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Listening to Cooper and Reeves reminds me of the Iraqi guy claiming the Americans are burning in their tanks and a US helicopter slowly flies past in the background
 
Comical Ali.

Couldn't you at least use Google?
 
Reeves has said she is proud of Labour's accomplishments in the last year. I am struggling to understand what they are as the key one is the economy which appears to be getting worse.

As Bill Clinton once remarked "it's the economy, dummy", everything else is icing on the cake.
 
Badger11 said:
Reeves has said she is proud of Labour's accomplishments in the last year. I am struggling to understand what they are as the key one is the economy which appears to be getting worse.

As Bill Clinton once remarked "it's the economy, dummy", everything else is icing on the cake.
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They've accomplished what the Tories failed to do in a decade. Alienated the majority of voters from any of the two main parties. That's a decent accomplishment in such a short space of time. And surely a seismic shift in political history.
They've paved the way for populists through their own complete ineptitude and clear hypocrisy. They are classically "hoisted on their own petard" but as they are so tone deaf, politically naive and blind to almost anything meaningful that they will go down blaming everyone else. Which will mirror exactly how they rose in the first place.
 
Badger11 said:
Reeves has said she is proud of Labour's accomplishments in the last year. I am struggling to understand what they are as the key one is the economy which appears to be getting worse.

As Bill Clinton once remarked "it's the economy, dummy", everything else is icing on the cake.
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Well if you read the Mail, or equivalent, it's all gloom and doom.

Clearly inheriting massive debts which are costing the country £100bn a year in interest payments (1/10th of all tax received) has made it difficult for any govt to make radical changes in the short/medium term. The impact of Brexit has also had an effect, and this is not a one-off, it's c4% of GDP a year.
Then Trump has had an massive impact on the world economy with many global countries adopting a wait and see policy regarding big investments.

These are clearly out of the control of Reeves, or any UK govt.

I would like to see things move quicker, but small foundations are being laid.

Getting trains running and the NHS waiting list sorted will get people to work and having less time off.
The minimum wage increase has pushed many out of poverty and the free childcare will enable many parents to get back to work quicker etc.
Recently US companies committed £150bn to UK investments.

Maybe things are slightly better than the right wing press want you to think

www.bbc.co.uk

Can the UK still claim to be the fastest-growing G7 economy?

Depending on the timeframe you look at, the GDP figures can be seen as glass half full or half empty.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
I have no interest in viewing the Labour Conference.
They will roll out the stage management, parade slogans, read lines off autocues while the house burns behind them.
Ministers resigning in disgrace, advisers walking away in disgust, an economy on the brink of crisis. The rot spreads through Downing Street and Starmer cannot control it.

I look forward to our Conference and I shall be wending my merry way up to Manchester at the weekend. 👍 👍
 
NMPalace said:
Well if you read the Mail, or equivalent, it's all gloom and doom.

Clearly inheriting massive debts which are costing the country £100bn a year in interest payments (1/10th of all tax received) has made it difficult for any govt to make radical changes in the short/medium term. The impact of Brexit has also had an effect, and this is not a one-off, it's c4% of GDP a year.
Then Trump has had an massive impact on the world economy with many global countries adopting a wait and see policy regarding big investments.

These are clearly out of the control of Reeves, or any UK govt.

I would like to see things move quicker, but small foundations are being laid.

Getting trains running and the NHS waiting list sorted will get people to work and having less time off.
The minimum wage increase has pushed many out of poverty and the free childcare will enable many parents to get back to work quicker etc.
Recently US companies committed £150bn to UK investments.

Maybe things are slightly better than the right wing press want you to think

www.bbc.co.uk

Can the UK still claim to be the fastest-growing G7 economy?

Depending on the timeframe you look at, the GDP figures can be seen as glass half full or half empty.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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The impact of Brexit number, 4% of GDP a year, whose guess is that?

