for the NHS so they (working taxpayers) end up sharing more and more of the burden.

Funding the NHS has always been political dynamite,two M.P's resigned over Labour bringing in charges for teeth and glasses one was obviously Aneurin Bevan the other was a new entrant to Parliament an unknown young boy called Harold Wilson ( whatever happened to him).

 

[Badger11]

Large parts of the country are already covered by NPR cameras, and the rollout continues. So there won’t be any need for self declaration, MOT mileage verification or any other unreliable system; every mile of every journey will be recorded and billed to the motorist accordingly.

Big brother is watching you…

Apparently there are 1m cars on the roads with dodgy licences. This ranges from stolen cars, fake number plates to people who are using materials that means the camera's can't read their licence plate.

It's pretty easy to buy the number plate obscurer stuff online I foresee that this problem is only going to get worse. Each year TFL has hundreds of thousands of unpaid fines and that is just London.

 

[Common Sense Club]

FFS some people need to stop reading the Mail and get some sense of realism.

The country generates c£1 tr in tax receipts per year of which £100bn goes to service our debt. These figures were inherited by labour and were always going to be an impact, regardless of who was in power. Post covid and after 15 years of almost zero growth plus the damage of brexit the country was already paying record tax of c38% of all income so increasing it by £1 would be a new record.

Ultimately £20bn here or there is minor in the grand scheme of things.

This 'promise' is getting silly now - before the last election every day the press and the Tories hounded Labour until they made that commitment not to increase the main taxes and they are jumping on it now. The commitment was slightly vague - referring to the income tax band %, so there is an argument that as they have not been increased the pledge has been maintained.

The Tories also made it difficult by cutting NI twice before they left - the 2nd cut was not really affordable and was an election ploy - either get votes or leave a mess for Labour to sort out.

Whilst many don't like the 2 child benefit cap it's removal will take 450k kids out of poverty. Surely this is a good thing. The cost per family (and it is means tested) is c£4k per year - that's £80 a week. Hardly rewarding people to have too many kids.

Other than maybe the £2m mansion tax that will impact a low % the changes will be minimal for most people and potentially offset by lower utilities bills etc

Whilst many don't like the 2 child benefit cap it's removal will take 450k kids out of poverty. Surely this is a good thing. The cost per family (and it is means tested) is c£4k per year - that's £80 a week. Hardly rewarding people to have too many kids.

A couple of points: firstly, I believe the 2 child cap was introduced in 2017, so is this encouraging people to have more children going forward or to help those who already have more than two children? Is the cost to the treasury based on who it will help now, or how many people it will help in the future?

Secondly, if it does take 450,000 children out of poverty (not sure how they measure that), how many will still be left in poverty?

 

[Willo]

FFS some people need to stop reading the Mail and get some sense of realism.

The country generates c£1 tr in tax receipts per year of which £100bn goes to service our debt. These figures were inherited by labour and were always going to be an impact, regardless of who was in power. Post covid and after 15 years of almost zero growth plus the damage of brexit the country was already paying record tax of c38% of all income so increasing it by £1 would be a new record.

Ultimately £20bn here or there is minor in the grand scheme of things.

This 'promise' is getting silly now - before the last election every day the press and the Tories hounded Labour until they made that commitment not to increase the main taxes and they are jumping on it now. The commitment was slightly vague - referring to the income tax band %, so there is an argument that as they have not been increased the pledge has been maintained.

The Tories also made it difficult by cutting NI twice before they left - the 2nd cut was not really affordable and was an election ploy - either get votes or leave a mess for Labour to sort out.

Whilst many don't like the 2 child benefit cap it's removal will take 450k kids out of poverty. Surely this is a good thing. The cost per family (and it is means tested) is c£4k per year - that's £80 a week. Hardly rewarding people to have too many kids.

Other than maybe the £2m mansion tax that will impact a low % the changes will be minimal for most people and potentially offset by lower utilities bills etc

With respect I do not just form my opinions on perusing my treasured 'Mail', although I wholeheartedly agree with the vilification directed at the Government and the hapless Rachel Reeves.
I profoundly disagree with your comments in support of the policies by this disreputable and failing Government who simply were not candid with the electorate prior to the election.

Labour have made all the wrong choices in this Budget - Increasing Income Taxes and taxes on savings to pay for Welfare.It has been reported that 43 taxes have been increased.Totally abhorent.Punishing those who invest in a pension to secure their futures.Taxes on businesses,landlords, holidays, cars etc etc.Higher Council tax etc etc. All these and many more were discussed in my meetings since the announcements by the incompetent Rachel Reeves.I shall not be drawn into a protracted and detailed debate on every jot and tittle as I have no desire to be affected by hypertension.My blood boils.
Finally a barnstorming performance by Kemi Badenoch - Jolly well done Kemi, I doff my hat.

 

[beak]

Apparently there are 1m cars on the roads with dodgy licences. This ranges from stolen cars, fake number plates to people who are using materials that means the camera's can't read their licence plate.

It's pretty easy to buy the number plate obscurer stuff online I foresee that this problem is only going to get worse. Each year TFL has hundreds of thousands of unpaid fines and that is just London.

I have an afternoon free today !

 

[Badger11]

I have an afternoon free today !

Just google Stealthplate then.

 

[Willo]

Whilst many don't like the 2 child benefit cap it's removal will take 450k kids out of poverty. Surely this is a good thing. The cost per family (and it is means tested) is c£4k per year - that's £80 a week. Hardly rewarding people to have too many kids.

A couple of points: firstly, I believe the 2 child cap was introduced in 2017, so is this encouraging people to have more children going forward or to help those who already have more than two children? Is the cost to the treasury based on who it will help now, or how many people it will help in the future?

Secondly, if it does take 450,000 children out of poverty (not sure how they measure that), how many will still be left in poverty?

A way to alleviate child poverty is to get families into work and thousands of jobs have been lost since the last budget.
This dastardly Government is taxing hard working people to pay for benefits.
The Conservatives will reduce spending, reduce tax and back businesses to get Britain working.This is a credible plan for the stronger economy that this country needs and deserves.

On that note, I am about to depart HOL as I am meeting some of my Conservative chums, professional persons and those steeped in Business experience.
Toodle-oo.