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Labour Party politics

No surprise if there are Indo Pakistani riots in UK cities now

Leicester 2022 racial riots over cricket match, of course the Govt will not want to upset the voters by arresting them
 
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DanH said:
It’s also deeply misunderstood. The UK has bilateral social security agreements with most major nations that allows those temporarily working in the other country to stay in their home system (usually for up to 2 years but some up to 5). Anyone on a local contract pays NI from day 1.

There was already an exemption for Indian nationals (and anyone else we don’t have an agreement with) for the first 52 weeks they are here.

Likewise, any UK national carries on paying NIC when they temporarily work overseas rather than pay into the local system.

The reason that India pushed for it is because their Provident Fund contributions continue throughout regardless. This was creating a double social security charge after the 52 week exemption expired.

Indian nationals working in the UK will still be subject to income tax on their earnings while working here (unless exempt under the double tax treaty).

All this is is just more faux outrage from people that don’t actually understand the detail. But when has that ever stopped someone working themselves up into a furore for no reason?
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All the other parties do not even understand this either apparently. And now the misunderstanding is already all over the right wing press and hysteria has taken over. At least the BBC are running a story with Jonathan Reynolds clarifying what this actually means.

www.bbc.co.uk

Government defends National Insurance exemption in UK-India deal

Opposition parties claim the new trade agreement means Indian workers will be cheaper for employers to hire.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
DanH said:
All the other parties do not even understand this either apparently. And now the misunderstanding is already all over the right wing press and hysteria has taken over. At least the BBC are running a story with Jonathan Reynolds clarifying what this actually means.

www.bbc.co.uk

Government defends National Insurance exemption in UK-India deal

Opposition parties claim the new trade agreement means Indian workers will be cheaper for employers to hire.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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I trust Reynolds is not speaking as a solicitor 😎
 
DanH said:
It’s also deeply misunderstood. The UK has bilateral social security agreements with most major nations that allows those temporarily working in the other country to stay in their home system (usually for up to 2 years but some up to 5). Anyone on a local contract pays NI from day 1.

There was already an exemption for Indian nationals (and anyone else we don’t have an agreement with) for the first 52 weeks they are here.

Likewise, any UK national carries on paying NIC when they temporarily work overseas rather than pay into the local system.

The reason that India pushed for it is because their Provident Fund contributions continue throughout regardless. This was creating a double social security charge after the 52 week exemption expired.

Indian nationals working in the UK will still be subject to income tax on their earnings while working here (unless exempt under the double tax treaty).

All this is is just more faux outrage from people that don’t actually understand the detail. But when has that ever stopped someone working themselves up into a furore for no reason?
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I actually know quite a lot about foreign workers coming to the UK, their rights etc. Possibly more than you but, hey Ho I’m just an outraged right-winger who believes everything I read in the press
 
Spiderman said:
I actually know quite a lot about foreign workers coming to the UK, their rights etc. Possibly more than you but, hey Ho I’m just an outraged right-winger who believes everything I read in the press
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What I have posted is literally my area of expertise and has been for nearly 20 years. So good luck finding something wrong with it.
 
DanH said:
What I have posted is literally my area of expertise and has been for nearly 20 years. So good luck finding something wrong with it.
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Yeah, the guy with a degree in economics who supported lockdowns and thinks increasing the debt mountain is fine under the mantra, 'house budgets aren't national budgets' as if it's some kind of religion.

America already pays more in debt interest payments than it does in military spending....around one sixth of all its income....and that's just governmental debt....corporate debt is an unspoken about nightmare.

With expertise like that I foresee a great future career for you in McDonalds.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Yeah, the guy with a degree in economics who supported lockdowns and thinks increasing the debt mountain is fine under the mantra, 'house budgets aren't national budgets' as if it's some kind of religion.

America already pays more in debt interest payments than it does in military spending....around one sixth of all its income....and that's just governmental debt....corporate debt is an unspoken about nightmare.

With expertise like that I foresee a great future career for you in McDonalds.
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Unserious nonsense.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Much like that degree scroll they gave you.

Large fries please and a double cheeseburger.
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Want to find something incorrect with what I posted or going to continue being a 50 something year old man child?
 
I can see the point about NI from both viewpoints, but the bottom line is that Indian workers will work for less wages. They will also have less deductions and not pay into the state pension pot, or other uses that NI has (is it used for the NHS?). How is that a good Labour policy?
Once again, Labour supporting workers are penalised really. At the very least they won't think the arrangement is entirely fair. It's not like they're jetting off to India to work in some kind of reciprocal sense.
I wonder what they might do? They won't vote Tory will they? Where will they vote? Let me guess...
I find it hard to fathom why this Labour party is so lacking in political sense.
 
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DanH said:
Want to find something incorrect with what I posted or going to continue being a 50 something year old man child?
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I think you were opining on the recent India trade deal.

I have mixed feelings about it personally but I'm not confident enough to opine upon it yet.

My observation was based upon your hubris about 'expertise'......This automatic deference to so called 'experts' are largely why the west is in the mess we find it today.

I tend to those actually dealing day to day with the problems at the ground level, encountering the problems, solving them......A lot of the people who get called 'experts' get their title from books and theory.

They are so up their own arses they couldn't find their own common sense with a torch light. In fact protecting their own arses is actually all they care about.
 
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DanH said:
What I have posted is literally my area of expertise and has been for nearly 20 years. So good luck finding something wrong with it.
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Did I say there was anything wrong with it? I will point out that 40+ years working for Immigration both here and abroad has given me a vast knowledge of foreign workers, work permits etc. but some on here still no better apparently ( not a dig at you)
 
Spiderman said:
Did I say there was anything wrong with it? I will point out that 40+ years working for Immigration both here and abroad has given me a vast knowledge of foreign workers, work permits etc. but some on here still no better apparently ( not a dig at you)
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Know better.
 
nhp61 said:
There are rumblings about net zero, but unless Starmer gets rid of Ed Miliband and replace him with someone less insane, nothing will change.

Ed Miliband is very popular with the labour party faithful. If the Independent is to believed, they said Miliband is the most popular cabinet minister among the labour party members.

Has Starmer got the cajones to sack Miliband and incur the wrath of the labour faithful? I very much doubt he has.
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Starmer deliberately stitched up Corbyn, despite him being loved by the Labour faithful, and gifted Johnson a huge majority in the process. If he feels, or is told (and I truly believe it is Blair really pulling the strings) to ditch 'Red Ed', then he is gone. Suspect they will palm him off with some kind of international post. UN, something like that.
 
ASCPFC said:
I can see the point about NI from both viewpoints, but the bottom line is that Indian workers will work for less wages. They will also have less deductions and not pay into the state pension pot, or other uses that NI has (is it used for the NHS?). How is that a good Labour policy?
Once again, Labour supporting workers are penalised really. At the very least they won't think the arrangement is entirely fair. It's not like they're jetting off to India to work in some kind of reciprocal sense.
I wonder what they might do? They won't vote Tory will they? Where will they vote? Let me guess...
I find it hard to fathom why this Labour party is so lacking in political sense.
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