Pakistan and India threatening war.

[Glazier#1]

gaslighting

1. manipulate (someone) using psychological methods into questioning their own sanity or powers of reasoning.

No.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

No.

That is the primary weapon of the left in their quest to destroy Britain.

 

[Penge Eagle]

An example...

Person A:
"I think border security is important and shouldn’t be dismissed just because it's a talking point from the right."

Person B (Gaslighting):
"Wow, I didn’t know you were okay with racism and locking kids in cages. I guess I completely misjudged your values."

This reframes a nuanced position as inherently immoral, making Person A question their values or integrity rather than addressing the policy view itself.

Hrolf: "There are cultural differences between Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims."

Glazier#1 (Gaslighting): "And you think that those who tried to burn down that Southport hotel cared whether it had Hindus, Sikhs or Muslims in it?"

This reframes a nuanced position as inherently immoral, making Person A question their values or integrity rather than addressing the policy view itself.

 

[Glazier#1]

Hrolf: "There are cultural differences between Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims."

Glazier#1 (Gaslighting): "And you think that those who tried to burn down that Southport hotel cared whether it had Hindus, Sikhs or Muslims in it?"

This reframes a nuanced position as inherently immoral, making Person A question their values or integrity rather than addressing the policy view itself.

You are boring.

The difference between Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims? You barely notice the first two are around. They mind their own business, integrate into British society, and don't feature disproportionately in crime statistics.

Can we say that about a significant number of the latter?

And you think that those who tried to burn down that Southport hotel cared whether it had Hindus, Sikhs or Muslims in it?

Yet all those on here with their 'Hurty words' rubbish.

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Yes, the nuanced position is that there is a cultural difference and behavioural difference.

The championing on these pages of the Southport incident shows that there are some who are/were prepared to burn down a hotel within which were people who could have been Hindus or Sikhs but they cared not. There were/are those who tried to, actually, 'reframe' the incident itself by championing it as 'just ordinary people' who are frustrated.

It's pointing out that, no matter how 'nuanced', there are some who are don't care a fig and that's a scary prospect that should not be applauded. A point made apropos this forum in general, I think, rather than Rolfie himself.

Is that gaslighting?

 

[HKOwen]

Going back a few poages, I would be delighted to see the Labour party moving much further to the Left, as long as the overt Jew hating did not return . It would make Labour even less popular than they currently are after less than a year of TTK

 

[PalazioVecchio]

I would be delighted to see the Labour party moving much further to the Left, as long as the overt Jew hating did not return . It would make Labour even less popular than they currently are after less than a year of TTK

they could also recruit a few more clowns to their front benches. 'Politicians' who are about as Statesmanlike as a fancy-dress football-pitch-invader. Somebody who gets carted off by the cops, in handcuffs.

 

[Glazier#1]

they could also recruit a few more clowns to their front benches. 'Politicians' who are about as Statesmanlike as a fancy-dress football-pitch-invader. Somebody who gets carted off by the cops, in handcuffs.

So, unstatesmanlike bad for Labour but good for Trump.
Classic double standards to suit agenda.
Same old same old, Crystalo.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

And you think that those who tried to burn down that Southport hotel cared whether it had Hindus, Sikhs or Muslims in it?

Yet all those on here with their 'Hurty words' rubbish.

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Yes, the nuanced position is that there is a cultural difference and behavioural difference.

The championing on these pages of the Southport incident shows that there are some who are/were prepared to burn down a hotel within which were people who could have been Hindus or Sikhs but they cared not. There were/are those who tried to, actually, 'reframe' the incident itself by championing it as 'just ordinary people' who are frustrated.

It's pointing out that, no matter how 'nuanced', there are some who are don't care a fig and that's a scary prospect that should not be applauded. A point made apropos this forum in general, I think, rather than Rolfie himself.

Is that gaslighting?

What is interesting is how you claim to know what sort of people were involved. I don't know. How come you do? Were you there in a counterprotest?
It's also telling that you are more concerned with the aftermath of Southport than with the cause.

