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Plight of Farmers.

beak said:
So which spending is thrown out,Disability , schools, pensions, Nhs, what is your choice for throwing under the bus, its a disgusting choice.
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Abolish the Scottish Parliament which costs £721 million a year. Abolish the Welsh Parliament which costs £84 million a year. Abolish Police Commissioners who are costing around £25 million a year. Abolish Regional Mayors who are collectively paid c£1 million a year, along with their bloated, largely unnecessary bureaucracies. Sack all the diversity police in the civil service and NHS. These are just a few initial thoughts, I'm sure we can come up with lots more. While we are at it, reintroduce tax relief for people choosing private health care and education, thus reducing pressure on public services.
 
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Reduce the number of management in the public sector, including NHS. Stop paying Stonewall for ridiculous training in the public sector/NHS. Stop bowing to Union demands for above average pay rises.
 
ASCPFC said:
Just asking: would that not have been done by councils - who were largely Labour?
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Certainly was Council decisions in my area, although LibDem not Labour. An ex-colleague of mine had a Subway franchise in Horsham, 10-15 years ago,he wanted to expand to a larger Unit, he was quoted rent if £80000pa. He laughed, walked away and opened one in another area. That Unit is still empty. Car Parking costs £2.40 for 1 hour
 
beak said:
So which spending is thrown out,Disability , schools, pensions, Nhs, what is your choice for throwing under the bus, its a disgusting choice.
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Back in the 1980's several Labour councils did that whilst protecting their ridiculous vanity projects.

You could make significant savings by simplifying the tax system as I have previously mentioned and it's not just tax, far too much red tape. Sir Humphrey of course loves it as the more regulation the more people you need to implement it.

Local authorities could still retain their independence whilst pooling resources with other local councils. So instead of 4 councils having 4 back offices you have 4 councils with one office that services all 4.

Scrap many Quangos these are just jobs for the boys and girls.

Public service pensions are a massive cost and politicians have ducked reform. I don't see why they can't close the current schemes for new employees and put them on similar schemes as the private sector.

Tell military contractors they will not be paid if they overrun, the risk is with them not the taxpayer.

Oh and halve the number of MPs,the current lot aren't that busy as most have second jobs. Abolish the 800 peer House of Lords and replace with 100 senators.

There is plenty of scope for saving without hurting the vulnerable.
 
Badger11 said:
Back in the 1980's several Labour councils did that whilst protecting their ridiculous vanity projects.

You could make significant savings by simplifying the tax system as I have previously mentioned and it's not just tax, far too much red tape. Sir Humphrey of course loves it as the more regulation the more people you need to implement it.

Local authorities could still retain their independence whilst pooling resources with other local councils. So instead of 4 councils having 4 back offices you have 4 councils with one office that services all 4.

Scrap many Quangos these are just jobs for the boys and girls.

Public service pensions are a massive cost and politicians have ducked reform. I don't see why they can't close the current schemes for new employees and put them on similar schemes as the private sector.

Tell military contractors they will not be paid if they overrun, the risk is with them not the taxpayer.

Oh and halve the number of MPs,the current lot aren't that busy as most have second jobs. Abolish the 800 peer House of Lords and replace with 100 senators.

There is plenty of scope for saving without hurting the vulnerable.
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How about also doing away with all the subsidies in the bars and restaurants in the HoP - that number of MP's and Lords must cost a fair bit, so let them pay for their meals like every other worker has to.
 
becky said:
How about also doing away with all the subsidies in the bars and restaurants in the HoP - that number of MP's and Lords must cost a fair bit, so let them pay for their meals like every other worker has to.
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Revolutionary, have you got a barrel of gunpowder. 😉 😊 😊
 
Badger11 said:
Back in the 1980's several Labour councils did that whilst protecting their ridiculous vanity projects.

You could make significant savings by simplifying the tax system as I have previously mentioned and it's not just tax, far too much red tape. Sir Humphrey of course loves it as the more regulation the more people you need to implement it.

