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Israel v Hamas

Wisbech Eagle said:
You did.

So let’s examine their general attitudes towards Israel shall we? Then we can decide whether their opinions are valid, or just perhaps a little biased!

1. Eugene Kontorovich

Affiliation/Leanings: Right-leaning / Conservative

A prominent advocate for Israeli sovereignty over contested territories, such as the West Bank.
Frequently associated with right-wing think tanks, such as the Kohelet Policy Forum in Israel.
Critic of international legal critiques of Israel; often defends Israeli settlement policy.
Politically aligned with conservative legal and foreign policy circles, especially in U.S. and Israeli contexts.

2. Avi Bell

Affiliation/Leanings: Right-leaning / Pro-Israel

A strong legal defender of Israeli government policies, particularly regarding military actions and settlements.
Has worked closely with Eugene Kontorovich and Kohelet Policy Forum.
Critical of international legal institutions’ treatment of Israel; generally aligns with conservative or nationalist views on Israeli sovereignty.

3. Irwin Cotler

Affiliation/Leanings: Center-left / Liberal

A long-time member of the Liberal Party of Canada; served as Minister of Justice under Prime Minister Paul Martin.
Renowned human rights advocate, particularly focused on issues like anti-Semitism, political prisoners, and genocide prevention.
Strongly defends Israel in international forums, but from a liberal human rights perspective.

4. Richard Goldstone

Affiliation/Leanings: Centrist / Moderate liberal (with some controversy)

Appointed by the United Nations Human Rights Council to lead the Goldstone Report on the 2008–2009 Gaza War.
Initially critical of Israel in that report, but later retracted key conclusions, stating that Israel had not intentionally targeted civilians.
Considered non-partisan or centrist, though vilified by both sides at various points.
Reputation as a respected jurist with a commitment to international law, not strongly affiliated with a political party.

5.Alan Dershowitz

Affiliation/Leanings: Liberal Democrat with strong pro-Israel, sometimes conservative-aligned stances

Long identified as a liberal Democrat, but increasingly critical of the political left, especially regarding Israel, free speech, and due process.
Defended Donald Trump during his first impeachment trial, leading to criticism from liberal circles.
Strong supporter of Israel; has defended controversial Israeli policies, often aligning with right-leaning voices on Middle East issues.

I would suggest this list is self evidently hand picked and, in most cases, heavily biased.

A list of independent academics who take the opposite view is easily to be found.

All of this though is a diversion. It can be argued in court, if it ever gets there, when all of this is over.

What matters is now. Israel has the capacity to stop the killing of more innocents. Those on Oct 7 were totally unacceptable but what has happened since is every bit as unacceptable.

It has the capacity but neither the motivation nor the will.
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What do you think Hamas thought would happen after Oct 7?
 
Bassak said:
Interesting video from a debate on an Israeli to channel the Gentleman speaks a lot of sense


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Notice he is free to express those views on Israeli TV. If someone in Iran criticised their government in that way he would be hanging from a crane the next day - after being tortured.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I doubt they had any real idea, but I don’t know. They seem motivated by hatred and religious certainty, as many terrorists are.

What is certain is it has nothing to do with what Israel has done. Nor is any kind of relevant response to my previous comment.
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They knew full well what the response would be. It was a deliberate act to wreck treaty proposals between Israel and some Arab countries and to provoke a response that would generate support from the 'useful idiots' - that's working, you only have to look at this thread.
Love the, 'They seem motivated by hatred and religious certainty'!
 
georgenorman said:
Notice he is free to express those views on Israeli TV. If someone in Iran criticised their government in that way he would be hanging from a crane the next day - after being tortured.
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He is and he is demonstrating very clearly that not Israelis are willing to dismiss the suffering of the innocents in Gaza as some here are.

Why is this allowed on Israeli TV and wouldn’t be in Iran?

Israel wishes to be regarded as a modern democracy so has to be held to the same standards. Iran does not, and isn’t. We aspire to get it to.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
I mean music festivals are not remotely of interest to me, and I hate how much these sort of talking points detract from the real issues, but no, I don’t have any issue with people singing songs critical of militaries.

