Labour Party politics

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Reeves eyes tax hikes as economy suffers ‘severe and long-lasting’ Brexit impact​

'Johnson must take responsibility for brexit surge in immigration'.

'farage', or 'brexit' boats, you choose.

We can talk about it now - Streeting.

Shock horror

😀

Blaming Brexit and therefore Farage?

Desperate stuff.

Just a lot of political posturing.

Can't wait to get rid of these morons.

 

[silvertop]

Ha ha look at 2TKs face. Looks like an angry Roger ram jet 😂😂😂

You have no love for our country if you applaud this.

 

[silvertop]

Try the Daily Mail!!

Reeves blames Brexit as she admits tax rises ARE coming in Budget

Rachel Reeves tried to slough off responsibility as she gave the clearest indication yet that more pain is coming in the Budget.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ah, balance.

Thanks.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

You have no love for our country if you applaud this.

Laughable.

Starmer is not this country. He is trying to destroy it.

Vote Reform. 🙂

 

[silvertop]

You support mass immigration.....Hell, you want more of the Muslims hordes Steely.

Why you bother with these Brexit pokes is beyond me.....be honest man! You don't care about Brexit because the mainstream decided the response would be to increase immigration!

You love the failing EU so much......But you left it and came back here...So....

As for the economy relating it to Brexit is just lies for the soft brained.

2008 and covid did that.....and before that the US coming off the gold standard in the early seventies.

The left and neoliberals just want to absolve themselves of responsibility for tearing down much of what worked in society.

I am loath to agree with either of you, but in all fairness, there is a point.

A failed application in one EU country is failure in all.

Thus, migrants head for any non EU country, with ours being a favourite. Plenty come here come what may. But many cross one "safe" country after another to get to us as they are EU.

An unintended consequence of Brexit. Discourage literate Europeans. Encourage illiterate non EU migrants.

 

[silvertop]

Laughable.

Starmer is not this country. He is trying to destroy it.

Vote Reform. 🙂

Not laughable.

He is this country's representative who was humiliated in public by a foreign leader.

I didn't vote for him either. But I love my country enough to know that this is wrong.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Not laughable.

He is this country's representative who was humiliated in public by a foreign leader.

I didn't vote for him either. But I love my country enough to know that this is wrong.

He humiliated himself by being a bellend.

Trump doesn't like the direction Britain is going in, and judging by recent polls, the British public largely agrees with him. Starmer is a scumbag politician of the worst kind.

Vote Reform.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Not laughable.

He is this country's representative who was humiliated in public by a foreign leader.

I didn't vote for him either. But I love my country enough to know that this is wrong.

I take Hrolf's point but I agree.....I didn't like it.

For me when it comes to foreign events, who the person is...is less important than what they represent.

Trump would feel the same way if an American representative was being humiliated.

Nope, didn't like it.

It's one of Trump's somewhat amusing aspects that he doesn't have much of a filter where he doesn't feel the need.....That can be quite offensive and also quite amusing.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I am loath to agree with either of you, but in all fairness, there is a point.

A failed application in one EU country is failure in all.

Thus, migrants head for any non EU country, with ours being a favourite. Plenty come here come what may. But many cross one "safe" country after another to get to us as they are EU.

An unintended consequence of Brexit. Discourage literate Europeans. Encourage illiterate non EU migrants.

True.

And this is why leaving the ECHR might be necessary.
If we are not part of the European Union, then we cannot accept laws that negatively affect our country.

The best outcome would be to amend the laws so that they still uphold basic human rights but recognise the need for self determination when maintaining borders.

It should be obvious that the current situation cannot continue.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I take Hrolf's point but I agree.....I didn't like it.

For me when it comes to foreign events, who the person is...is less important than what they represent.

Trump would feel the same way if an American representative was being humiliated.

Nope, didn't like it.

It's one of Trump's somewhat amusing aspects that he doesn't have much of a filter where he doesn't feel the need.....That can be quite offensive and also quite amusing.

You are correct, but Starmer's Britain is one that I reject completely. The more he is diminished, the quicker we can be rid of him, hopefully.