Local authorities could still retain their independence whilst pooling resources with other local councils. So instead of 4 councils having 4 back offices you have 4 councils with one office that services all 4.

Scrap many Quangos these are just jobs for the boys and girls.

Public service pensions are a massive cost and politicians have ducked reform. I don't see why they can't close the current schemes for new employees and put them on similar schemes as the private sector.

Tell military contractors they will not be paid if they overrun, the risk is with them not the taxpayer.

Oh and halve the number of MPs,the current lot aren't that busy as most have second jobs. Abolish the 800 peer House of Lords and replace with 100 senators.

There is plenty of scope for saving without hurting the vulnerable.
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Some I agree with some I do not.

The primary unjust tax is not the boo-hiss enemy of the Daily Express - IHT - but council tax. Dodgy valuations undertaken a million years ago where those in central Westminster pay less than a 2-up-2-down in (making up my example but you get the point) Port Talbot.

With a handful of exceptions, public sector workers are generally paid considerably less than their private counterparts, although i suspect that gap has narrowed with zero hours etc. Public sector workers get a really bad press from the right wing media but these days the attacks are largely based on outdated preconceptions. These days they are usually over worked and under resourced, rather than cushy time servers.

The primary attraction to public service is (1) public service and (2) the generous pension. This was greatly reduced when it moved to average career salary based over final salary. Putting it in line with the private sector will reduce it further and may make positions very hard to fill given you are entering a world of high stress, low pay and even lower public esteem.

However, if you really want to make a saving, state pension must be means tested and not triple locked. That's the budget squared and public services returned to pre banking crisis levels as well as an ability to shore-up resources to hedge against an uncertain world and the unageing population. It is so obvious it hurts. However, politicians think no further than the next vote and who votes more and in greater number than pensioners?
 
silvertop said:
Some I agree with some I do not.

The primary unjust tax is not the boo-hiss enemy of the Daily Express - IHT - but council tax. Dodgy valuations undertaken a million years ago where those in central Westminster pay less than a 2-up-2-down in (making up my example but you get the point) Port Talbot.

With a handful of exceptions, public sector workers are generally paid considerably less than their private counterparts, although i suspect that gap has narrowed with zero hours etc. Public sector workers get a really bad press from the right wing media but these days the attacks are largely based on outdated preconceptions. These days they are usually over worked and under resourced, rather than cushy time servers.

The primary attraction to public service is (1) public service and (2) the generous pension. This was greatly reduced when it moved to average career salary based over final salary. Putting it in line with the private sector will reduce it further and may make positions very hard to fill given you are entering a world of high stress, low pay and even lower public esteem.

However, if you really want to make a saving, state pension must be means tested and not triple locked. That's the budget squared and public services returned to pre banking crisis levels as well as an ability to shore-up resources to hedge against an uncertain world and the unageing population. It is so obvious it hurts. However, politicians think no further than the next vote and who votes more and in greater number than pensioners?
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Also current recruitment freezes in certain departments does not help.
 
beak said:
That is the method that the trade people use to get cooperation, i am given to understand.Possible but probably not practical.
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Outside of Ukraine, the biggest recipients are Afghanistan, Somalia, Nigeria, Somalia, Ethiopia. Not sure there is much trade there!
 
beak said:
So which spending is thrown out,Disability , schools, pensions, Nhs, what is your choice for throwing under the bus, its a disgusting choice.
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The taxpayer spent £65 BILLION on long-term sickness benefits last year for over 3 million people. That is crazy. I know there is another thread about this but keen to point out there are savings to be made.
 
silvertop said:
Some I agree with some I do not.

The primary unjust tax is not the boo-hiss enemy of the Daily Express - IHT - but council tax. Dodgy valuations undertaken a million years ago where those in central Westminster pay less than a 2-up-2-down in (making up my example but you get the point) Port Talbot.

