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Labour Party politics

Wisbech Eagle said:
So you do have faith in governments!

So long as they do what you want! Which is very Victorian in concept. You need to define essentials.

Presumably no welfare at all. No NHS. No BBC. Workhouses for the poor and disabled.
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Oh the irony.

Blame the government back in the day for giving the public a Brexit vote - but thats different one would assume - and completely fine to be at odds with.

Yet someone else has an opinion - and boom.

Just for the record, not a Reform voter or Brexiteer before you throw that out.
 
I doubt there is an easy answer what we do know is that the welfare bill has been going up massively at the same time as the number of people out of work has been increasing.

Quite how you separate the deserving from the undeserving is the £5bn pound question.

Starmer has dropped the ball, as for the rebels in his party plus the opposition, well let's hear what their big idea is?

Easy to say this is rubbish a lot harder to say I have a better idea.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
So you do have faith in governments!

So long as they do what you want! Which is very Victorian in concept. You need to define essentials.

Presumably no welfare at all. No NHS. No BBC. Workhouses for the poor and disabled.
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Not at all. They are a necessary evil. I have little faith that they will do well with the essentials that are needed. Certainly a very different NHS, no BBC. Do you describe care-homes etc as workhouses? (Actually some workhouses were quite good!)
 
Teddy Eagle said:
I don't understand the point here. Those who've worked all their life, raised a family and paid off their mortgage after 25 years of struggling should move out to provide somewhere for someone else to live? Well, guess what? Life is hard for working people. Is this news? If it is then wake up and lower your expectations.
Think of all those inheritances coming down the line. No one I know ever got left a bean because their families didn't have anything to leave after a lifetime of work.
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The point is I don't think the owners of incredibly valuable assets should continue to benefit more from government resources than people who own nothing and have no prospect of ever owning anything - I don't get why that's controversial.

If the consequence of that is some people have to sell their homes for many times what they paid for it, that's hardly a crying tragedy, is it? (Before the emotive pensioner stuff flies in again, for pensioners who are in genuine need of support, yes it absolutely should be available.)

Economically, life is much harder now for working people - that's precisely why policies still geared towards the richest demographic in society are nonsensical.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
The point is I don't think the owners of incredibly valuable assets should continue to benefit more from government resources than people who own nothing and have no prospect of ever owning anything - I don't get why that's controversial.

If the consequence of that is some people have to sell their homes for many times what they paid for it, that's hardly a crying tragedy, is it? (Before the emotive pensioner stuff flies in again, for pensioners who are in genuine need of support, yes it absolutely should be available.)

Economically, life is much harder now for working people - that's precisely why policies still geared towards the richest demographic in society are nonsensical.
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Who are they going to sell these houses to?
 
Teddy Eagle said:
I am sympathetic to people, particularly in London where prices are crazy but if they can't afford to buy a house now then how are they going to afford these?
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Houses still sell - first-time buyers obviously struggle, but there are still an enormous volume of successful property sales a year.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
The point is I don't think the owners of incredibly valuable assets should continue to benefit more from government resources than people who own nothing and have no prospect of ever owning anything - I don't get why that's controversial.

If the consequence of that is some people have to sell their homes for many times what they paid for it, that's hardly a crying tragedy, is it? (Before the emotive pensioner stuff flies in again, for pensioners who are in genuine need of support, yes it absolutely should be available.)

Economically, life is much harder now for working people - that's precisely why policies still geared towards the richest demographic in society are nonsensical.
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Hello again !

Here’s my view ;

I didn’t work for 49 years for anybody else’s benefit but my own and my family
The benefits I get from the Government amount to the State Pension and NHS - that’s it. The WFA ? I’m not in dire need.
If I choose to sell my house it would be to realise some equity in it. In my particular case that would not be a lot but it might sustain a better standard of living for a few years
My intention and aspiration is to leave whatever property I own to my children, so hanging onto it as long as possible makes sense but of course values go down as well as up.
Yes, life is tough for young people. Has it ever been easy ? I underperformed at school and left with hardly any qualifications. So I had to really apply myself in the working world to get anywhere.
I brought my children up with a work ethic. You want the nice stuff then you have to earn it. And I’m proud to say they took that on board and outstripped any of my achievements.

If that makes me a self serving capitalist so be it.

Anyway, time to check the stock portfolio and pour another G and T
 
NEILLO said:
Hello again !

Here’s my view ;

I didn’t work for 49 years for anybody else’s benefit but my own and my family
The benefits I get from the Government amount to the State Pension and NHS - that’s it. The WFA ? I’m not in dire need.
If I choose to sell my house it would be to realise some equity in it. In my particular case that would not be a lot but it might sustain a better standard of living for a few years
My intention and aspiration is to leave whatever property I own to my children, so hanging onto it as long as possible makes sense but of course values go down as well as up.
Yes, life is tough for young people. Has it ever been easy ? I underperformed at s and left with hardly any qualifications. to really apply myself in the working world to get anywhere.
I brought my children up with a work ethic. You want the nice stuff then you have to earn it. And I’m proud to say they took that on board and outstripped any of my achievements.

If that makes me a self serving capitalist so be it.

Anyway, time to check the stock portfolio and pour another G and T
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Who is suggesting otherwise?

Economically, life is objectively tougher for young people now. That doesn’t mean it’s ever been easy, no.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
If there is an enormous volume then why should pensioners have to sell up too?
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We’re going round in circles a bit.

No one should be forced to sell their house - I find that weird framing.

If they can’t afford their living expenses without top ups from the state, whilst sitting on a hugely expensive asset, they shouldn’t be eligible for said top ups.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Not looking good for Rachel Reeves.

www.thesun.co.uk

Rachel Reeves in TEARS in Commons after Starmer refuses to publicly back her

RACHEL Reeves was in tears this afternoon as Sir Keir Starmer refused to publicly back her amid the welfare fiasco. Tears trickled down the Chancellor’s cheek as she sat beside the PM in the …
www.thesun.co.uk www.thesun.co.uk
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If it was a row between her and Starmer about work sorry girl but suck it up.

If it was genuinely a personal matter unrelated to work then I sympathise.
 
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