Newcastle vs. Crystal Palace match thread

[Lanzo-Ad]

Bore off. Quiet when we win, killing the formation when we lose.

Suspect the supporters of these clubs would disagree. I suspect an unbiased combined 11 of those teams wouldn't feature too many Palace players.

Palace would make more than 50% of the players of a combined team

 

[taylors lovechild]

Glasner out is not what Lanzo is saying, he, as with me believe you must adjust your team set up and tactics to suit the opposition you are playing. The additional man in the Newcastle midfield continuallysucked in one of our centre half’s whatever side they were attacking such that their wingers/overlapping backs found acres of space once our own overlapping wingbacks were caught out of position.

Yes, our cause wasn’t helped by individual defensive errors however we were exposed by a formation that was ripping apart our own. This was not difficult to see.

There needs to be an alternative formation to play against a dominant midfield which doesn’t allow the opposition to ping balls to their hearts content. We were actually lucky it was only 5.

I don’t mind Glasners set up against 70% of the league, however more pragmatism is required when we come up against 3 top class midfielders. Whilst I was not a Hodgson fan, I can’t help thinking that in the last two games his tactics would have seen much closer games.

I was teasing given Lanzo's traditional habit of starting threads. The fact is Glasner has a 49% win ratio with us, by far the best in our PL history. He has talked about tweaks he makes in a public forum but his success is built around players thoroughly knowing their roles. Glasner introduced an additional man into midfield against City and we got worse. As he said after the Newcastle game, sometimes you just have to throw these isolated results in the bin and move on. If a pattern develops then he and his team will assess that but I think perhaps the last two performances could just be a reflection of our league season winding down, while we're playing teams with more motivation.

 

[Den1923]

We have to face the facts we are at best mid table team and at worst on this form future relegation contenders, talk of Europe is just a pipe dream. Both MC and Newcastle exploited our weaknesses which is lack of pace at the back, inability to deal with crosses to the far post, poor passing from defensive positions in to midfield and beyond, our lack of ideas and intensity in the final third is also of great concern. Everybody was culpable last night, including the coaching team for this performance. Eze has to be singled out as the worst player on the pitch last night and deserves to be dropped to wake him up. The talk in the press of players moving in the summer, as well as the management coaching team and DOF will have a negative effect on morale and if correct is a worry for next season.

 

[ASCPFC]

Palace would make more than 50% of the players of a combined team

Made up of all the players in the world.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Made up of all the players in the world.

No, just the four mentioned, try to understand what you read, and don't take up comedy

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

We have to face the facts we are at best mid table team and at worst on this form future relegation contenders, talk of Europe is just a pipe dream. Both MC and Newcastle exploited our weaknesses which is lack of pace at the back, inability to deal with crosses to the far post, poor passing from defensive positions in to midfield and beyond, our lack of ideas and intensity in the final third is also of great concern. Everybody was culpable last night, including the coaching team for this performance. Eze has to be singled out as the worst player on the pitch last night and deserves to be dropped to wake him up. The talk in the press of players moving in the summer, as well as the management coaching team and DOF will have a negative effect on morale and if correct is a worry for next season.

I would drop Eze, he dosent suit the role, put Sarr on the left, and give Franca a run on the right, and Nketiah instead on JP, against Arsenal, and a decent half hour for Esse.

 

[Elwissthebest]

We have to face the facts we are at best mid table team and at worst on this form future relegation contenders, talk of Europe is just a pipe dream. Both MC and Newcastle exploited our weaknesses which is lack of pace at the back, inability to deal with crosses to the far post, poor passing from defensive positions in to midfield and beyond, our lack of ideas and intensity in the final third is also of great concern. Everybody was culpable last night, including the coaching team for this performance. Eze has to be singled out as the worst player on the pitch last night and deserves to be dropped to wake him up. The talk in the press of players moving in the summer, as well as the management coaching team and DOF will have a negative effect on morale and if correct is a worry for next season.

Good, balanced post.
A reality check indeed. This sort of result always sobers talk of a top ten challenge or even Europe. We have overachieved as a club, given our gates and the money spent on the squad. Are we a bigger club than e.g. Sheffield Wednesday? I find the struggle against relegation each season strangely compelling. It was less dramatic than usual given the quality of the three promoted clubs this time. To get to 38 points is always a relief.
To win the F.A. Cup would be something and we'll never have a better chance than this time round. Had we got knocked out at the quarter finals stage, the last ten games of the season could have been used to look at some of the youngsters. Assume Guehi, Eze, Wharton (although he's well below his pre-injury form) and Mateta will leave. Start planning for next season without them. I suspect Glasner will go too.
We miss Doucoure hugely: a superb, and underestimated player.
So: a season during which there have been some great moments. Huge strides have been made under the present manager. But we are still behind Brentford, Fulham, Bournemouth, and certainly Brighton. Beyond that, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Newcastle and Liverpool can put five past you. I'd love there to be a Premiership season when we scored more than we conceded, won more than we lost. This might still happen, but ten goals without reply in the last game and three quarters suggests we've peaked.

