It's also a (convenient) fact that almost all viruses naturally decline in potency anyway, as natural immunity builds.
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It's also a (convenient) fact that almost all viruses naturally decline in potency anyway, as natural immunity builds.
cryrst
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Almost is the key word in your post.
If you look there may be or have been some that get worse as they can evolve quicker than our immune systems or treatment for them. I really believe a lot of the issues around Covid are about the finance involved. Many did die ‘with or of covid’
There were many wrong decisions made which affected people mentally who committed suicide (I knew a palace fan who took their own life during lockdown)
Financially and physically.
I really though think doing nothing wasn’t an option. That is my opinion and accept there are others out there with different opinions. Bottom line it was guess work either way.
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But they didn't avoid the collateral damage; it happened.
Curious how a government widely regarded as one of the most ineffectual, even inept, in living memory suddenly became so clear headed and consistent in the face of this existential crisis.
Why consistently defend decisions taken? There is a difference between "I won't be locked down", and "We shouldn't have been locked down".
Financial gain is just part of the conspiracy.
Let's not forget Covid originated from 'Gain of function' research funded by USAID/EcoHealth Alliance. Over 200 scientists and virologists signed a letter to Obama about Dr. Fauci's covid related project and the dangers of it and asked to stop all activities related to it.
This was all exposed by Tulsi Gabbard
Congressional Hearing: Did you fund Gain of Function research at other biolabs around the world?
Fauci: I plead the 5th…
cryrst
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Posting all the info ref specialists and doctors etc who had an opinion is fine
Fauci a lier fine but …
You haven’t commented on my post apart from finance.
Was doing nothing an option?
Can some viruses not half life down and get worse?
Also do you think people actually survived because of the jabs and lockdowns ?
If any of these are yes then something went right.
Some big questions there. Too much for one post. So I'll try to get round to respond to one at a time. But as you are so insistent that peeps must respond 100% to your questions, there might be some questions back for you.
Q1) Was doing nothing an option?
Obviously, it was an option. It was one that Sweden took, and they had a lower death rate.
But it's not just about death rates. The disruption to young people's education and the collapse of small businesses was catastrophic. Although the latter was almost certainly part of the corrupt plan.
There is a hidden question in there. Did 'doing nothing' feel like an option at the time? Well, no it didn't, because we were subject to a well-orchestrated psyop.
Remember BBC and Sky News showing us footage of people dropping dead in the street in China and Iran? Do you think those images were real?
Even the most ardent Covid believers recognise it as a respiratory illness that brings about gradual decline. Only heart attacks or strokes cause people to drop dead in the street.
Has there been any accountability for those fake fear-mongering images being pumped out by are so trustworthy mainstream media? If not, why not?
Sweden rolled the dice and won
Q3) Also do you think people actually survived because of the jabs and lockdowns ?
No.
There may have been a tiny number of very vulnerable individuals who benefited from everyone else having to lockdown. But this is outweighed by the harm caused by lockdowns, including long-term psychological effects and suicides (such as the Palace fan you mentioned). I am guessing the Palace fan was well under the age of 83 (the average age of death from Covid). So if you calculate it as loss of life expectancy by years, his death was far more tragic than a typical covid death.
I think the jab was a crime against humanity. It is behind the rise in sudden death syndrome, and a massive rise in mortality rates amongst healthy young adults. I think long-term effects on fertility will be felt for generations.
No.
There may have been a tiny number of very vulnerable individuals who benefited from everyone else having to lockdown. But this is outweighed by the harm caused by lockdowns, including long-term psychological effects and suicides (such as the Palace fan you mentioned). I am guessing the Palace fan was well under the age of 83 (the average age of death from Covid). So if you calculate it as loss of life expectancy by years, his death was far more tragic than a typical covid death.
I think the jab was a crime against humanity. It is behind the rise in sudden death syndrome, and a massive rise in mortality rates amongst healthy young adults. I think long-term effects on fertility will be felt for generations.
But all of these questions are peripheral to the real point imo.
The entire thing was essentially orchestrated and part of the wider New World Order agenda, serving a number of wider goals. Anyone who still thinks their leaders have our best interests at heart must have their head up their arse. Covid is just one element of that.
The entire thing was essentially orchestrated and part of the wider New World Order agenda, serving a number of wider goals. Anyone who still thinks their leaders have our best interests at heart must have their head up their arse. Covid is just one element of that.
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I recall fauci stating at the start of "covid " that masks don't work. He then changed his mind. Absolute B S of a man
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Even though I hold the controversial view that there was no new disease . We could have politely locked down people over a certain age. This virus wasn't affecting young people.
I work in a place of 200 people and was considered an essential worker. We pretty much all mingled together. Masks were not asked of ( I of course refused and had a lot of fun doing that) until later in 2020 I recall at my workplace.
Social distancing was payed lip service.
