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Israel v Iran

The 'iron dome' looks like it is being over-whelmed in Tel Aviv.

Despite the shock Iran is managing some retaliation.

Netanyahu, a psycho bully, why has the USA and it's acolytes fallen for his spiel for over 30 years.

War, eternal war, proving nothing and gaining nothing.

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Spindle said:
Apparently they've "attacked nobody" (except supply and support of terror offences globally, and the supply of the rebel terror groups in Yemen, Israel and Lebanon but that's not worth highlighting because it's us in the west who are truly evil)
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Does the fact that Iran is a pariah state who have funded a proxy war against Israel for many years justify this action? Netanyahu is portraying it as retaliation, some as preventative and others as provocative.

From all I hear Iran remains a very long way from actually being able to build a bomb, let alone deliver or test it. This then is Israel taking the opportunity to strike them when their ability to retaliate is diminished and in the hope it may provoke regime change.

I think it’s more likely to build resentment towards both Israel and the USA ultimately making things more dangerous. Rather than encourage regime change it could improve the standing of the government, especially if they threw some tid bits out to it’s population.

Regime change is what is needed. Destroyed facilities can be rebuilt, assassinated generals replaced. So I am unsure whether this show of strength is ultimately going to produce any improvement, or whether it’s another self preservation exercise by Netanyahu. Let alone whether it is legal.
 
steeleye20 said:
iran is entitled to defend itself, and has not attacked anybody.

It is just as entitled to have a nuclear weapon as the United States and Israel.

It was the United States who reneged on the nuclear deal and Trump who took them out of the ILEA making the world more dangerous.

Israel and the USA do not recognise international law only their own force.

But all they ever do is make things worse, its always going to be the next round.

Israel could never exist beside anyone, an impossible people relying totally on USA unqualified support.
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The Inner London Education Authority? Who knew they were so influential.
 
steeleye20 said:
The 'iron dome' looks like it is being over-whelmed in Tel Aviv.

Despite the shock Iran is managing some retaliation.

Netanyahu, a psycho bully, why has the USA and it's acolytes fallen for his spiel for over 30 years.

War, eternal war, proving nothing and gaining nothing.

😎
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You must be so happy there is the chance of Jews being killed, you are a hideous individual , and your source is the Daily Mirror quoting Iranian officials.

At least your real views are out in the open now, no more semantics
 
HKOwen said:
My sympathies are with the vast majority of Iranians who want rid of the current rulers and to be a normal country again
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You think the the vast majority of Iranians are cheering this on?

I don't.

I think military interventionism brings us nothing but problems....Only costs and zero benefits.

All this does is rally support behind the regime.....Most people there will hate it, but they will hate those bombing even more.

We saw that in Iraq.
 
steeleye20 said:
The 'iron dome' looks like it is being over-whelmed in Tel Aviv.

Despite the shock Iran is managing some retaliation.

Netanyahu, a psycho bully, why has the USA and it's acolytes fallen for his spiel for over 30 years.

War, eternal war, proving nothing and gaining nothing.

😎
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Im going to put that into your language

"The Hamas Brigades and Gazans are being overwhelmed. Despite the shock of Oct 7 Israel is managing retaliation."
😎

How does that sound?
 
steeleye20 said:
The 'iron dome' looks like it is being over-whelmed in Tel Aviv.

Despite the shock Iran is managing some retaliation.

Netanyahu, a psycho bully, why has the USA and it's acolytes fallen for his spiel for over 30 years.

War, eternal war, proving nothing and gaining nothing.

😎
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I don't think Netanyahu is a psycho, far from it.....what he is doing make sense from his perspective....Will it work? Unlikely but it's his best play from the position he is in.

What he wants is an uprising in Iran and the overthrow of the regime.....playing the Syria playbook.

In the wider sense it closes down doors between Israel/US and Iran in terms of negotiation.