 

[ASCPFC]

No, just the four mentioned, try to understand what you read, and don't take up comedy

Thanks for the advice. You're available for after dinner speeches?

 

[est1905]

I think its silly to get carried away after a bad result like this and start talking about wholesale changes needed or a different formation or conspiracy theories about there being 'problems behind the scenes'.
If the poor performances go on there might be something in that. For now? Lets keep it real. After the City result Glasner was honest enough to admit he experimented by taking JPM off and flooding the midfield to stop City from creating in the centre, therefore forcing them wide where we'd better deal with them. He accepted it was an experiment that failed and accepted responsibility for it.
In terms of last night I think we not only caught Newcastle at their best and in great form but couple that with a few of our players having an off night which you just cannot do at that level.
Lacroix, Eze, Munoz, Lerma, Mitchell and Sarr all put in performances that were well below the standard we have come to expect. I'm not going to slag them off because that would be unfair given how well all of those players have played in the last 10 games.
I believe we'll get a result against Bournemouth and then regroup for the Arsenal game which will be a tough game even when playing our best. I do feel Glasner has the man management skills to pick this group up and go again

 

[NEILLO]

I think its silly to get carried away after a bad result like this and start talking about wholesale changes needed or a different formation or conspiracy theories about there being 'problems behind the scenes'.
If the poor performances go on there might be something in that. For now? Lets keep it real. After the City result Glasner was honest enough to admit he experimented by taking JPM off and flooding the midfield to stop City from creating in the centre, therefore forcing them wide where we'd better deal with them. He accepted it was an experiment that failed and accepted responsibility for it.
In terms of last night I think we not only caught Newcastle at their best and in great form but couple that with a few of our players having an off night which you just cannot do at that level.
Lacroix, Eze, Munoz, Lerma, Mitchell and Sarr all put in performances that were well below the standard we have come to expect. I'm not going to slag them off because that would be unfair given how well all of those players have played in the last 10 games.
I believe we'll get a result against Bournemouth and then regroup for the Arsenal game which will be a tough game even when playing our best. I do feel Glasner has the man management skills to pick this group up and go again

My thoughts too.

In isolation last nights performance and result is bad enough, but of course it was hot on the heels of a bad day at the office on Saturday.

Newcastle are on a real high since they won the Carabao Cup and last night they were simply too good for us.

 

[PatrickA]

I think last night, the City game and even to an extent the Southampton game, show we are about where we deserve to be.

I don't see a great deal of difference between us and Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton and Fulham.
All have flirted with breaking the glass ceiling and have put good runs together followed by results bringing them crashing back to earth - just as we have now.
I rather suspect that Forest will similarly 'fail' having been in the top 4 for most of the season.
The big guns are circling them.

All a bit depressingly familiar, but at least Glasner is giving us the scope to dream

 

[Willo]

I think last night, the City game and even to an extent the Southampton game, show we are about where we deserve to be.

I don't see a great deal of difference between us and Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton and Fulham.
All have flirted with breaking the glass ceiling and have put good runs together followed by results bringing them crashing back to earth - just as we have now.
I rather suspect that Forest will similarly 'fail' having been in the top 4 for most of the season.
The big guns are circling them.

All a bit depressingly familiar, but at least Glasner is giving us the scope to dream

The last 2 games have been a bloody nightmare.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Thanks for the advice. You're available for after dinner speeches?

Always, i knock um bandy

 

[Painter]

We have to face the facts we are at best mid table team and at worst on this form future relegation contenders, talk of Europe is just a pipe dream. Both MC and Newcastle exploited our weaknesses which is lack of pace at the back, inability to deal with crosses to the far post, poor passing from defensive positions in to midfield and beyond, our lack of ideas and intensity in the final third is also of great concern. Everybody was culpable last night, including the coaching team for this performance. Eze has to be singled out as the worst player on the pitch last night and deserves to be dropped to wake him up. The talk in the press of players moving in the summer, as well as the management coaching team and DOF will have a negative effect on morale and if correct is a worry for next season.

No surprise as both Man City and Newcastle are funded by oil rich nations not individuals, its never a level playing field. Newcastle never got near Europe or winning a trophy, when Ashley owned them and run the club as a business, now they are used for sports washing dirty money.

 

[Spiderman]

No surprise as both Man City and Newcastle are funded by oil rich nations not individuals, its never a level playing field. Newcastle never got near Europe or winning a trophy, when Ashley owned them and run the club as a business, now they are used for sports washing dirty money.

