Israel v Hamas

[eaglesdare]

What the hell are they in Gaza?

And why would it bomb non-military areas?

Obviously because Hamas hide their military operations themselves in civilian areas like the cowards they are by using humans and children as shields.

Anyways....Maybe Hamas shouldn't have massacred all those people on 7th October which caused Israel to defend itself against future attacks.

 

[cryrst]

No.

Proportional?

What go and shoot a few Palestinian women in the tits, eyes and Fanny.After breaking hips with gang raping them first though. With gun butts and knives. Burn a few babies, decapitate a few men and drag a few Muslims around tied to a van.
Would that be proportional?

 

[Spindle]

What go and shoot a few Palestinian women in the tits, eyes and Fanny.After breaking hips with gang raping them first though. With gun butts and knives. Burn a few babies, decapitate a few men and drag a few Muslims around tied to a van.
Would that be proportional?

They haven't a clue who they are dealing with, their worlds are so cushty

 

[silvertop]

What go and shoot a few Palestinian women in the tits, eyes and Fanny.After breaking hips with gang raping them first though. With gun butts and knives. Burn a few babies, decapitate a few men and drag a few Muslims around tied to a van.
Would that be proportional?

I guess so, but instead they bombed about 70 times the number but from a nice safe distance being the brave souls they are.

 

[silvertop]

Obviously because Hamas hide their military operations themselves in civilian areas like the cowards they are by using humans and children as shields.

Anyways....Maybe Hamas shouldn't have massacred all those people on 7th October which caused Israel to defend itself against future attacks.

Defend.

 

[cryrst]

I guess so, but instead they bombed about 70 times the number but from a nice safe distance being the brave souls they are.

No they bombed hamas who hid in schools and hospitals behind their own people. Men women and kids.
I am shocked you think some on here are glorifying innocents dying. But at least you guess that copying what those brave hamas souls did to Israelis on oct 7th would make it ok.
Not that what Hamas did deserved retribution.

 

[eaglesdare]

Defend.

Precisely 👍🏻

 

[CPFCSaturn]

No they bombed hamas who hid in schools and hospitals behind their own people. Men women and kids.
I am shocked you think some on here are glorifying innocents dying. But at least you guess that copying what those brave hamas souls did to Israelis on oct 7th would make it ok.
Not that what Hamas did deserved retribution.

Not glorifying, but there are plenty on here who don’t give a single s*** for civilian deaths, as long as they’re Arab/muslim.

And it’s generally those same jokers morally posturing about October 7th who have no issue with the tens of thousands of civilians killed by Israel.

‘Nothing justifies October 7th, but October 7th justifies everything’ - a circle that is impossible to square.

 

[Spindle]

Not glorifying, but there are plenty on here who don’t give a single s*** for civilian deaths, as long as they’re Arab/muslim.

And it’s generally those same jokers morally posturing about October 7th who have no issue with the tens of thousands of civilians killed by Israel.

‘Nothing justifies October 7th, but October 7th justifies everything’ - a circle that is impossible to square.

If your priority is Muslim deaths then Gaza and Lebanon are far down the list on that.

You can start with the backers of those scumbags

 

[CPFCSaturn]

If your priority is Muslim deaths then Gaza and Lebanon are far down the list on that.

You can start with the backers of those scumbags

My concern is civilian deaths, I don't really care what man in the sky they choose to believe in.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Not glorifying, but there are plenty on here who don’t give a single s*** for civilian deaths, as long as they’re Arab/muslim.

And it’s generally those same jokers morally posturing about October 7th who have no issue with the tens of thousands of civilians killed by Israel.

‘Nothing justifies October 7th, but October 7th justifies everything’ - a circle that is impossible to square.

I think I have sympathy for this view.

I don't think Islam should be welcomed in Europe, outside one or two interpretations. It should be harder for a Muslim to move to Europe purely down to the poor metrics associated with its main feeder countries.

Europe won't survive as Europe unless it protects its own demographics. It's as obvious as the nose on our face and everyone objective understands it.

However, that doesn't translate into supporting Muslims dying in wars that shouldn't involve us.

Most people who have died in Gaza and the West Bank, Lebanon have been innocent civilians not connected to war efforts, similar to October 7th Jewish victims. I certainly don't support that as innocence is innocence regardless of sides in a war.

It's one of the main reasons wars should be avoided unless they are existential....because it means babies die under rubble. And when you kill innocent people you add their relatives, brothers, uncles, fathers, as soldiers to the conflict.

So if you really want to win a war and remove threats.....you have to end up killing a hell of a lot of people, mostly innocent. It's better finding other ways.

The reason why Israel is going to war, because its government considers the long term threats to it as existential and they recognise that this is probably the last administration that will underwrite its wars to this extent.

I understand why they feel that because it's probably true, so it's not a thought process without logic. However, I think there are other internal ways to resolve that problem and even if there weren't, what the feck does their war have to do with us.

As a country we involve ourselves far too much in foreign wars.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I think I have sympathy for this view.

I don't think Islam should be welcomed in Europe, outside one or two interpretations. It should be harder for a Muslim to move to Europe purely down to the poor metrics associated with its main feeder countries.

However, that doesn't translate into supporting Muslims dying in wars that shouldn't involve us.

Most people who have died in Gaza and the West Bank, Lebanon have been innocent civilians not connected to war efforts, similar to October 7th Jewish victims. I certainly don't support that as innocence is innocence regardless of sides in a war.

It's one of the main reason wars should be avoided unless they are existential....because it means babies die under rubble. And when you kill innocent people you add their relatives, brothers, uncles, fathers, as soldiers to the conflict.

