Main Stand redevelopment thread

[dreamwaverider]

Can I ask a genuine question.

I’ve not followed this thread properly as its on its off, its on its off etc and to be fair I lost interest.

But could somebody please just tell me… is this actually happening. Without reading nearly 100 pages of thread. Is this actually being built at the moment and going ahead as planned. Thanks

No. And I would very much doubt it will be. The current majority stakeholders are currently trying to sell their shares based on a ludicrous valuation of £900m. Absurd.

 

[Username]

A very good question. Something else that the Board/SP has been very quiet upon and bearing in mind it is only way we could ever increase our overall income (assuming that we aren't in the Championship or worse and could actuall fill it).

Literally a link to an update a couple of posts above this that says the next stage will begin this month: Crystal Palace F.C.

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

 

[mtp1958]

Just realised something its very similar to the 1980 design. so its a modern design tobe eco friendly

 

[grumpymort]

More utube fantasy. (Funny how it ignores that a Sainsbury is there)

That look is not going to appeal to investors which is why we went with the design we did.

I'm not sure in current location we are allowed to go upto 45k anyway the council was difficult with the current stand which is another reason we need to just move and look at the long term bigger picture.

200m+ for one stand (8k increase in capacity) or build a new stadium which is close to 50k capacity with head room for expansion for 600m.

 

[Spindle]

Can I ask a genuine question.

I’ve not followed this thread properly as its on its off, its on its off etc and to be fair I lost interest.

But could somebody please just tell me… is this actually happening. Without reading nearly 100 pages of thread. Is this actually being built at the moment and going ahead as planned. Thanks

No.

 

[joe_cpfc]

Literally a link to an update a couple of posts above this that says the next stage will begin this month: Crystal Palace F.C.

Good update and shows the massive amount of work that has already been done and still needs to be done before we start seeing something exciting happening. A lot of fans become financial and building experts but in reality we all know f*** all about the finances involved and building football stadiums, especially in that area and the tight space its in. Then what with covid and the price hikes etc it must have been a nightmare. Must take some doing.

 

[Norbury Old Git]

Good update and shows the massive amount of work that has already been done and still needs to be done before we start seeing something exciting happening. A lot of fans become financial and building experts but in reality we all know f*** all about the finances involved and building football stadiums, especially in that area and the tight space its in. Then what with covid and the price hikes etc it must have been a nightmare. Must take some doing.

I quite agree. The younger fan base seem to know little about our Club and make stupid statements about our ability to fill the ground. We have one of the highest rates of attendance to capacity in the Premier League and are restricted by the size of the ground both physically and financially. The transport infrastructure is rubbish with many struggling to get home after matches, even me who lives only two miles away. The facilities in the ground are poor and the Club assumes that fans only want to eat junk food. For those who have not had the pleasure of watching the game in the Whitehorse Lane stand, the walkway gets so overcrowded both at half time and at the final whistle so that we are the last stand to empty. The toilets are inadequate and it appears the tepid water has been turned off again. Facilities in the Arthur and Main Stands are no better. We desperately need a major stadium upgrade.
Will we fill a new ground? Of course we will, even in the Championship. Palace hold the record attendance and average for the fourth tier of English Football. Our record crowd was in the Second Division and crowds over 30k were not uncommon in the top two divisions. We still get crowds of over 40k for our Wembley visits despite the price hikes.
We live in the most populous Borough in London (400k) with an immediate population close by exceeding Manchester and Liverpool combined (the cities not Metropolitan areas). There is no reason why we cannot fill a 40k plus stadium.

 

[ASCPFC]

Great to see that this is definitely happening and will be done soon.

 

[Casual]

The drainage work started yesterday

The

club are apparently awaiting

permission from the council regarding drainage before they can commence further work.
I have no idea why that has taken so long, but it does make the promise of more work in November seem a little optimistic.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

The drainage work started yesterday

I'm just reporting what I have read. There might be wriggle room to get some work done. That would be good.

 

[ASCPFC]

I'm just reporting what I have read. There might be wriggle room to get some work done. That would be good.

They said they are putting water tanks in due to the ground water flooding, or at least preparing for that.

