People like this, show me unity is unlikely

[Mattconrov]

It was amazing how before covid, I had many people agree with me, that governments are not in our best interests.

After covid started I was the enemy and they trusted the governments.

I'm betting there are plenty of others who had the same experience.

 

[Stirlingsays]

It was amazing how before covid, I had many people agree with me, that governments are not in our best interests.

After covid started I was the enemy and they trusted the governments.

I'm betting there are plenty of others who had the same experience.

The guy's a 'pick and choose' idiot. He believes in slogans rather than principles.

 

[syd snot]

No government should ever be trusted to do things in the publics best interests.

 

[eaglesdare]

Covid really showed people's true colours and what they are truly like. The mask well and truly slipped.

 

[Mattconrov]

Covid really showed people's true colours and what they are truly like. The mask well and truly slipped.

It's strange because the people who screamed and shouted at me during covid (literally); have all moved on.

No one has ever said - you know what Matt, maybe you had a little bit of point. But nothing, they have all moved on.

I won't ever forget. Lol

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It was amazing how before covid, I had many people agree with me, that governments are not in our best interests.

After covid started I was the enemy and they trusted the governments.

I'm betting there are plenty of others who had the same experience.

I am puzzled. Are you supporting the interviewer or the interviewee?

The interviewee responded calmly and with completely good sense. He comes over very well. Whilst the interviewer tried to provoke him with some nonsensical questions.

Nothing governments did during Covid was remotely tyrannical. It was just common sense to expect everyone to play their part when we collectively faced a common enemy whose impact wasn’t yet understood. Allowing individuals to opt out of collective responsibility isn’t a wise public health decision. We all needed to follow what our public health experts believed was in our best interests at that time. Whether, or not, subsequent discoveries vindicated that being irrelevant.

This was never an issue of personal freedoms. It was only ever an issue of responsible behaviour.

 

[Mattconrov]

I am puzzled. Are you supporting the interviewer or the interviewee?

The interviewee responded calmly and with completely good sense. He comes over very well. Whilst the interviewer tried to provoke him with some nonsensical questions.

Nothing governments did during Covid was remotely tyrannical. It was just common sense to expect everyone to play their part when we collectively faced a common enemy whose impact wasn’t yet understood. Allowing individuals to opt out of collective responsibility isn’t a wise public health decision. We all needed to follow what our public health experts believed was in our best interests at that time. Whether, or not, subsequent discoveries vindicated that being irrelevant.

This was never an issue of personal freedoms. It was only ever an issue of responsible behaviour.

I know you know the answer to the question in the first paragraph.

It was maybe 3 years ago you and me did the dance of covid together. I remember, you may not.

This thread is more relevant to those who have already responded.

I am well aware of your views on covid. We completely disagree with each other.

However you may also remember that I respect you too.

All the best as always.

 

[Living In Hope]

Matt, I missed the older threads on this, but what is your proposal in preference to governments ? The alternative is surely anarchy ? For what it's worth, whilst most of my views are right of centre, I was and still am supportive of most of the government's actions to combat Covid. In certain more extreme circumstances a level of conformity is required from citizens, even in a liberal democracy.

I also do not agree with the view that generally our government is not interested in making people's lives better. It's a complex question, but individually most MP's, however misguided I might find their views and methods, are in it to create a better country and to improve people's lives. I always find it quite a difficult argument to understand when people assert most politicians are in it for personal benefit. Most, especially if competent enough to be an MP, could earn more money elsewhere without the aggravation and constant scrutiny of public life, so how are they serving themselves ?

But the most important thing is that people with differing views can have a dialogue rather than a shouting match.

 

[Mattconrov]

Matt, I missed the older threads on this, but what is your proposal in preference to governments ? The alternative is surely anarchy ? For what it's worth, whilst most of my views are right of centre, I was and still am supportive of most of the government's actions to combat Covid. In certain more extreme circumstances a level of conformity is required from citizens, even in a liberal democracy.

I also do not agree with the view that generally our government is not interested in making people's lives better. It's a complex question, but individually most MP's, however misguided I might find their views and methods, are in it to create a better country and to improve people's lives. I always find it quite a difficult argument to understand when people assert most politicians are in it for personal benefit. Most, especially if competent enough to be an MP, could earn more money elsewhere without the aggravation and constant scrutiny of public life, so how are they serving themselves ?

But the most important thing is that people with differing views can have a dialogue rather than a shouting match.

That's a lot to un pack

However I can answer your question in my way.

There are some politicians who start their career with good intentions. However they will soon discover that they have little influence

They are just carrying out the instructions of people higher up. A compartmentalised system. The names of the people truely running the show, we don't know.

Ask yourself this. Do people want war? Of course they do not. But why do we have constant wars?

My alternative in preference to governments?

I'm not saying there should not be a rule of law. I am saying that these people do not act in our best interests. So why keep voting for a rigged system.

The alternative would require unity in people. As you can see from the title of the thread, that's unlikely at the moment.

Politicians make a fair wage. Some of the more successful ones make plenty of extra money with the other jobs they do associated to the politicians job. Some probably like the power and prestige.

Sorry my response is jumbled up. It's just a kept noticing your many questions.

P.s
If you would like some more information on why covid was a complete scam, then I will be happy to answer. Lol

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I know you know the answer to the question in the first paragraph.

It was maybe 3 years ago you and me did the dance of covid together. I remember, you may not.

This thread is more relevant to those who have already responded.

I am well aware of your views on covid. We completely disagree with each other.

However you may also remember that I respect you too.

All the best as always.

Thank you for your polite reply. It is appreciated.

