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Forest Hillbilly said:

"Israel advances plan for 627 settler units in occupied West Bank​

New illegal settlement tender in West Bank deepens Israeli efforts to sever Palestinian ties to Jerusalem, officials warn." (BBC website)

And not only does the world do nothing,...some countries, including the USA and UK , also supply arms and arms components to Israel, as well as supplying military intelligence.

And if you protest in the UK, you are a terrorist sympathiser, whilst your Government facilitates genocide.

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That's awful, but this is the Covid thread.

Unless I have been whooshed and you are chucking it in as another example of how the world sits back and watches evil unfold with barely a murmur of disapproval. In which case, fair enough.
 
IT failure 🙂

unlike catastrophic medical suppliers failures, Like Baroness Mone and her husband who are rich for life, thanks to emptying Government coffers with fraudulent companies.
 
Mattconrov said:
How terrible being struck off and saving the life of a man with 5 children - a decision that would have costed no other lives.

You and me disagree on everything, that's fine. No problem.

But here you are and many others showing an absolute disappearance of humanity, that makes me think of you and others with utter contempt - and that's the polite version.
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Did you not understand what I wrote.

If they get struck off or a hospital is forced to close many more than one person could lose their lives as consequences. When that one person has a very simple solution in their own hands what was decided was a no brainer decision. It was entirely correct and totally in line with the principles and ethics held by clinicians. Being willing to risk the lives of many, to preserve the life of an obsessed individual, is just wrong. Preserving the many is the humanitarian response that every clear headed individual would make.
 
I thought I'd add some lines.

Obviously I'm a supporter of those who want investigations into all that went on over covid and that obviously includes the vaccines, both what was claimed for them, how they effect us now and how people were forced under threat of losing jobs to take them and so on, arresting people in parks, for not wearing masks....the businesses lost, wealth transfer...There's a lot to look at and we note that everyone in power and media don't want to touch it with a bargepole.....even when we are suffering economically from what went on.

Nevertheless, as Dan pointed out a few years back when the vaccines were first introduced they did bring down the number of deaths significantly. Now as long as those statistics are true, and I've yet to see anything claiming otherwise then we can at least say.....that if you were in the vulnerable camp....and by that I mean elderly and with conditions that meant something like Covid could mean you kick the bucket.....then you should have taken the vaccine, because to be fair the stats show there was an effect on deaths.

If you were healthy however....or even worse a children, that's a whole different ballgame.

Now, if I remember correctly Cryst was in the immune deficiency camp and thus had a right to feel vulnerable. I really have zero criticisms for people in those situations and I believe Cryst was never part of the fruitcakes who wanted people forced or punished for not taking a sodding jab. He always seemed quite reasonable to me.

As an adult, the state shouldn't own you to the extent that you are forced to comply with everything they want when it's about what you put into your body. You should be able to hear both sides and as an adult it should be your decision.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
I thought I'd add some lines.

Obviously I'm a supporter of those who want investigations into all that went on over covid and that obviously includes the vaccines, both what was claimed for them, how they effect us now and how people were forced under threat of losing jobs to take them and so on, arresting people in parks, for not wearing masks....the businesses lost, wealth transfer...There's a lot to look at and we note that everyone in power and media don't want to touch it with a bargepole.....even when we are suffering economically from what went on.

Nevertheless, as Dan pointed out a few years back when the vaccines were first introduced they did bring down the number of deaths significantly. Now as long as those statistics are true, and I've yet to see anything claiming otherwise then we can at least say.....that if you were in the vulnerable camp....and by that I mean elderly and with conditions that meant something like Covid could mean you kick the bucket.....then you should have taken the vaccine, because to be fair the stats show there was an effect on deaths.

If you were healthy however....or even worse a children, that's a whole different ballgame.

Now, if I remember correctly Cryst was in the immune deficiency camp and thus had a right to feel vulnerable. I really have zero criticisms for people in those situations and I believe Cryst was never part of the fruitcakes who wanted people forced or punished for not taking a sodding jab. He always seemed quite reasonable to me.

As an adult, the state shouldn't own you to the extent that you are forced to comply with everything they want when it's about what you put into your body. You should be able to hear both sides and as an adult it should be your decision.
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What do you think about what Senator Roberts said - that it had been planned for decades as part of a wider global agenda?
 
McAhuna said:
What do you think about what Senator Roberts said - that it had been planned for decades as part of a wider global agenda?
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I think that would be difficult to prove, but I'm not against the investigation.