With a handful of exceptions, public sector workers are generally paid considerably less than their private counterparts, although i suspect that gap has narrowed with zero hours etc. Public sector workers get a really bad press from the right wing media but these days the attacks are largely based on outdated preconceptions. These days they are usually over worked and under resourced, rather than cushy time servers.

The primary attraction to public service is (1) public service and (2) the generous pension. This was greatly reduced when it moved to average career salary based over final salary. Putting it in line with the private sector will reduce it further and may make positions very hard to fill given you are entering a world of high stress, low pay and even lower public esteem.

However, if you really want to make a saving, state pension must be means tested and not triple locked. That's the budget squared and public services returned to pre banking crisis levels as well as an ability to shore-up resources to hedge against an uncertain world and the unageing population. It is so obvious it hurts. However, politicians think no further than the next vote and who votes more and in greater number than pensioners?
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I completely agree about council tax. If ever a tax needed reform it’s this. It’s a daft system which was rushed through with valuations that make no sense and without any way of achieving common sense solutions. Having been through an appeal process in the last 12 months I have personal experience of how stupid it is and how the so called independent review process is a farce. I am paying thousands a year more than other local properties that very clearly should be paying more. It’s nuts.

Not so sure about the state pension. People have paid their NI in the expectation of receiving their pension. Surely the better way is to deal with this is as we deal with all income, via income tax? The failure to update the tax bands means more and more income is being taxed at 40%. Something started by the previous administration.
 
Penge Eagle said:
The taxpayer spent £65 BILLION on long-term sickness benefits last year for over 3 million people. That is crazy. I know there is another thread about this but keen to point out there are savings to be made.
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I don’t often read posts from you that I agree with but I do with this.

Far too many are being allowed to milk the system. Overwhelmed GPs without either the expertise or time to mount full evaluations find it simpler to just comply with requests.

Most people are capable of doing some work, even on the phone from home while sitting on their settee or even in bed. If they can watch tv they can work.

We need to get much tougher with the scroungers and feckless.
 
Penge Eagle said:
The taxpayer spent £65 BILLION on long-term sickness benefits last year for over 3 million people. That is crazy. I know there is another thread about this but keen to point out there are savings to be made.
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Perhaps there is some connection with the Assisted Dying Bill ? It would definitely assist with saving money. 🙂

But , back to farmers. What did this idiot think he was doing ? Never mind the bow waves, he had no idea what damage he was doing under his wheels.
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Tenbury Wells tractor: Man arrested after town flood damage

In a video, a wave from the tractor's wake is seen striking shops and homes in Tenbury Wells.
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"A man has been arrested after a tractor driver was seen driving through deep floodwaters in Tenbury Wells, Worcestershire, which led to damage to shops.
The town centre was flooded on Sunday after a wall collapsed by Kyre Brook.
In a video shared on social media, a wave from the tractor's wake was seen striking shops and homes overlooking the street, breaking some windows.
A 57-year-old was arrested on suspicion of criminal damage and dangerous driving and released on bail while inquiries continue, police said." (BBC website)
 
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Forest Hillbilly said:
Perhaps there is some connection with the Assisted Dying Bill ? It would definitely assist with saving money. 🙂

But , back to farmers. What did this idiot think he was doing ? Never mind the bow waves, he had no idea what damage he was doing under his wheels.
www.bbc.co.uk

Tenbury Wells tractor: Man arrested after town flood damage

In a video, a wave from the tractor's wake is seen striking shops and homes in Tenbury Wells.
www.bbc.co.uk

"A man has been arrested after a tractor driver was seen driving through deep floodwaters in Tenbury Wells, Worcestershire, which led to damage to shops.
The town centre was flooded on Sunday after a wall collapsed by Kyre Brook.
In a video shared on social media, a wave from the tractor's wake was seen striking shops and homes overlooking the street, breaking some windows.
A 57-year-old was arrested on suspicion of criminal damage and dangerous driving and released on bail while inquiries continue, police said." (BBC website)
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Police are looking for an elderly famer, believed to have a Scottish accent.
 
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