Lawfare.....not Warfare. But still nasty.....

[Forest Hillbilly]

That is the nub of the matter. Brand's reputation has been well known for decades the prosecution are going to have to prove that the victim did not consent.

I'm not sure what evidence they will have, doubtful any forensic besides Brand will probably admit they had sex but it was consensual.

If it comes downs to he said she said I would not find him guilty.

So watch this space.

Exactly, with no evidence , it's just their word against his. And the fact this wasn't reported at the time, wouldn't be looked on favourably. Innocent, until proven guilty.

 

[DanH]

Again, sexual behaviour I don't like isn't rape.

I was criticising Brand for how he was back when he was on the left and you had pin drops from the left. Now he himself criticises this behaviour.

Brand must have gone to bed with thousands of women, I regard this claim to be highly dubious, whereas you seem to want to convict on 'he said, she said'.

That isn't justice.



My mate said something about something else.....So that's a good reason for you to believe them isn't it Dan.

Come on.

As for comedy agents.....I think I everybody knows now that the comedy circuit have lost credibility when it comes to treating people fairly. If you don't follow their political line you become their enemy.

At best an insufferable know it all, at worst someone trying to shrug off rape claims against a well known predator as political.

Stomach churning.

 

[Stirlingsays]

At best an insufferable know it all, at worst someone trying to shrug off rape claims against a well known predator as political.

Stomach churning.

Tips hat.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Well if Kings, Presidents, Doctors, FiFA bosses, & Religious Leaders are never to be seen as 'above the Law' , then neither are Judges.

Protesters chant after arrest of judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

Protesters are chanting and marching outside the FBI on Saturday after agents arrested a Milwaukee judge accused of helping a man evade immigration authorities.

apnews.com

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Well if Kings, Presidents, Doctors, FiFA bosses, & Religious Leaders are never to be seen as 'above the Law' , then neither are Judges.

Protesters chant after arrest of judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

Protesters are chanting and marching outside the FBI on Saturday after agents arrested a Milwaukee judge accused of helping a man evade immigration authorities.

apnews.com

They most certainly are not BUT in their own Courthouse they are the law. The FBI agents, acting on behalf of an obviously politicised AG were well out of order.

Arresting any Judge in these circumstances is yet more evidence of the autocratic regime in the USA now trying to subvert democracy.

Challenging the Independence of Universities. Arresting Judges. What’s next? Martial law?

 

[ASCPFC]

They most certainly are not BUT in their own Courthouse they are the law. The FBI agents, acting on behalf of an obviously politicised AG were well out of order.

Arresting any Judge in these circumstances is yet more evidence of the autocratic regime in the USA now trying to subvert democracy.

Challenging the Independence of Universities. Arresting Judges. What’s next? Martial law?

I think you'll find that being in a courthouse still requires you to follow the law of the country you are in.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I think you'll find that being in a courthouse still requires you to follow the law of the country you are in.

Of course, but the decisions of how the law is applied are the responsibility of the Judge involved. Everyone else, Federal Agents included, are bound by that

 

[ASCPFC]

Of course, but the decisions of how the law is applied are the responsibility of the Judge involved. Everyone else, Federal Agents included, are bound by that

No they are not. Police/ agents arrest you. Then prosecutors decide whether to prosecute you or not. The judge decides on either appropriate sentence or guilt/ culpability - depending on the level of court. They do not literally control or even uphold the law. They judge - but others decide who they bring to judgement. This judge will now face their judgement. Frankly, I doubt it will be too serious as they will always look after their own.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

No they are not. Police/ agents arrest you. Then prosecutors decide whether to prosecute you or not. The judge decides on either appropriate sentence or guilt/ culpability - depending on the level of court. They do not literally control or even uphold the law. They judge - but others decide who they bring to judgement. This judge will now face their judgement. Frankly, I doubt it will be too serious as they will always look after their own.

I didn’t suggest they made the law, nor that they don’t have to abide by it like everyone. As you say, they do though judge what the law is. That’s their expertise and duty.

They do that in their courtroom. If they were suspected of breaking a law the place to arrest them was outside their courtroom. To do it inside demeans their status and is extremely disrespectful. It sends a very bad message about the way an administration is thinking and behaving. It drives a wedge between those who make the law and those who administer it. It’s unhealthy. It’s unnecessary. It’s a deliberate political move by a politicised Justice Department trying to make a public statement.

This could end with Judges deciding they need security to screen out and refuse entry to anyone from the Courtroom premises who is not directly concerned with the case being heard. Including Federal officers and officials. It’s their space and whilst there they control it. It’s not a public park.

This is but one example of a very obvious trend towards the abandonment of well established democratic norms.

 

[cryrst]

I didn’t suggest they made the law, nor that they don’t have to abide by it like everyone. As you say, they do though judge what the law is. That’s their expertise and duty.

They do that in their courtroom. If they were suspected of breaking a law the place to arrest them was outside their courtroom. To do it inside demeans their status and is extremely disrespectful. It sends a very bad message about the way an administration is thinking and behaving. It drives a wedge between those who make the law and those who administer it. It’s unhealthy. It’s unnecessary. It’s a deliberate political move by a politicised Justice Department trying to make a public statement.