I feel like the world is now not so much defined by nations but by ideology. Those on the right, regardless of nationality, would see Starmer being snubbed as a snub to his politics rather than his country.

I accept that there will be those who will see it as a snub to Britain, but Trump has previously made his love of Britain fairly clear.

 

[chris123]

He humiliated himself by being a bellend.

Trump doesn't like the direction Britain is going in, and judging by recent polls, the British public largely agrees with him. Starmer is a scumbag politician of the worst kind.

Vote Reform.

But there's no money.

 

[chris123]

True.

And this is why leaving the ECHR might be necessary.
If we are not part of the European Union, then we cannot accept laws that negatively affect our country.

The best outcome would be to amend the laws so that they still uphold basic human rights but recognise the need for self determination when maintaining borders.

It should be obvious that the current situation cannot continue.

We've got the Human Rights Act 1998 for starters.

 

[silvertop]

True.

And this is why leaving the ECHR might be necessary.
If we are not part of the European Union, then we cannot accept laws that negatively affect our country.

The best outcome would be to amend the laws so that they still uphold basic human rights but recognise the need for self determination when maintaining borders.

It should be obvious that the current situation cannot continue.

That has been possible since we severed ties with the EU.

So, why has it not happened?

Why have the Tories promised this as a manifesto pledge but failed to do it when in power?

All very odd.

 

[NMPalace]

Blaming Brexit and therefore Farage?

Desperate stuff.

Just a lot of political posturing.

Can't wait to get rid of these morons.

The Brexit impact has been estimated as 4% GDP impact a year - so c£100bn a year.

Why is this desperate? There is clearly a cost when you leave a tariff free agreement with your biggest trading partner.

We also are paying c£100bn a year in interest on the country's debt which stands at 100% of GDP.

The country takes in c£1tr a year in tax - so 10% is being 'lost' immediately to interest.

We now also need to increase defence spending significantly over the next few years.

I think EVERY party would struggle to balance the books unless spending in other areas is cut significantly - Tories will do this to welfare, and Reform will do this to the NHS.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

That has been possible since we severed ties with the EU.

So, why has it not happened?

Why have the Tories promised this as a manifesto pledge but failed to do it when in power?

All very odd.

Indeed.

There are a number of possible reasons.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

The Brexit impact has been estimated as 4% GDP impact a year - so c£100bn a year.

Why is this desperate? There is clearly a cost when you leave a tariff free agreement with your biggest trading partner.

We also are paying c£100bn a year in interest on the country's debt which stands at 100% of GDP.

The country takes in c£1tr a year in tax - so 10% is being 'lost' immediately to interest.

We now also need to increase defence spending significantly over the next few years.

I think EVERY party would struggle to balance the books unless spending in other areas is cut significantly - Tories will do this to welfare, and Reform will do this to the NHS.

Do stop.

This government inherited the cost of Covid. They are a tax and spend party and have nothing to spend.

Blaming Brexit is a political manoeuvre.

 

[beak]

The Brexit impact has been estimated as 4% GDP impact a year - so c£100bn a year.

Why is this desperate? There is clearly a cost when you leave a tariff free agreement with your biggest trading partner.

We also are paying c£100bn a year in interest on the country's debt which stands at 100% of GDP.

The country takes in c£1tr a year in tax - so 10% is being 'lost' immediately to interest.

We now also need to increase defence spending significantly over the next few years.

I think EVERY party would struggle to balance the books unless spending in other areas is cut significantly - Tories will do this to welfare, and Reform will do this to the NHS.

I don't understand the government failing to balance the books, the budget should containe £100 fine for every mention of immigration or Brexit. Job done.

 

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Do stop.

This government inherited the cost of Covid. They are a tax and spend party and have nothing to spend.

Blaming Brexit is a political manoeuvre.

No. Just plain facts.