What does that say about you?

 

[Glazier#1]

What is interesting is how you claim to know what sort of people were involved. I don't know. How come you do? Were you there in a counterprotest?
It's also telling that you are more concerned with the aftermath of Southport than with the cause.

What does that say about you?

The sort of people who were involved set fire to vehicles and also tried to torch the hotel. What more do I need to know?

That's some assumption you make there, Rolfie. Whether I think we have a problem with immigration or not is irrelevant; there were those there who wanted to exact violence, harm and possible death to the inhabitants of the hotel.

The fact that you might be willing to champion this might say something about you. Honestly now, do you support this kind of behaviour?

 

[Glazier#1]

Anyway, enough is enough: this is way off subject for this thread and it's dragged on long enough, don't you think?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

The sort of people who were involved set fire to vehicles and also tried to torch the hotel. What more do I need to know?

That's some assumption you make there, Rolfie. Whether I think we have a problem with immigration or not is irrelevant; there were those there who wanted to exact violence, harm and possible death to the inhabitants of the hotel.

The fact that you might be willing to champion this might say something about you. Honestly now, do you support this kind of behaviour?

I never champion mindless violence.

Your whole misdirection on this has been to claim that some on here do. I'm still waiting for some evidence of that.

It's the same old pattern from people like you. Accusation without justification.

Why don't you talk about the murder of innocent children by someone who should never have been here in the first place.

 

[ASCPFC]

Anyway, enough is enough: this is way off subject for this thread and it's dragged on long enough, don't you think?

Yes, because now we can all wait for cool war videos to come in. We can share them here and show off our knowledge of military hardware and tactics. Who's got the coolest weapons, or is it just that Chinese knock off/ Russian cheap shyte?
A bit like a back garden firework display in comparison to NATO's really cool stuff.

 

[Penge Eagle]

And you think that those who tried to burn down that Southport hotel cared whether it had Hindus, Sikhs or Muslims in it?

Yet all those on here with their 'Hurty words' rubbish.

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Yes, the nuanced position is that there is a cultural difference and behavioural difference.

The championing on these pages of the Southport incident shows that there are some who are/were prepared to burn down a hotel within which were people who could have been Hindus or Sikhs but they cared not. There were/are those who tried to, actually, 'reframe' the incident itself by championing it as 'just ordinary people' who are frustrated.

It's pointing out that, no matter how 'nuanced', there are some who are don't care a fig and that's a scary prospect that should not be applauded. A point made apropos this forum in general, I think, rather than Rolfie himself.

Is that gaslighting?

Unless I've missed it, I don't think anybody on here has said burning down a hotel is justified.

It also has nothing to do with the point Hrolf was trying to make about cultural differences.

 

[Glazier#1]

Unless I've missed it, I don't think anybody on here has said burning down a hotel is justified.

It also has nothing to do with the point Hrolf was trying to make about cultural differences.

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Oct 30th 24

At the very least there needs to be some re-trials as the perception on which they were sentenced ,Far right thugs acting on false online rumours is now one of concerned residents acting on a sound belief that it was yet another wanna be terrorist murdering our children .

I would say a more lenient view would have been taken at least against those writing or shouting hurty words



Forest Hillbilly

Apr 3, 2025

It seems Lawfare is acceptable now. The case(s) against Trump pre-election, the Southport civil unrest (which prosecutions were fast-tracked and given unduly lengthy sentencing to quash further demonstrations), now Marine Le Pen and the European Parliament.

Nb: not rioting but 'Civil unrest'



Behind Enemy Lines

Originally posted by Matov

Reports of it kicking off in Stockport with a Mosque being attacked.

Good. Whilst the British way is to normally light candles and deposit flowers at the scene, the authorities can continue to say lessons will be learned and go back to other things. There is only so much education you can continue to give to people who keep saying that they have learned lessons; something needed to change.