This could end with Judges deciding they need security to screen out and refuse entry to anyone from the Courtroom premises who is not directly concerned with the case being heard. Including Federal officers and officials. It’s their space and whilst there they control it. It’s not a public park.

This is but one example of a very obvious trend towards the abandonment of well established democratic norms.

Although their expertise not doubted they can also be swayed on the outcome and punishment depending on their personal views. Any of us can be swayed by that.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Although their expertise not doubted they can also be swayed on the outcome and punishment depending on their personal views. Any of us can be swayed by that.

It’s off the subject but they are trained to disregard any personal opinions.

Just as an attorney can dislike a client and believe them to be both guilty of the charge and deserving of a severe sentence they can still defend them. It’s their job.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Challenging the Independence of Universities.

Hotbeds of misanthropy. Man-hating departments of Feminism & wimmins studies. Antifa's Vatican. Abortionists who giggle over a catastrophic fall in fertility in places like Japan, Italy, South Korea and middle-america.


They can echo-chamber all their vitriol all they like, but not on the public-purse. Trump has introduced the abstract notion of 'political accountability' back to a bunch of purple-haired bolt-nosed harpies.

And for every Professor of womens studies in the Ivy League, who mows the lawn in her posh mansion ? probably a Trump voting Mexican man ?

 

[PalazioVecchio]

And separately from any other diatribes...........i wonder what Trump would have done to the funding of the Uni mentioned below ?

Pictured: Diversity officer in front of

A picture of Bahar Mustafa, student union Welfare and Diversity Officer at Goldsmiths University in London, pretending to cry was posted online shortly after she was accused of discrimination.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Badger11]

Hotbeds of misanthropy. Man-hating departments of Feminism & wimmins studies. Antifa's Vatican. Abortionists who giggle over a catastrophic fall in fertility in places like Japan, Italy, South Korea and middle-america.


They can echo-chamber all their vitriol all they like, but not on the public-purse. Trump has introduced the abstract notion of 'political accountability' back to a bunch of purple-haired bolt-nosed harpies.

And for every Professor of womens studies in the Ivy League, who mows the lawn in her posh mansion ? probably a Trump voting Mexican man ?

LOL

 

[ASCPFC]

Hotbeds of misanthropy. Man-hating departments of Feminism & wimmins studies. Antifa's Vatican. Abortionists who giggle over a catastrophic fall in fertility in places like Japan, Italy, South Korea and middle-america.


They can echo-chamber all their vitriol all they like, but not on the public-purse. Trump has introduced the abstract notion of 'political accountability' back to a bunch of purple-haired bolt-nosed harpies.

And for every Professor of womens studies in the Ivy League, who mows the lawn in her posh mansion ? probably a Trump voting Mexican man ?

You're describing universities 10/20 years ago. They've gone well past that now. Most women's studies (all?) is largely shut down. To be replaced by gender studies, of course.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Hotbeds of misanthropy. Man-hating departments of Feminism & wimmins studies. Antifa's Vatican. Abortionists who giggle over a catastrophic fall in fertility in places like Japan, Italy, South Korea and middle-america.


They can echo-chamber all their vitriol all they like, but not on the public-purse. Trump has introduced the abstract notion of 'political accountability' back to a bunch of purple-haired bolt-nosed harpies.

And for every Professor of womens studies in the Ivy League, who mows the lawn in her posh mansion ? probably a Trump voting Mexican man ?

Perhaps your cynicism has obscured its contribution to the world’s knowledge as the leading research institution in the leading country in the world. A place where many future Presidents studied. Or perhaps, like Trump, you just don’t care.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Perhaps your cynicism has obscured its contribution to the world’s knowledge as the leading research institution in the leading country in the world. A place where many future Presidents studied. Or perhaps, like Trump, you just don’t care.

A place which pays no tax and has an endowment of $53 billion.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

A place which pays no tax and has an endowment of $53 billion.

It’s a world class centre of excellence that has over the years, almost certainly, delivered much more value to the USA, and the world, than ever it cost.

The problem, of course, being that it’s impossible to realistically measure it.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It’s a world class centre of excellence that has over the years, almost certainly, delivered much more value to the USA, and the world, than ever it cost.

The problem, of course, being that it’s impossible to realistically measure it.

Of course. I have that problem as well. Even so $53 billion should be enough to rub along on.

 

[Xong Kudu]

Potentially bent/biased judges need arresting arguably more than anyone otherwise the whole system collapses. Once charged, leave it to normal justice to prevail. To say otherwise is perverse.

We have a crazy situation in the US where many lower judges have become nothing more than willing political porns or activists to derail a President they don’t agree with. No side is perfect but this trend seems particularly prevalent towards left leaning judges who are all too ready to put the knife into Trump and by doing so have set a dangerous tit for tat precedent and risk moving a civilised country to a banana republic. I’m sure like many middle class couples at dinner parties, these judges feel they have a superior moral prerogative to aggressively spew their sense of right and wrong even it it means straying away from the confines of the law and their job parameters.