Unfortunately the Ant and Dec of this world can’t ( won’t) see it. Watch the support LGBTQ rights though

 

[palace chick]

I always think it's horses for courses. Each team needs to be analysed and then set up accordingly. However, last two games the other teams easily beat us tactically. Their analysis had worked - we were barking up the wrong tree.
And I think this has to include an alternative formation. I don't think you can show up week in, week out exactly the same. You need to spring a surprise or two. Maybe this contributes to Glasner's length of time at clubs? I have no idea but it seems a little doctrinal to always play the same formation - no matter what. Maybe there's an ace up Glasner's sleeve? We play like this every game but then change in the final - bamboozling our opponents entirely.

I don’t think it was down to other teams beating us tactically. I just think it’s us not playing as tight as we have done in our great run we have had which pulled us up the table. We are all over the place, our back 3 are leaving there defensive positions and being caught up front. Munoz is more often being a headless chicken and can be found over on the left rather than down the right and his final ball has been terrible. None of the players are covering for each other. The passing has been awful and they are being caught in possession. The gaps between the defenders, midfield and forwards are massive at times and doesn’t help when you have a group of our players all charging towards an opponent who then knocks the ball through them to set up an attack. Recently we have had 4 against 2 of our defenders after our charge forward has failed and then being bypassed. We have become gun ho where we were so tight as a team. I’m not putting it down to tactics of opponents. Rather more our players being so bad all of a sudden? This seems to me as if it’s behind the scenes that has caused our downfall as the players are the same as when we were getting results in our favour?

 

[Eaglecoops]

I think its silly to get carried away after a bad result like this and start talking about wholesale changes needed or a different formation or conspiracy theories about there being 'problems behind the scenes'.
If the poor performances go on there might be something in that. For now? Lets keep it real. After the City result Glasner was honest enough to admit he experimented by taking JPM off and flooding the midfield to stop City from creating in the centre, therefore forcing them wide where we'd better deal with them. He accepted it was an experiment that failed and accepted responsibility for it.
In terms of last night I think we not only caught Newcastle at their best and in great form but couple that with a few of our players having an off night which you just cannot do at that level.
Lacroix, Eze, Munoz, Lerma, Mitchell and Sarr all put in performances that were well below the standard we have come to expect. I'm not going to slag them off because that would be unfair given how well all of those players have played in the last 10 games.
I believe we'll get a result against Bournemouth and then regroup for the Arsenal game which will be a tough game even when playing our best. I do feel Glasner has the man management skills to pick this group up and go again

I am not sure in what circumstances it’s thought a good idea to take our highest scoring centre forward off and moving our most dangerous player in that game (Sarr) into a central position where he was relatively ineffective. It was a strange move that left about 20 Palace fans in my local all scratching their heads and trying to see the point of it.

I don’t subscribe to the idea that the way to bolster the midfield is to take a striker off. Surely we should have more joy playing with a back four and strengthening the midfield by moving Lerma there to man mark DeBruyne, because let’s face it he ran the game.

Like you I’m hoping for something much better against Bournemouth but I am concerned about the mental scars allowing 10 in 2 has had.

 

[ASCPFC]

I don’t think it was down to other teams beating us tactically. I just think it’s us not playing as tight as we have done in our great run we have had which pulled us up the table. We are all over the place, our back 3 are leaving there defensive positions and being caught up front. Munoz is more often being a headless chicken and can be found over on the left rather than down the right and his final ball has been terrible. None of the players are covering for each other. The passing has been awful and they are being caught in possession. The gaps between the defenders, midfield and forwards are massive at times and doesn’t help when you have a group of our players all charging towards an opponent who then knocks the ball through them to set up an attack. Recently we have had 4 against 2 of our defenders after our charge forward has failed and then being bypassed. We have become gun ho where we were so tight as a team. I’m not putting it down to tactics of opponents. Rather more our players being so bad all of a sudden? This seems to me as if it’s behind the scenes that has caused our downfall as the players are the same as when we were getting results in our favour?

I think if you play the three at the back, you're kind of limiting any tactical flexibility. For instance, to play narrow the wing backs would be inverted. Ours wouldn't be able for that.
Also, it's been noted that Mitchell isn't much of a wing back.
If we were to go to a flatter, narrower back four against the better sides then our two defensive midfielders could either be part of a three, or we could push an attacking midfielder further up - either Eze or Kamada behind Mateta.
Then we could have attacking midfielders if narrow - or play with more width and have them providing the running down the wings, and crossing. I don't think we'd be too bad like that.

 

[Rainforest]

Back Of the Nest players ratings:

 

[Eaglecoops]

I think if you play the three at the back, you're kind of limiting any tactical flexibility. For instance, to play narrow the wing backs would be inverted. Ours wouldn't be able for that.
Also, it's been noted that Mitchell isn't much of a wing back.
If we were to go to a flatter, narrower back four against the better sides then our two defensive midfielders could either be part of a three, or we could push an attacking midfielder further up - either Eze or Kamada behind Mateta.
Then we could have attacking midfielders if narrow - or play with more width and have them providing the running down the wings, and crossing. I don't think we'd be too bad like that.

This is pretty much the point I was trying to make. I think it’s a good alternative when we are playing the top teams with strong midfields.