Israel v Hamas

[Spindle]

Channel 4 to air the Gaza doctors documentary rejected by ridiculous BBC.

'More than 400 media figures urge BBC board to remove Robbie Gibb over Gaza

'BBC crippled by the fear of being perceived as critical of the Israeli government'.


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The sob story about the child of the terrorist leader? That one?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Marx, of course, was jewish.

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I guess I can now argue that it's rather antisemitic of Penge to be so critical of his work... that's how this works, right?

 

[Spindle]

So how does that translate into criticism of Israel? What's the KKK outfit equivalent here..?

It was an excellent analogy, hence you now pretending that it doesn't make sense by asking more questions. Later on you'll claim he's not answering you too. Utter deflection nothing more.

 

[Penge Eagle]

You're struggling today.

What is the relevant context that makes criticism of the Israeli government antisemitic?

Let me give one more example of context.

Calling Israel a "genocidal apartheid state" while never using such terms for Assad, Sudan, or Hamas.

 

[Spindle]

Marx, of course, was jewish.

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That's a conundrum for you are your mates isn't it? Well it would be if you didn't have so many similar ones such as queers for Palestine

 

[CPFCSaturn]

It was an excellent analogy, hence you now pretending that it doesn't make sense by asking more questions. Later on you'll claim he's not answering you too. Utter deflection nothing more.

Either engage in the debate yourself or move on - sitting there being a cheerleader is not a good look.

He hasn't answered many questions I've put to him this morning. Neither have you.

 

[Spindle]

I get it - you think genocide is fine because Israel are 'one of ours' and because both sides hate each other. It's not that I don't understand these things, I just reject the logic.

I agree with the bit in bold - this is two bloodthirsty, genocidal groups trying their best to wipe each other off the map. I just wish everyone would be honest about that.

No, we don't consider it genocide. I'm confused as to why you keep getting it so wrong tbh

 

[Penge Eagle]

I guess I can now argue that it's rather antisemitic of Penge to be so critical of his work... that's how this works, right?

It's incredible how little Marxists actually know about Karl Marx.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It's incredible how little Marxists actually know about Karl Marx.

Is he the one who played the harp?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I get it - you think genocide is fine because Israel are 'one of ours' and because both sides hate each other. It's not that I don't understand these things, I just reject the logic.

I agree with the bit in bold - this is two bloodthirsty, genocidal groups trying their best to wipe each other off the map. I just wish everyone would be honest about that.

It isn't genocide. Genocide is one sided for a start. This is war.

Have Hamas surrendered? Have they promised to stop their campaign to kill all Jews?

The IDF are guilty of winning a war. Do you honestly think that a single Jew would be alive if Hamas had the means to make it happen?

 

[Penge Eagle]

Either engage in the debate yourself or move on - sitting there being a cheerleader is not a good look.

He hasn't answered many questions I've put to him this morning. Neither have you.

"You've not answered the question" is not really a counter argument.

 

[Penge Eagle]

Either engage in the debate yourself or move on - sitting there being a cheerleader is not a good look.

He hasn't answered many questions I've put to him this morning. Neither have you.

Let me ask you a direct question with a simple yes or no answer. Would you have joined in on the "Death to the IDF" chant?

 

[DanH]

This one is a bit more direct, at least.

Thousands of Israeli nationalists chant 'death to Arabs' during annual procession through Jerusalem

Palestinian shopkeepers closed early and police lined the alleys ahead of the march that often becomes a rowdy and sometimes violent procession of ultranationalist Jews

www.pbs.org

JERUSALEM (AP) — Chanting "Death to Arabs" and singing "May your village burn," groups of young Israeli Jews made their way through Muslim neighborhoods of Jerusalem's Old City on Monday during an annual march marking Israel 's conquest of the eastern part of the city.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Let me give one more example of context.

Calling Israel a "genocidal apartheid state" while never using such terms for Assad, Sudan, or Hamas.

I called Hamas genocidal a matter of minutes ago on this very thread.

But so I'm clear, if you are to criticise a foreign government for something, in order not to be discriminatory you should also include criticism of any other foreign government who are engaged in similar activity? Is that it?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

It's incredible how little Marxists actually know about Karl Marx.

Invents that I'm a Marxists. Gets mad that I don't know much about Karl Marx.

You couldn't write it 🤣

 

[CPFCSaturn]

It isn't genocide. Genocide is one sided for a start. This is war.

Have Hamas surrendered? Have they promised to stop their campaign to kill all Jews?

The IDF are guilty of winning a war. Do you honestly think that a single Jew would be alive if Hamas had the means to make it happen?

You think it's not genocide - you are of course entitled to that opinion.

I think it is genocide, which is near-unanimous opinion of every expert, aid agency and humanitarian body in the world.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

You think it's not genocide - you are of course entitled to that opinion.

I think it is genocide, which is near-unanimous opinion of every expert, aid agency and humanitarian body in the world.

I've just told you why it isn't.

Why haven't HAMAS surrendered to save their people? You'd think that in a situation that you call a genocide, they would do anything to make it stop.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I've just told you why it isn't.

Why haven't HAMAS surrendered to save their people? You'd think that in a situation that you call a genocide, they would do anything to make it stop.

No, you've told me your opinion - I'd prefer to heed the opinion of people with infinitely more knowledge on the topic than you or I.

Hamas haven't surrendered because they're terrorists who do not care about civilians, obviously. The idea that then gives an advanced military the green light to kill tens of thousands of civilians is obviously a nonsensical one.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

No, you've told me your opinion - I'd prefer to heed the opinion of people with infinitely more knowledge on the topic than you or I.

Hamas haven't surrendered because they're terrorists who do not care about civilians, obviously. The idea that then gives an advanced military the green light to kill tens of thousands of civilians is obviously a nonsensical one.

You cannot separate the two just to suit an argument.

Yes, Hamas are terrorists and murderers. They hide behind civilians and civilian infrastructure.
They are a constant threat to Israel's security.

You might think that the murder and kidnapping of Israelis deserved a response that killed a similar amount of Palestinians. Maybe you think it deserved no response.
Netanyahu had other ideas. The hornets nest was poked once too often and in the worst way.

Had it occurred to you that the whole situation might be different if HAMAS stopped trying to kill Jews and agreed to a mixed population in Gaza? Could the mutual hatred be suspended to save lives?

In this country, we are expected to accept all kinds across our borders, many of whom are undesirable.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

You cannot separate the two just to suit an argument.

Yes, Hamas are terrorists and murderers. They hide behind civilians and civilian infrastructure.
They are a constant threat to Israel's security.

You might think that the murder and kidnapping of Israelis deserved a response that killed a similar amount of Palestinians. Maybe you think it deserved no response.
Netanyahu had other ideas. The hornets nest was poked once too often and in the worst way.

Had it occurred to you that the whole situation might be different if HAMAS stopped trying to kill Jews and agreed to a mixed population in Gaza? Could the mutual hatred be suspended to save lives?

In this country, we are expected to accept all kinds across our borders, many of whom are undesirable.

So you think because Hamas don't care about civilians, the IDF don't have to either..?

There are a million hypotheticals that would mean the whole situation might be different - I'm not sure what speculating on them proves, nor do I think any of them justify Israel's conduct.

You seem to fixate on Hamas wanting to kill Jews whilst broadly ignoring the IDF wanting, and succeeding at scale, to kill Palestinians - as you said, there are no good guys here. Two death cults; one is a prescribed terrorist organisation and the other is a military superpower that purports to respect international law.

I think they're both genocidal terrorists.