 

[Casual]

The soakaway tank work started yesterday 100%

I'm just reporting what I have read. There might be wriggle

room to get some work done. That would be good.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

The soakaway tank work started yesterday 100%

Condition 7:

Development shall not commence (other than site clearance and site preparation, and the demolition of properties and associated works in Wooderson Close)

i) other than in accordance with the submitted Flood Risk Assessment and Drainage Strategy (Mott Macdonald, 31st Jan 2018, document reference: 392351 MMD-00_RP-C-003) and Addendum to Flood Risk Assessment (Mott Macdonald, March 2018, document Ref: 392351-MMD-00-RP-C-004 Rev 001), and a memo and letter produced by Lyons O'Neil reference 22079/LON/230522 and 22079/LON/15072022; and

ii) until a finalised drainage strategy has been submitted to and approved by the Local Planning Authority in consultation with the sewerage undertaker and the Lead Local Flooding Authority. No discharge of foul or surface water from the site shall be accepted into the public system until the drainage works referred to in the strategy have been completed. The drainage strategy required under paragraph ii) of this condition shall provide for the following:

1) Details of any on and/or off site drainage works;
2) Updated supporting calculations showing:
a. Proposed discharge rate of 12.93l/s for the 1 in 100 year plus 40% allowance for a climate change storm event without flooding, proposed storage volume to be updated accordingly; and
b. Details to be provided to show how the discharge rate for the 1 in 1 year and 1 in 30 year storm event will be limited to the equivalent 1 in 1 year and 1 in 30 year greenfield run-off rates respectively, including detailed design drawings of the flow control structure.
3) Details of the proposed mitigation measures for exceedance flows greater than the 1 in 100 year plus 40% allowance for a climate change storm event, and in the event of drainage system failure;
4) Evidence of confirmation from Thames Water that the proposed surface and foul water discharge rates and connections points are acceptable;
5) A Drainage Layout Plan (to scale) of the final drainage scheme in line with the requirements of a Drainage Strategy Layout Plan as stated in section 8.2 of Croydon's LLFA requirements for sustainable drainage proposals supporting Full Planning Permission, and in particular confirming the location and dimensions of all SUDS features;
6) An assessment of whether further permeable paving can be provided to the Selhurst Park car park and whether a rainwater harvesting tank (or grey water tank) is feasible for part of the works; and
7) Details of the management and maintenance for all SUDS and how they will be secured for the lifetime of the development (maintenance plan). Furthermore, detail to be provided with regards to upgrading, management and maintenance of the existing pumping stations, including details of the proposed addition of a back-up pump and telemetry system.

REASON: To ensure that the development achieves as close as reasonable greenfield run-off rates in line with policy and to prevent the development from causing flooding. The development in particular may lead to sewage flooding as such the condition is needed to ensure that sufficient capacity is made available to cope with the new development and in order to avoid adverse environmental impact upon the community.



Condition 29

No piling shall take place until a Piling Method Statement has been submitted to and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority. The Piling Method Statement must detail the depth and type of piling to be undertaken and the methodology by which such piling will be carried out, including measures to prevent and minimise the potential for damage to subsurface water infrastructure. Additionally the Piling Method Statement must demonstrate that there will be no resultant unacceptable risk to groundwater.

Any piling must be undertaken in accordance with the terms of the approved Piling Method Statement.

REASON: The proposed works will be in close proximity to underground water utility infrastructure. Piling has the potential to impact on local underground water utility infrastructure.

 

[Faz]

Do we perceive a budget overspend by £1M taking place ?
With a 12 month project delay ?

 

[pax3908]

Condition 7:

Development shall not commence (other than site clearance and site preparation, and the demolition of properties and associated works in Wooderson Close)

i) other than in accordance with the submitted Flood Risk Assessment and Drainage Strategy (Mott Macdonald, 31st Jan 2018, document reference: 392351 MMD-00_RP-C-003) and Addendum to Flood Risk Assessment (Mott Macdonald, March 2018, document Ref: 392351-MMD-00-RP-C-004 Rev 001), and a memo and letter produced by Lyons O'Neil reference 22079/LON/230522 and 22079/LON/15072022; and

ii) until a finalised drainage strategy has been submitted to and approved by the Local Planning Authority in consultation with the sewerage undertaker and the Lead Local Flooding Authority. No discharge of foul or surface water from the site shall be accepted into the public system until the drainage works referred to in the strategy have been completed. The drainage strategy required under paragraph ii) of this condition shall provide for the following:

