Labour Party politics

[Matov]

How would we take control?

Through alliances with other Right Wing parties. European elections are almost always good for Right wing votes. Its how initally UKIP, and then the Brexit Party, established a foothold.

And lets say we rejoin. There would naturally be an anti-EU party emerging. Be easy to stir up people to vote for it once more. Join those votes in the European Parliament with those of the AFD and the Front National and the Brothers of Italy, along with all the other Right Wing parties, and suddenly its a huge voting block.

My/our desire for a genuine Right Wing party is never going to materialise. Even with a majority in Parliament it would face the entire judicary and civil service doing everything to scupper it. Ditto with the Royals.

We need to start thinking in a far bigger way. Otherwises it is just going to be a waiting game until it all implodes under its own contradictions. And that is going to be very messy.

But if we take control of the EU...then we get to make our own laws. And the UK will then have to implement them. That's the point. The UK establishment have us in a trap. We need to change the game.

 

[georgenorman]

Through alliances with other Right Wing parties. European elections are almost always good for Right wing votes. Its how initally UKIP, and then the Brexit Party, established a foothold.

And lets say we rejoin. There would naturally be an anti-EU party emerging. Be easy to stir up people to vote for it once more. Join those votes in the European Parliament with those of the AFD and the Front National and the Brothers of Italy, along with all the other Right Wing parties, and suddenly its a huge voting block.

My/our desire for a genuine Right Wing party is never going to materialise. Even with a majority in Parliament it would face the entire judicary and civil service doing everything to scupper it. Ditto with the Royals.

We need to start thinking in a far bigger way. Otherwises it is just going to be a waiting game until it all implodes under its own contradictions. And that is going to be very messy.

But if we take control of the EU...then we get to make our own laws. And the UK will then have to implement them. That's the point. The UK establishment have us in a trap. We need to change the game.

But elected MEPs have no power, they can’t make laws, that’s the main problem with the EU.

 

[Matov]

But elected MEPs have no power, that’s the main problem with the EU.

Very true. And the system of Commissioners needs to be dismantled. But the EU is a far more flimsy political construct than our own Government.

What I am proposing sounds complete nuts. I get that. But as somebody who wastes far too much time thinking about this kind of thing, I genuinely cannot see anyway forward in terms of conventional UK politics.

They jail our guys for throwing plastic bottles for two years. And allow foreign illegals to sexually assault teenage girls and only jail them for a year. We have to accept this. They have our number and we are never going to be able to break them. s***, they even have people like Tommy Robinson acting as lightning rods. And don't start me on this 'Tommo' chancer. b****** might as well have MI5 tattooed on his forehead.

But with a resurgent Right in Europe then perhaps there is a chance. If we are back in the EU, then the UK system is designed in such as way that it has to take their laws on board. Even more so, second time around if it happens. Our fight is the same as natives in Berlin. Or Paris. Or Rome. This is the point.

Now is it likely to happen? LOL. Probably not.

But as they sing in one of my favourite musicals!....'You got to have a dream'!

 

[georgenorman]

Very true. And the system of Commissioners needs to be dismantled. But the EU is a far more flimsy political construct than our own Government.

What I am proposing sounds complete nuts. I get that. But as somebody who wastes far too much time thinking about this kind of thing, I genuinely cannot see anyway forward in terms of conventional UK politics.

They jail our guys for throwing plastic bottles for two years. And allow foreign illegals to sexually assault teenage girls and only jail them for a year. We have to accept this. They have our number and we are never going to be able to break them. s***, they even have people like Tommy Robinson acting as lightning rods. And don't start me on this 'Tommo' chancer. b****** might as well have MI5 tattooed on his forehead.

But with a resurgent Right in Europe then perhaps there is a chance. If we are back in the EU, then the UK system is designed in such as way that it has to take their laws on board. Even more so, second time around if it happens. Our fight is the same as natives in Berlin. Or Paris. Or Rome. This is the point.

Now is it likely to happen? LOL. Probably not.

But as they sing in one of my favourite musicals!....'You got to have a dream'!

There is no mechanism within the EU Parliament to dismantle the system of Commissioners.

 

[Matov]

There is no mechanism within the EU Parliament to dismantle the system of Commissioners.

They can reject them. I also believe that they can, with I believe a 2/3 majority, force them all to resign but I concede its a big ask.

However, what would matter is the notion of the Right Wing Bloc. Would act as a rallying point.

I concede I am clutching at straws but there needs to be a genuine game-changer and I just don't see it happening in the UK. There is definitely a collective sense of disquiet around much of the Western World. and that needs to be tapped into.

The jailing of that guy for two years is really rubbing our faces in this two-tier stuff, especially given the leniency shown to all kinds of other crimes. The legal system actively seeks to give the Left full on protection. We have legal bods on the Right (there is a fantastic fella racking up some serious wins when it comes to appealing Mosque planning permission applications), but in the criminal justice system itself, then very little.

 

[DanH]

They can reject them. I also believe that they can, with I believe a 2/3 majority, force them all to resign but I concede its a big ask.

However, what would matter is the notion of the Right Wing Bloc. Would act as a rallying point.

I concede I am clutching at straws but there needs to be a genuine game-changer and I just don't see it happening in the UK. There is definitely a collective sense of disquiet around much of the Western World. and that needs to be tapped into.

The jailing of that guy for two years is really rubbing our faces in this two-tier stuff, especially given the leniency shown to all kinds of other crimes. The legal system actively seeks to give the Left full on protection. We have legal bods on the Right (there is a fantastic fella racking up some serious wins when it comes to appealing Mosque planning permission applications), but in the criminal justice system itself, then very little.

Matov, he literally had a previous conviction for kidnapping. He was never getting bail. Stop trying to pretend this is different.

 

[HKOwen]

This Tommo character is clearly undesirable to say the least, he has a previous conviction for attempted kidnapping.

However, I don't see how the two year jailing, after a fast track trial, of the demonstrator , Del Sommerville, who threw a plastic bottle and swore etc can possibly be justified unless there are some aggravating facts missing.

 

[DanH]

This Tommo character is clearly undesirable to say the least.

However, I don't see how the two year jailing, after a fast track trial, of the demonstrator who threw a plastic bottle and swore etc can possibly be justified unless there are some aggravating facts missing.

This is very much not what has happened though, is it Owen?

 

[eaglesdare]

This Tommo character is clearly undesirable to say the least, he has a previous conviction for attempted kidnapping.

However, I don't see how the two year jailing, after a fast track trial, of the demonstrator , Del Sommerville, who threw a plastic bottle and swore etc can possibly be justified unless there are some aggravating facts missing.

We live in a world now where a simple social media post gets you a two year jail time or a knock on your door by the old bill.

 

[DanH]

We live in a world now where a simple social media post gets you a two year jail time or a knock on your door by the old bill.

This isn’t true though, is it?

 

[HKOwen]

This is very much not what has happened though, is it Owen?

That is what has been reported, what else happened?

 

[HKOwen]

This isn’t true though, is it?

It's 100% true, how can you be in denial.?

Alison Pearson?

The Free Speech Union is overwhelmed with such cases

 

[DanH]

It's 100% true, how can you be in denial.?

Alison Pearson?

The Free Speech Union is overwhelmed with such cases

Hahaha. Allison Pearson and Toby Young.

Your Great White Hopes.

Good luck, Owen.

 

[eaglesdare]

This isn’t true though, is it?

Lucy connolly......and plenty of others have had knocks on their doors.