Matov Flag 30 Jul 24 8.48pm

Quite. Enough is enough. And all that lighting candles and laying flowers, along with some random photogenic girl suddenly starting to sing is all deliberately staged by Government.



Hrolf The Ganger 31 Jul 24 9.54am

it is time that people show just how angry they are. This is potentially the straw that breaks the camel's back.

If Governments don't act to make change, then what option does the population have other than direct action? The ballot box clearly won't change anything.



@nickdixoncomic

Obviously it’s wrong to set things on fire and especially to attack police. But the difference in tone is clear.

Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Jul 24 4.08pm

Some will burn candles, and some will want to find any visible symbol of what they consider the cause and burn that instead.

It's the sort of mindless violence you get when you create the environment that politicians have created.



rikz Flag Croydon 31 Jul 24 4.34pm

In terms of the riots, we all know why they have happened. You can disapprove all you like...again working class white people get dumped on and yet are expected to take it.
Nod along to narratives, pay their taxes and take the lies. Have their living spaces taken by foreigners. Well, when it comes to their kids being knifed they are going to respond like every other group.



PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 31 Jul 24 5.43pm

i would expect most of the family members of the victims to have been rioting. Locals all. And honestly, i cannot blame them


PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 31 Jul 24 9.40pm

Tier policing.

crucifying some people for not much of a crime



Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 Aug 24 8.14am

If sensible politicians cannot make sensible policies then eventually people will turn to violence. I don't think violence is ever acceptable but what do you expect when the elite ride roughshod over the public.



Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 Aug 24 8.55am

Let's all sit at home crying and do nothing about things because we don't want to upset a system which has paved the way for children to be murdered in the middle of the day



Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 Aug 24 11.11am

Some individuals have been moved to action by the murder of little girls as not only an unimaginable reality but one in a latest sequence of them. Most are men, desperate to protect children within their society. They've chosen to do something to demonstrate a necessity for change, whether it be condoned, contributory to the desired outcomes or not.

The fact that some weasels are unable to comprehend this or anything beyond their own cowardice does not make them right nor their opinions anything less than the demonstration of their own being.



Stirlingsays Aug 24 1.32pm

Why should they concern themselves with the thoughts of traitors? These people have nothing to offer them but more of the same.
I also find the idea that they are rioting out of misinformation....that they are really interested in the minor details as to whether they should be really angry or not as so out of touch that I'd expect hearing next that we should placate them by letting them 'eat cake'.


Behind Enemy Lines 01 Aug 24 4.36pm

My point is - which I am sure you understand - is why did the riots take place? What was the catalyst? No murders in Southport equals no riots.


Forest Hillbilly 01 Aug 24 5.20pm

Another way of dealing with rioters, would be to understand peoples' perception that immigrant 'cultures' do not always add to the British society. Rather than try to supress protesters, he might do better to stop small boats and other real concerns that other cultures bring to our shores.



ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Aug 24 5.28pm

Hartlepool are clearly rioting over stabbings that have happened there. In May a Muslim asylum seeker roamed the streets looking for people to stab over deaths in Palestine. He killed a 70 year old white man. Which was the latest incident involving asylum seekers in Hartlepool. These are not just random far right riots. People are sick of being gaslighted.



Behind Enemy Lines 01 Aug 24 6.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That’s the problem. People have rushed to judgement and then decided to use their conclusions as an excuse to create mayhem.
Everyone wants to “stop small boats” and there was a magic wand able to do it then it would have been used by now.
Pelting the police with bricks isn’t going to help. It ties them up rather than allowing them to do their job.
This has been a very stupid reaction to a terrible tragedy. A time for healing, not for creating deeper divisions.

Those who see any merit whatsoever in it need to take a long hard look at themselves.



I've just taken a long hard look at myself; God, I'm attractive...!





Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Aug 24 7.03pm

Inevitably, at some point, people would have had enough of the effects of mass immigration and react with anger.
The government reaction, especially a Labour government, is predictable.
Come down hard on it, blame 'extremists'. Make examples of so called ring leaders. Behaviour more typical of tyranny.



cryrst 01 Aug 24 7.04pm

Well Muslims don’t drink so they knew what they were doing in Leeds.