1) Details of any on and/or off site drainage works;
2) Updated supporting calculations showing:
a. Proposed discharge rate of 12.93l/s for the 1 in 100 year plus 40% allowance for a climate change storm event without flooding, proposed storage volume to be updated accordingly; and
b. Details to be provided to show how the discharge rate for the 1 in 1 year and 1 in 30 year storm event will be limited to the equivalent 1 in 1 year and 1 in 30 year greenfield run-off rates respectively, including detailed design drawings of the flow control structure.
3) Details of the proposed mitigation measures for exceedance flows greater than the 1 in 100 year plus 40% allowance for a climate change storm event, and in the event of drainage system failure;
4) Evidence of confirmation from Thames Water that the proposed surface and foul water discharge rates and connections points are acceptable;
5) A Drainage Layout Plan (to scale) of the final drainage scheme in line with the requirements of a Drainage Strategy Layout Plan as stated in section 8.2 of Croydon's LLFA requirements for sustainable drainage proposals supporting Full Planning Permission, and in particular confirming the location and dimensions of all SUDS features;
6) An assessment of whether further permeable paving can be provided to the Selhurst Park car park and whether a rainwater harvesting tank (or grey water tank) is feasible for part of the works; and
7) Details of the management and maintenance for all SUDS and how they will be secured for the lifetime of the development (maintenance plan). Furthermore, detail to be provided with regards to upgrading, management and maintenance of the existing pumping stations, including details of the proposed addition of a back-up pump and telemetry system.

REASON: To ensure that the development achieves as close as reasonable greenfield run-off rates in line with policy and to prevent the development from causing flooding. The development in particular may lead to sewage flooding as such the condition is needed to ensure that sufficient capacity is made available to cope with the new development and in order to avoid adverse environmental impact upon the community.



Condition 29

No piling shall take place until a Piling Method Statement has been submitted to and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority. The Piling Method Statement must detail the depth and type of piling to be undertaken and the methodology by which such piling will be carried out, including measures to prevent and minimise the potential for damage to subsurface water infrastructure. Additionally the Piling Method Statement must demonstrate that there will be no resultant unacceptable risk to groundwater.

Any piling must be undertaken in accordance with the terms of the approved Piling Method Statement.

REASON: The proposed works will be in close proximity to underground water utility infrastructure. Piling has the potential to impact on local underground water utility infrastructure.

Have a word with Luton FC,they've diverted a river,and are half way to finishing there new ground,about the same size as Palaces proposed stand and alterations,only it only started last year,what a shambles our development is ☹️

 

[Painter]

Have a word with Luton FC,they've diverted a river,and are half way to finishing there new ground,about the same size as Palaces proposed stand and alterations,only it only started last year,what a shambles our development is ☹️

Totally different projects. Lutons is a new stadium in a different location to Kenilworth Rd. They haven't the logistical nightmare of replacing an old stand with a new one and still playing games with building works going on, so work doesn't need to stop to ensure safety of fans attending matches.

 

[Norbury Old Git]

They said they are putting water tanks in due to the ground water flooding, or at least preparing for that.

Groundwater flooding? Selhurst Park is up a hill and 22m above the Wandle River and Beddington Sewerage Works. Seems to me another excuse by the Council Planning Team to scupper our new stand. Probably Chelsea fans.

 

[Racehorse-80s]

More utube fantasy. (Funny how it ignores that a Sainsbury is there)

That look is not going to appeal to investors which is why we went with the design we did.

I'm not sure in current location we are allowed to go upto 45k anyway the council was difficult with the current stand which is another reason we need to just move and look at the long term bigger picture.

200m+ for one stand (8k increase in capacity) or build a new stadium which is close to 50k capacity with head room for expansion for 600m.

To sum up your post , You can't polish a turd ..

 

[Teddy Eagle]

To sum up your post , You can't polish a turd ..

That's my evening wasted then.