No one I remember became seriously ill. No one died . This was not the Plague. Why if it was so deadly did I have to "risk my life" where others didn't.
The only disruption came from too many people testing with the extremely inadequate pcr test. Also the app that buzzed if you had been near a case. Because of these things, many healthy people want home and we struggled on with a vastly reduced workforce.
This is almost definitely why the NHS struggled in some areas between tik tok dances.
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Yep, covid moved the NWO agenda on big time. It also woke up a lot of people to the agenda. Certainly woke up our friend Matt le tissier
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Covid-19 was a virus the likes of which our generation had not seen before. Look at the devastation it caused in China, Spain & Italy before it fully hit us and then subsequently Africa & The Americas. The flu it most certainly was not.
Many lives were saved by the lockdowns and limiting contact between people. Doing nothing was not an option, no.
As for how it actually started (and why) I, like most others, do not know. But the suggestion by some on here that Covid was a ‘scam’ and was just a regular flu outbreak that then got ramped up deliberately by various Western governments or engineered by the so called ‘NWO’, is quite frankly utterly ludicrous and should be treated with the contempt that it deserves.
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Why not debate the facts instead of saying its utterly ludicrous.
1, average age of death 84.
2, People were recorded as dying of covid if they had tested positive 28 days prior to death. That meant the statistics showed a covid death even if the person died of a heart attack or cancer. Because everyone was getting tested, that inflated the numbers ridiculously.
3. The way of testing for a positive test was with the Pcr test. The test that isn't a test, it's an Amplification tool for genetic materials.
The pcr only needed to find a fragment of the genome. This lead to many people testing positive and feeling fine.
The lockdowns caused enormous strain and suffering to many. Suicide, missed cancer diagnosis and people set adrift from their families. This affected the old more than most.
We were told by Johnson we would all lose loved ones. I lost no one and I think I've barely meet anyone who did. No one died of covid in of itself, you died with it. The final kick in the bollox towards the inevitable death from your existing illness.
It's an insult to the many who died of existing issues and labeled covid deaths that makes my blood boil.
You've provided no evidence the lockdowns saved lives. I have provided evidence how they destroyed lives.
This is just me warming up by the way. Lol
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It's worth a reminder to say that we were told by the "medical experts and Johnson, 3 weeks to flatten the curve. This turned our to be well over a year. The social distancing for an airborne disease is laughable.
People putting on face nappies to buy food in restaurants but then able to take them off when eating.
People on trains allowed to not wear face nappies if they were eating. Bloody laughable if it wasn't so sad. Absolutely no science in it what so ever. A monty python sketch.
The real culprit of the story is the fake vaccine jab. I've meet so many people who claim to have been affected by that.
Unfortunately they don't seem to have a voice .
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Mattconrov
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Cover your eyes and put your fingers in your ears.
"Conspiracy nutters" lol. They bloody told us beforehand.
If we try to step back and try be objective, it's interesting to observe how the Overton Window of debate and argument has shifted. This whole thread is a good example.
2020/21: The consensus was that people should be fined, fired or even imprisoned for breaching lockdown restrictions, or for saying 'my body, my choice' about the jab. There were calls from mainstream public figures to treat the unvaccinated like lepers, to punish them.
Even the vaccine-injured were punished, their stories censored, their support groups banned from social media.
To suggest the pandemic was fake was heresy, inviting derision at best - vilification, ostracisation, and punishment at worst.
2026: The debate is not about whether the authorities/media lied - everyone sentient accepts that they did. The debate is now about how much they lied, and why.
The debate is not whether the public purse was scammed, the debate is by how much and by who.
The debate is whether the virus even existed, or whether it was deliberately spread for nefarious purposes.
The debate is no longer over whether the unvaccinated should be imprisoned, but instead over whether leading public officials are the ones who should instead be imprisoned
Where will the debate be by 2030/31, I wonder?
2020/21: The consensus was that people should be fined, fired or even imprisoned for breaching lockdown restrictions, or for saying 'my body, my choice' about the jab. There were calls from mainstream public figures to treat the unvaccinated like lepers, to punish them.
Even the vaccine-injured were punished, their stories censored, their support groups banned from social media.
To suggest the pandemic was fake was heresy, inviting derision at best - vilification, ostracisation, and punishment at worst.
2026: The debate is not about whether the authorities/media lied - everyone sentient accepts that they did. The debate is now about how much they lied, and why.
The debate is not whether the public purse was scammed, the debate is by how much and by who.
The debate is whether the virus even existed, or whether it was deliberately spread for nefarious purposes.
The debate is no longer over whether the unvaccinated should be imprisoned, but instead over whether leading public officials are the ones who should instead be imprisoned
Where will the debate be by 2030/31, I wonder?
That's the thing. The evidence is in plain sight for anyone who can be arsed to get off the sofa and look for it.
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Of course we can't tell the "normies" why they inform us of their plans beforehand.
I just say they tell us out of arrogance.