Economists who are not giving ideological narrative agree that COViD made such opinions on Brexit effect nothing more than guesses
 
Reeves “ the world has changed” as her excuse for raising taxes. Did the world not change during the Tory years? Covid, Wars! Didn’t stop Labour complaining about the mysterious black hole.
Personally Tories deserved to get thrown out but the hypocrisy of the left at the moment is second to none
 
NMPalace said:
Well if you read the Mail, or equivalent, it's all gloom and doom.

Clearly inheriting massive debts which are costing the country £100bn a year in interest payments (1/10th of all tax received) has made it difficult for any govt to make radical changes in the short/medium term. The impact of Brexit has also had an effect, and this is not a one-off, it's c4% of GDP a year.
Then Trump has had an massive impact on the world economy with many global countries adopting a wait and see policy regarding big investments.

These are clearly out of the control of Reeves, or any UK govt.

I would like to see things move quicker, but small foundations are being laid.

Getting trains running and the NHS waiting list sorted will get people to work and having less time off.
The minimum wage increase has pushed many out of poverty and the free childcare will enable many parents to get back to work quicker etc.
Recently US companies committed £150bn to UK investments.

Maybe things are slightly better than the right wing press want you to think

www.bbc.co.uk

Can the UK still claim to be the fastest-growing G7 economy?

Depending on the timeframe you look at, the GDP figures can be seen as glass half full or half empty.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Yes Labour did inherit debt but instead of focusing on getting the public finanaces under control they have increased it by handing our public sector pay rises without any significant reforms.

Public sector pensions are a major drag on the economy and it needs to be addressed. Both parties have ducked the issue, for most councils staff pension are one of their largest expenses.

Labour tried to reform the benefits system and chickened out. They have increased the tax burden overall and especially on employers. The number of job vacancies is on a three year decline, started under the Tories and made worse by Labour. Unemployment is on the rise.

Immigration legal or otherwise, nuff said. Law and Order ?

So no I disagree, they have made a bad situation worse not better.
 
Spiderman said:
Reeves “ the world has changed” as her excuse for raising taxes. Did the world not change during the Tory years? Covid, Wars! Didn’t stop Labour complaining about the mysterious black hole.
Personally Tories deserved to get thrown out but the hypocrisy of the left at the moment is second to none
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I am in total agreement about the hypocrisy of Labour. Shame on them.
The hypocrisy extends far beyond the words delivered by a failing Chancellor whose voice grates on me.

Conservatives reduced the deficit every year until the pandemic, reformed education to give the next generation the best start in life, got 4 million more people into work, created the conditions for 1.1 million more businesses to open, secured trade deals with 73 countries and cushioned the blow of Covid.
We faced crises, we made hard calls but we made mistakes and lost the trust of the electorate.
 
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NMPalace said:
Well if you read the Mail, or equivalent, it's all gloom and doom.

Clearly inheriting massive debts which are costing the country £100bn a year in interest payments (1/10th of all tax received) has made it difficult for any govt to make radical changes in the short/medium term. The impact of Brexit has also had an effect, and this is not a one-off, it's c4% of GDP a year.
Then Trump has had an massive impact on the world economy with many global countries adopting a wait and see policy regarding big investments.

These are clearly out of the control of Reeves, or any UK govt.

I would like to see things move quicker, but small foundations are being laid.

Getting trains running and the NHS waiting list sorted will get people to work and having less time off.
The minimum wage increase has pushed many out of poverty and the free childcare will enable many parents to get back to work quicker etc.
Recently US companies committed £150bn to UK investments.

Maybe things are slightly better than the right wing press want you to think

www.bbc.co.uk

Can the UK still claim to be the fastest-growing G7 economy?

Depending on the timeframe you look at, the GDP figures can be seen as glass half full or half empty.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Do you need the left wing press to tell you how to think?

One does not need to be told how dire things are and how unpopular this government is.
It is all too apparent.

Time for a new approach.
 
Willo said:
In response to Hrofl's location "A sofa somewhere in Kent". 😛
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I'm sitting on it right now after an hour of cardiovascular exercise.

Time for a coffee and an episode of The Chase before some weights.
 
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