Drunken youths dont have clue what they’re doing, they’re drunk. Whose worse ?



Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

There are a lot of people feeling the same way as the innocent protesters. Does that make large section of society the far right?

Teddy Eagle Aug 24 11.35pm

And it wouldn't have happened if those murders hadn't taken place.

 

[Penge Eagle]

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Oct 30th 24

At the very least there needs to be some re-trials as the perception on which they were sentenced ,Far right thugs acting on false online rumours is now one of concerned residents acting on a sound belief that it was yet another wanna be terrorist murdering our children .

I would say a more lenient view would have been taken at least against those writing or shouting hurty words



Forest Hillbilly

Apr 3, 2025

It seems Lawfare is acceptable now. The case(s) against Trump pre-election, the Southport civil unrest (which prosecutions were fast-tracked and given unduly lengthy sentencing to quash further demonstrations), now Marine Le Pen and the European Parliament.

Nb: not rioting but 'Civil unrest'



Behind Enemy Lines

Originally posted by Matov

Reports of it kicking off in Stockport with a Mosque being attacked.

Good. Whilst the British way is to normally light candles and deposit flowers at the scene, the authorities can continue to say lessons will be learned and go back to other things. There is only so much education you can continue to give to people who keep saying that they have learned lessons; something needed to change.



Matov Flag 30 Jul 24 8.48pm

Quite. Enough is enough. And all that lighting candles and laying flowers, along with some random photogenic girl suddenly starting to sing is all deliberately staged by Government.



Hrolf The Ganger 31 Jul 24 9.54am

it is time that people show just how angry they are. This is potentially the straw that breaks the camel's back.

If Governments don't act to make change, then what option does the population have other than direct action? The ballot box clearly won't change anything.



@nickdixoncomic

Obviously it’s wrong to set things on fire and especially to attack police. But the difference in tone is clear.

Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Jul 24 4.08pm

Some will burn candles, and some will want to find any visible symbol of what they consider the cause and burn that instead.

It's the sort of mindless violence you get when you create the environment that politicians have created.



rikz Flag Croydon 31 Jul 24 4.34pm

In terms of the riots, we all know why they have happened. You can disapprove all you like...again working class white people get dumped on and yet are expected to take it.
Nod along to narratives, pay their taxes and take the lies. Have their living spaces taken by foreigners. Well, when it comes to their kids being knifed they are going to respond like every other group.



PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 31 Jul 24 5.43pm

i would expect most of the family members of the victims to have been rioting. Locals all. And honestly, i cannot blame them


PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 31 Jul 24 9.40pm

Tier policing.

crucifying some people for not much of a crime



Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 Aug 24 8.14am

If sensible politicians cannot make sensible policies then eventually people will turn to violence. I don't think violence is ever acceptable but what do you expect when the elite ride roughshod over the public.



Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 Aug 24 8.55am

Let's all sit at home crying and do nothing about things because we don't want to upset a system which has paved the way for children to be murdered in the middle of the day



Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 Aug 24 11.11am

Some individuals have been moved to action by the murder of little girls as not only an unimaginable reality but one in a latest sequence of them. Most are men, desperate to protect children within their society. They've chosen to do something to demonstrate a necessity for change, whether it be condoned, contributory to the desired outcomes or not.

The fact that some weasels are unable to comprehend this or anything beyond their own cowardice does not make them right nor their opinions anything less than the demonstration of their own being.



Stirlingsays Aug 24 1.32pm

Why should they concern themselves with the thoughts of traitors? These people have nothing to offer them but more of the same.
I also find the idea that they are rioting out of misinformation....that they are really interested in the minor details as to whether they should be really angry or not as so out of touch that I'd expect hearing next that we should placate them by letting them 'eat cake'.


Behind Enemy Lines 01 Aug 24 4.36pm

My point is - which I am sure you understand - is why did the riots take place? What was the catalyst? No murders in Southport equals no riots.