Plans for pandemics are hardly secrets, we had a plan and if I remember correct it was thrown out due to terrible projections....Was that malicious for profit or incompetence and/or scare mongering?....all worthy of investigating.....essentially it all ended up with the Gates approach.....So I certainly hope it all gets looked into.

Because we certainly haven't had the truth.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I thought I'd add some lines.

Obviously I'm a supporter of those who want investigations into all that went on over covid and that obviously includes the vaccines, both what was claimed for them, how they effect us now and how people were forced under threat of losing jobs to take them and so on, arresting people in parks, for not wearing masks....the businesses lost, wealth transfer...There's a lot to look at and we note that everyone in power and media don't want to touch it with a bargepole.....even when we are suffering economically from what went on.

Nevertheless, as Dan pointed out a few years back when the vaccines were first introduced they did bring down the number of deaths significantly. Now as long as those statistics are true, and I've yet to see anything claiming otherwise then we can at least say.....that if you were in the vulnerable camp....and by that I mean elderly and with conditions that meant something like Covid could mean you kick the bucket.....then you should have taken the vaccine, because to be fair the stats show there was an effect on deaths.

If you were healthy however....or even worse a children, that's a whole different ballgame.

Now, if I remember correctly Cryst was in the immune deficiency camp and thus had a right to feel vulnerable. I really have zero criticisms for people in those situations and I believe Cryst was never part of the fruitcakes who wanted people forced or punished for not taking a sodding jab. He always seemed quite reasonable to me.

As an adult, the state shouldn't own you to the extent that you are forced to comply with everything they want when it's about what you put into your body. You should be able to hear both sides and as an adult it should be your decision.
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What on earth are you going on about?

Getting vaccinated was never made mandatory for all. For a short time in the NHS it was for those on the front line, but that was modified to accommodate those who were sceptics. Some care workers, from outside the NHS, lost their jobs for refusing. Something upheld as reasonable in the circumstances by an Employment Tribunal, the employer citing insurance issues if they permitted unvaccinated workers to remain. Such cases were the exception though.

Deciding something entirely personal is rightly a personal choice. Only when something has the potential to impact others are they made mandatory. We haven’t banned smoking. We have just banned it in public places. Wearing masks and socially distancing are therefore in a separate category to vaccinations, in most circumstances. Although I can understand the argument that if a vaccine helps to slow the disease spreading a case can be made for it to be mandatory for all those capable of accepting it.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
What on earth are you going on about?

Getting vaccinated was never made mandatory for all. For a short time in the NHS it was for those on the front line, but that was modified to accommodate those who were sceptics. Some care workers, from outside the NHS, lost their jobs for refusing. Something upheld as reasonable in the circumstances by an Employment Tribunal, the employer citing insurance issues if they permitted unvaccinated workers to remain. Such cases were the exception though.

Deciding something entirely personal is rightly a personal choice. Only when something has the potential to impact others are they made mandatory. We haven’t banned smoking. We have just banned it in public places. Wearing masks and socially distancing are therefore in a separate category to vaccinations, in most circumstances. Although I can understand the argument that if a vaccine helps to slow the disease spreading a case can be made for it to be mandatory for all those capable of accepting it.
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Except if you need a kidney transplant obviously.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
What on earth are you going on about?

Getting vaccinated was never made mandatory for all. For a short time in the NHS it was for those on the front line, but that was modified to accommodate those who were sceptics. Some care workers, from outside the NHS, lost their jobs for refusing. Something upheld as reasonable in the circumstances by an Employment Tribunal, the employer citing insurance issues if they permitted unvaccinated workers to remain. Such cases were the exception though.

Deciding something entirely personal is rightly a personal choice. Only when something has the potential to impact others are they made mandatory. We haven’t banned smoking. We have just banned it in public places. Wearing masks and socially distancing are therefore in a separate category to vaccinations, in most circumstances. Although I can understand the argument that if a vaccine helps to slow the disease spreading a case can be made for it to be mandatory for all those capable of accepting it.
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Tell that to the care worker I know who was sacked for refusing.

Or do minimum-wage females not really count?
 
Stirlingsays said:
I think that would be difficult to prove, but I'm not against the investigation.

Plans for pandemics are hardly secrets, we had a plan and if I remember correct it was thrown out due to terrible projections....Was that malicious for profit or incompetence and/or scare mongering?....all worthy of investigating.....essentially it all ended up with the Gates approach.....So I certainly hope it all gets looked into.

Because we certainly haven't had the truth.
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Mate - Bill Gates was discussing pandemic planning with Jeffrey Epstein 2015 to 2017.
Trust me, it won't be properly looked into
 
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