Trouble is, you still buy into Brexit, "project fear" and some misconceived dream that we had an effective Brexit in our grasp but blew it. And you mask that disappointment by being rude to anyone who provides unequivocal evidence to the contrary. What does "Blaming Brexit is a political manoeuvre" even mean? You were presented with verifiable facts and that is all you have. A slogan.

The economy must suffer with Brexit. Most intelligent people who voted Leave accepted this as an acceptable cost of leaving. Covid and Ukraine are important factors, but Brexit is the greatest cause of our current woes that we can't change through policy.

And if you have a government that is "Leave", the executive leading the nation will always be bottom scrapings like Truss or Farage. Look at the years preceding Labour and the legacy they left.

This "tax and spend" mantra is growing a little thin. All governments tax and spend. It is kind of what they do. I accept the disaster that was employers' NI, but what other Labour tax change are you identifying? And where is money being "wasted" that would not be equally wasted by the competitive parties? And how much would they save?

if you are talking about how they tax and spend, Reform have made so many promises, they can only be fulfilled by high spending funded by high taxes. They are the true tax and spend party; but you have every intention of voting for them. The current government will appear prudent by comparison.

 

[georgenorman]

No. Just plain facts.

Trouble is, you still buy into Brexit, "project fear" and some misconceived dream that we had an effective Brexit in our grasp but blew it. And you mask that disappointment by being rude to anyone who provides unequivocal evidence to the contrary. What does "Blaming Brexit is a political manoeuvre" even mean? You were presented with verifiable facts and that is all you have. A slogan.

The economy must suffer with Brexit. Most intelligent people who voted Leave accepted this as an acceptable cost of leaving. Covid and Ukraine are important factors, but Brexit is the greatest cause of our current woes that we can't change through policy.

And if you have a government that is "Leave", the executive leading the nation will always be bottom scrapings like Truss or Farage. Look at the years preceding Labour and the legacy they left.

This "tax and spend" mantra is growing a little thin. All governments tax and spend. It is kind of what they do. I accept the disaster that was employers' NI, but what other Labour tax change are you identifying? And where is money being "wasted" that would not be equally wasted by the competitive parties? And how much would they save?

if you are talking about how they tax and spend, Reform have made so many promises, they can only be fulfilled by high spending funded by high taxes. They are the true tax and spend party; but you have every intention of voting for them. The current government will appear prudent by comparison.

I'm always amazed when membership of the undemocratic, price-rigging, protectionist EU is portrayed as some sort of panacea for all our problems and that all our woes are due to leaving. Just look at the EU countries - how are France doing?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

No. Just plain facts.

Trouble is, you still buy into Brexit, "project fear" and some misconceived dream that we had an effective Brexit in our grasp but blew it. And you mask that disappointment by being rude to anyone who provides unequivocal evidence to the contrary. What does "Blaming Brexit is a political manoeuvre" even mean? You were presented with verifiable facts and that is all you have. A slogan.

The economy must suffer with Brexit. Most intelligent people who voted Leave accepted this as an acceptable cost of leaving. Covid and Ukraine are important factors, but Brexit is the greatest cause of our current woes that we can't change through policy.

And if you have a government that is "Leave", the executive leading the nation will always be bottom scrapings like Truss or Farage. Look at the years preceding Labour and the legacy they left.

This "tax and spend" mantra is growing a little thin. All governments tax and spend. It is kind of what they do. I accept the disaster that was employers' NI, but what other Labour tax change are you identifying? And where is money being "wasted" that would not be equally wasted by the competitive parties? And how much would they save?

if you are talking about how they tax and spend, Reform have made so many promises, they can only be fulfilled by high spending funded by high taxes. They are the true tax and spend party; but you have every intention of voting for them. The current government will appear prudent by comparison.

So you are saying that our current economic woes are down to Brexit?

Not Covid? Or the cost of energy? Or the supply problems caused by the Ukraine war? Or the increasing size of the welfare state? Or the cost of housing illegal immigrants? Or mismanagement by the current government?

Whatever effect Brexit has had, it will be worth it to avoid being in the United States of Europe. There is no fearmongering about the progression from a trading block to where the EU is now and where it is going, if it continues in the same direction.