Is it good for us? No, not at all....it's nothing but a burden and a negative for the west - because it means we get attacks.

I share the distress of another fecking war, which I agree gains us nothing.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Does the fact that Iran is a pariah state who have funded a proxy war against Israel for many years justify this action? Netanyahu is portraying it as retaliation, some as preventative and others as provocative.

From all I hear Iran remains a very long way from actually being able to build a bomb, let alone deliver or test it. This then is Israel taking the opportunity to strike them when their ability to retaliate is diminished and in the hope it may provoke regime change.

I think it’s more likely to build resentment towards both Israel and the USA ultimately making things more dangerous. Rather than encourage regime change it could improve the standing of the government, especially if they threw some tid bits out to it’s population.

Regime change is what is needed. Destroyed facilities can be rebuilt, assassinated generals replaced. So I am unsure whether this show of strength is ultimately going to produce any improvement, or whether it’s another self preservation exercise by Netanyahu. Let alone whether it is legal.
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So they should do nothing, wait another decade to when they are really close to a bomb, and another decade of being attacked by the Iranian proxies. Maybe wait long enough that the leftist pro Palestine pricks have pressured western nations.

You know, at some point these nutters need taking on, if it doesn't happen after they've sponsored the greatest atrocity on your own nation then when? Do you seriously think they can be appeased?
 
Stirlingsays said:
You think the the vast majority of Iranians are cheering this on?

I don't.

I think military interventionism brings us nothing but problems....Only costs and zero benefits.

All this does is rally support behind the regime.....Most people there will hate it, but they will hate those bombing even more.

We saw that in Iraq.
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I did not say that, I said the vast majority want regime change so such attacks does not happen. That is not cheering it on by any stretch. I am basing this on Iranians I know and engage with regularly not some vicarious article.
 
Spindle said:
So they should do nothing, wait another decade to when they are really close to a bomb, and another decade of being attacked by the Iranian proxies. Maybe wait long enough that the leftist pro Palestine pricks have pressured western nations.

You know, at some point these nutters need taking on, if it doesn't happen after they've sponsored the greatest atrocity on your own nation then when? Do you seriously think they can be appeased?
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" from all he hears ", jesus christ, next he'll produce a relative who's an Iranian scientist, what a complete deluded numpty
 
Spindle said:
So they should do nothing, wait another decade to when they are really close to a bomb, and another decade of being attacked by the Iranian proxies. Maybe wait long enough that the leftist pro Palestine pricks have pressured western nations.

You know, at some point these nutters need taking on, if it doesn't happen after they've sponsored the greatest atrocity on your own nation then when? Do you seriously think they can be appeased?
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Ok, I can see that reasoning....I don't think this is the best way forward....but I see the reasoning.

However, Russia already have the bomb and yet you are fully fine with escalation in the Ukraine war presumably based upon the reasoning that they would never use it down to MAD and mutual destruction. But here you are arguing that Israel must go to war to stop Iran getting a nuke....because of the risk of MAD?

You think Russia wouldn't use a nuke but Iran will?

Iran doesn't even need to enrich to get nukes....the stupidity of starting a cold war against China/Russia means that there are thousands of them available anytime they want the supply. The major difficulty would be in the launch systems, but that tech could be supplied too.

At the moment....like us.....they don't have anything like the missile defence systems to combat what is being sent their way. But if the regime survives this how long do you think that'll last considering we now have a cold war?

From the west's perspective this isn't bright.....though I can see from the Israeli neo con viewpoint it's a last throw of the dice.
 
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Major modern problem is that no one de-escalates......Everyone think the bomb will never be coming for them.

Or they just don't care.....which I suggest isn't best for humanity in general.
 
HKOwen said:
I did not say that, I said the vast majority want regime change so such attacks does not happen. That is not cheering it on by any stretch. I am basing this on Iranians I know and engage with regularly not some vicarious article.
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Well, I presume the Iranians you know are western minded.
 
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