Forest Hillbilly 01 Aug 24 5.20pm

Another way of dealing with rioters, would be to understand peoples' perception that immigrant 'cultures' do not always add to the British society. Rather than try to supress protesters, he might do better to stop small boats and other real concerns that other cultures bring to our shores.



ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Aug 24 5.28pm

Hartlepool are clearly rioting over stabbings that have happened there. In May a Muslim asylum seeker roamed the streets looking for people to stab over deaths in Palestine. He killed a 70 year old white man. Which was the latest incident involving asylum seekers in Hartlepool. These are not just random far right riots. People are sick of being gaslighted.



Behind Enemy Lines 01 Aug 24 6.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That’s the problem. People have rushed to judgement and then decided to use their conclusions as an excuse to create mayhem.
Everyone wants to “stop small boats” and there was a magic wand able to do it then it would have been used by now.
Pelting the police with bricks isn’t going to help. It ties them up rather than allowing them to do their job.
This has been a very stupid reaction to a terrible tragedy. A time for healing, not for creating deeper divisions.

Those who see any merit whatsoever in it need to take a long hard look at themselves.



I've just taken a long hard look at myself; God, I'm attractive...!





Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Aug 24 7.03pm

Inevitably, at some point, people would have had enough of the effects of mass immigration and react with anger.
The government reaction, especially a Labour government, is predictable.
Come down hard on it, blame 'extremists'. Make examples of so called ring leaders. Behaviour more typical of tyranny.



cryrst 01 Aug 24 7.04pm

Well Muslims don’t drink so they knew what they were doing in Leeds.

Drunken youths dont have clue what they’re doing, they’re drunk. Whose worse ?



Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

There are a lot of people feeling the same way as the innocent protesters. Does that make large section of society the far right?

Teddy Eagle Aug 24 11.35pm

And it wouldn't have happened if those murders hadn't taken place.

I've read through this and not sure what your point is?

 

[Glazier#1]

I've read through this and not sure what your point is?

Unless I've missed it, I don't think anybody on here has said burning down a hotel is justified.

 

[Foxy82]

I've read through this and not sure what your point is?

Imagine spending all that time trying to prove a point, and then failing to prove that point 🤣.

 

[Glazier#1]

Imagine spending all that time trying to prove a point, and then failing to prove that point 🤣.

Hmmm… ok

 

[Penge Eagle]

Hmmm… ok

We should probably get back to the topic of the thread. But to summarise... someone says there are cultural differences between Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims. Your response is not to see the nuances in his point but to say that person and other posters on here simply dislike Muslims - which is pretty ignorant. This is not what he was saying and you were very quick to point a finger calling him (and those who agree) a bigot. Your so called evidence is posters agreeing with the Southport civil unrest over three girls getting stabbed to death by an extremist. Nobody agreed with burning down any hotel in what you posted above.

 

[Glazier#1]

We should probably get back to the topic of the thread. But to summarise... someone says there are cultural differences between Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims. Your response is not to see the nuances in his point but to say that person and other posters on here simply dislike Muslims - which is pretty ignorant. This is not what he was saying and you were very quick to point a finger calling him (and those who agree) a bigot. Your so called evidence is posters agreeing with the Southport civil unrest over three girls getting stabbed to death by an extremist. Nobody agreed with burning down any hotel in what you posted above.*

Well, I can't say I'm surprised by your response.

To summarise:

Ok, in your opinion, I'm acting in an ignorant way.

Tell, me, what's the difference between agreeing with the 'civil unrest' (as you refer to it) and the violence and the flames we witnessed?

Just to be nuanced, you understand.

I don't expect a reply. You're right that this should cease on this thread.

Anyone reading any of this can, of course, make up their own mind. Then they can decide who, if anyone, is bigoted or pretty ignorant.



Cheers.

*Originally posted by Matov

Reports of it kicking off in Stockport with a Mosque being attacked.

Good.