I think the IDF are reprehensible and no better than terrorists.
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So yes you'd have joined in. Disgusting.
 
eaglesdare said:
Looks like "palestine action" is now an official terrorist group.

news.sky.com

MPs vote to proscribe Palestine Action as terrorist organisation

The legislation was passed by the vast majority of MPs. However, several argued that proscribing the group "sets a dangerous precedent for political dissent".
news.sky.com news.sky.com
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A lot of the usual suspects traitors who voted against:

Labour: - Diane Abbott - Tahir Ali - Richard Burgeon - Ian Bryne - Imran Hussain- Kim Johnson - Clive Lewis - Grahame Morris- Nadia Whittome

Lib Dems: - Andrew George- Tom Gordon - Tessa Munt - Manuela Perteghella - Dr Al Pinkerton - Luke Taylor

Greens: - Siân Berry- Carla Denyer - Ellie Chowns - Adrian Ramsay

Independent: - Zarah Sultana- Shockat Adam - Apsana Begum - Jeremy Corbyn - John McDonnell - Adnan Hussain

SDLP: - Colum Eastwood
 
georgenorman said:
They knew full well what the response would be. It was a deliberate act to wreck treaty proposals between Israel and some Arab countries and to provoke a response that would generate support from the 'useful idiots' - that's working, you only have to look at this thread.
Love the, 'They seem motivated by hatred and religious certainty'!
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You are inside the head of terrorist fanatics?

That explains quite a lot!

I question Israel’s lack of preparedness. With the intelligence they possess they probably know the whereabouts of every senior Hamas official and what time they take a dump. They would have known about the plan, and apparently so did Egypt, who warned them.

So why did they ignore it? Was it so they had an excuse to do what they are now doing, with the victims seen as collateral in a wider war.

Of course that’s just a conspiracy theory which is unlikely to ever be confirmed, but it does make some sense.
 
Spindle said:
It's not a heavy munition. It's a standard NATO size and modern jets can carry many of them at once. Unguided it's a simple Mk82.
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Correct. It's a middle-weight general purpose bomb used against buildings or vehicles – a standard size in many air forces worldwide.

bUt ThE gUaRdIaN sAid!
 
Penge Eagle said:
A lot of the usual suspects traitors who voted against:

Labour: - Diane Abbott - Tahir Ali - Richard Burgeon - Ian Bryne - Imran Hussain- Kim Johnson - Clive Lewis - Grahame Morris- Nadia Whittome

Lib Dems: - Andrew George- Tom Gordon - Tessa Munt - Manuela Perteghella - Dr Al Pinkerton - Luke Taylor

Greens: - Siân Berry- Carla Denyer - Ellie Chowns - Adrian Ramsay

Independent: - Zarah Sultana- Shockat Adam - Apsana Begum - Jeremy Corbyn - John McDonnell - Adnan Hussain

SDLP: - Colum Eastwood
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Could probably add a few Hamas sympathiser posters from here to that list aswell.
 
Penge Eagle said:
Correct. It's a middle-weight general purpose bomb used against buildings or vehicles – a standard size in many air forces worldwide.

bUt ThE gUaRdIaN sAid!
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That was dropped with such ‘precision’ in a densely packed civilian area and killed 30+, including children.

bUt WhAt BoB vYlAn AnD kNeEcAp SaId!
 
DanH said:
That was dropped with such ‘precision’ in a densely packed civilian area and killed 30+, including children.

bUt WhAt BoB vYlAn AnD kNeEcAp SaId!
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You posted a Guardian article that claimed the bomb was a heavy 500lb and it's use a possible a war crime. I said it is typically used by militaries in the same scenario.

It shows you soak up crap from the Guardian without questioning it.

Then for some reason you bring up Bob Vylan and Kneecap?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
You are inside the head of terrorist fanatics?

That explains quite a lot!

I question Israel’s lack of preparedness. With the intelligence they possess they probably know the whereabouts of every senior Hamas official and what time they take a dump. They would have known about the plan, and apparently so did Egypt, who warned them.

So why did they ignore it? Was it so they had an excuse to do what they are now doing, with the victims seen as collateral in a wider war.

Of course that’s just a conspiracy theory which is unlikely to ever be confirmed, but it does make some sense.
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Implying I'm some sort of terrorist and Israel facilitating a major attack on its own people - you are scraping the barrel, as ever.
 
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