I was genuinely puzzled by your initial post, though your subsequent comments clarified things.

We most certainly disagree. My position is simple. I believe that whilst everyone has an absolute right to disagree with any law, no one has the right to ignore one.

 

[Mattconrov]

Thank you for your polite reply. It is appreciated.

I was genuinely puzzled by your initial post, though your subsequent comments clarified things.

We most certainly disagree. My position is simple. I believe that whilst everyone has an absolute right to disagree with any law, no one has the right to ignore one.

You're welcome,

We both know each other's position ,which is obviously cool.

Unlike some others on the platform I believe yourself and others add a very important balance to the conversation.

It would be boring if we all agreed.

 

[eaglesdare]

Thank you for your polite reply. It is appreciated.

I was genuinely puzzled by your initial post, though your subsequent comments clarified things.

We most certainly disagree. My position is simple. I believe that whilst everyone has an absolute right to disagree with any law, no one has the right to ignore one.

The thousands crossing the channel every day certainly ignore it? 🤔

 

[DanH]

The thousands crossing the channel every day certainly ignore it? 🤔

‘Thousands every day’.

Do you ever think to do even the slightest bit of easily available fact checking before you post?

Small boat arrivals: last 7 days

www.gov.uk

 

[Mattconrov]

‘Thousands every day’.

Do you ever think to do even the slightest bit of easily available fact checking before you post?

Small boat arrivals: last 7 days

www.gov.uk

Certainly thousands over the last few years.

The point eagledare makes, still stands.

I would be surprised if he thinks 1000s a day come over. Any amount is too many

 

[DanH]

Certainly thousands over the last few years.

The point eagledare makes, still stands.

I would be surprised if he thinks 1000s a day come over. Any amount is too many

But what he’s done is where so much of this ‘broken Britain’ narrative comes from. People take a valid problem and exaggerate it and amplify it to those who just take these things at face value without even bother to check.

There are many genuine issues in this country but the online right ploy is to make them seem a hundred (or in this case thousands) times worse than it is.

It’s deliberate and it’s made to amplify fear and loathing to further their political cause.

 

[georgenorman]

You're welcome,

We both know each other's position ,which is obviously cool.

Unlike some others on the platform I believe yourself and others add a very important balance to the conversation.

It would be boring if we all agreed.

You know it balances on your head
Just like a mattress balances
On a bottle of wine [Bob Dylan, 'Leopard-Skin Pill Box Hat']

 

[Jimenez]

I am puzzled. Are you supporting the interviewer or the interviewee?

The interviewee responded calmly and with completely good sense. He comes over very well. Whilst the interviewer tried to provoke him with some nonsensical questions.

Nothing governments did during Covid was remotely tyrannical. It was just common sense to expect everyone to play their part when we collectively faced a common enemy whose impact wasn’t yet understood. Allowing individuals to opt out of collective responsibility isn’t a wise public health decision. We all needed to follow what our public health experts believed was in our best interests at that time. Whether, or not, subsequent discoveries vindicated that being irrelevant.

This was never an issue of personal freedoms. It was only ever an issue of responsible behaviour.

Oh but it was. Multi national chains & Big box stores were allowed to open with impunity & yet if you ran a small one man business you were expected to close. You were allowed to protest BLM but not allowed to go to a funeral, you couldn't go to a secluded beach to get fresh air & stretch your legs or walk your dog yet politicians frequently met in crowded rooms to discuss policy.

 

[Mattconrov]

But what he’s done is where so much of this ‘broken Britain’ narrative comes from. People take a valid problem and exaggerate it and amplify it to those who just take these things at face value without even bother to check.

There are many genuine issues in this country but the online right ploy is to make them seem a hundred (or in this case thousands) times worse than it is.

It’s deliberate and it’s made to amplify fear and loathing to further their political cause.

I really don't think he meant 1000s.
It's an error I would bet.

Yep, many of the on line right annoy me too. Especially on you tube comments. Very rascist at times and probably emotionally imbalanced. It's impossible to offer different explanations to them.

Then we have many on the on line left who say, nothing to see here and everything is fine. Diversity is our strength. It's also impossible to offer different explanations to them.

Unfortunately people's ego's on both sides get in the way of any common ground being meet.

While this is happening, a group of rich, sadistic powerful men and women are laughing at us.

 

[DanH]

I really don't think he meant 1000s.
It's an error I would bet.

Yep, many of the on line right annoy me too. Especially on you tube comments. Very rascist at times and probably emotionally imbalanced. It's impossible to offer different explanations to them.

Then we have many on the on line left who say, nothing to see here and everything is fine. Diversity is our strength. It's also impossible to offer different explanations to them.

Unfortunately people's ego's on both sides get in the way of any common ground being meet.

While this is happening, a group of rich, sadistic powerful men and women are laughing at us.

If he did it knowingly he’s deliberately trying to manipulate it further for his own political gain.

If it’s an error it shows he’s one of the online right thickos who has been suckered in by someone doing the above to him.

 

[Mattconrov]

Oh but it was. Multi national chains & Big box stores were allowed to open with impunity & yet if you ran a small one man business you were expected to close. You were allowed to protest BLM but not allowed to go to a funeral, you couldn't go to a secluded beach to get fresh air & stretch your legs or walk your dog yet politicians frequently met in crowded rooms to discuss policy.

You can also add the treatment that covid protesters got from the police as opposed to very violent Blm protesters.

Covid enabled the global businesses to expand and the tiny ones to disappear.

Also my understanding is that when challenged in court, no covid prosecutions were successful. That says a lot about the law.

People certainly paid covid fines. But my suggestion is they didn't need to.