The reason why Israel is going to war, because its government considers the long term threats to it as existential and they recognise that this is probably the last administration that will underwrite its wars to this extent.

I understand why they feel that because it's probably true, so it's not a thought process without logic. However, I think there are other internal ways to resolve that problem and even if there weren't, what the feck does their war have to do with us.

As a country we involve ourselves far too much in foreign wars.

Good post.

I think anyone who has convinced themselves that the West’s 'war on Islam' should extend to defending the mass killing of Muslim women and children by a foreign state has gone too far down that rabbit hole.

 

[Stirlingsays]

No they bombed hamas who hid in schools and hospitals behind their own people. Men women and kids.
I am shocked you think some on here are glorifying innocents dying. But at least you guess that copying what those brave hamas souls did to Israelis on oct 7th would make it ok.
Not that what Hamas did deserved retribution.

All countries build and have dual civilian/military infrastructure. It's especially true for intelligence and security agencies who seek to hide their locations.

That includes the Israelis, and I literally saw an ex Mossad spokesman admit to that fact on Piers Morgan a month or so ago.

This 'goodies only do this, but baddies do that'.....it just isn't true.

You can obviously have sides in a conflict but it's not cowboys and indians.....People do horrible sh1t in wars......Some obviously worse than others.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Good post.

I think anyone who has convinced themselves that the West’s 'war on Islam' should extend to defending the mass killing of Muslim women and children by a foreign state has gone too far down that rabbit hole.

Yes, I think people can defend the existence of Israel and its defence without supporting what is happening.

Indeed, many Jews....admittedly outside of Israel....are of that opinion.

 

[silvertop]

No they bombed hamas who hid in schools and hospitals behind their own people. Men women and kids.
I am shocked you think some on here are glorifying innocents dying. But at least you guess that copying what those brave hamas souls did to Israelis on oct 7th would make it ok.
Not that what Hamas did deserved retribution.

I do understand retribution. If they captured every one of the Oct 7 perps and roasted them alive on TV I would not lose a wink of sleep. The progressive west would bleat about the horror and lack of due process etc. but I would not.

However, that retribution has to be proportionate, it has to be properly targeted, and it has to not morph into opportunistic ethnic cleansing disingenuously marketed to the gullible as "defence".

 

[silvertop]

I think I have sympathy for this view.

I don't think Islam should be welcomed in Europe, outside one or two interpretations. It should be harder for a Muslim to move to Europe purely down to the poor metrics associated with its main feeder countries.

Europe won't survive as Europe unless it protects its own demographics. It's as obvious as the nose on our face and everyone objective understands it.

However, that doesn't translate into supporting Muslims dying in wars that shouldn't involve us.

Most people who have died in Gaza and the West Bank, Lebanon have been innocent civilians not connected to war efforts, similar to October 7th Jewish victims. I certainly don't support that as innocence is innocence regardless of sides in a war.

It's one of the main reasons wars should be avoided unless they are existential....because it means babies die under rubble. And when you kill innocent people you add their relatives, brothers, uncles, fathers, as soldiers to the conflict.

So if you really want to win a war and remove threats.....you have to end up killing a hell of a lot of people, mostly innocent. It's better finding other ways.

The reason why Israel is going to war, because its government considers the long term threats to it as existential and they recognise that this is probably the last administration that will underwrite its wars to this extent.

I understand why they feel that because it's probably true, so it's not a thought process without logic. However, I think there are other internal ways to resolve that problem and even if there weren't, what the feck does their war have to do with us.

As a country we involve ourselves far too much in foreign wars.

Agree much, save the last sentiment.

I can see why you consider this to be a "foreign war" with no involvement from us, but the British government will not remain covertly neutral. This is within our sphere of influence and we will not lose more skin in any game.

I suspect we are actively engaged on an intelligence level and in diplomatic back channels to try and contain this out of our own self interest.

The current issues with the Strait and its impact on our economy indicates just how important this region is and how we must keep a lid on Israel.

I think the Americans think the same way. I am guessing Israel have ceased their genocide in Gaza as a quid pro quo for the US joining them against Iran. Perhaps that was their long game all along..?

 

[cryrst]

I do understand retribution. If they captured every one of the Oct 7 perps and roasted them alive on TV I would not lose a wink of sleep. The progressive west would bleat about the horror and lack of due process etc. but I would not.

However, that retribution has to be proportionate, it has to be properly targeted, and it has to not morph into opportunistic ethnic cleansing disingenuously marketed to the gullible as "defence".

So at what point did they hand them over to be roasted alive?
These are the same people who partied after 9/11, 7/7, nice etc etc etc they hate us. We are s*** who deserve to die in their eyes. I didn’t have a party after any death.
It would be you and yours and they would celebrate!

 

[silvertop]

So at what point did they hand them over to be roasted alive?
These are the same people who partied after 9/11, 7/7, nice etc etc etc they hate us. We are s*** who deserve to die in their eyes. I didn’t have a party after any death.
It would be you and yours and they would celebrate!

I am trying to tell you where I stand on this. The comment was not to be taken literally.

The victims of Israeli attack did not commit those crimes, so of no relevance at all.

Unless you believe a child should be murdered because his grandfather celebrated 9/11?

 

[cryrst]

I am trying to tell you where I stand on this. The comment was not to be taken literally.

The victims of Israeli attack did not commit those crimes, so of no relevance at all.

Unless you believe a child should be murdered because his grandfather celebrated 9/11?

It’s ironic you say not literally after posting that some of us glorify the killing of innocents. You literally assume we are happy it happened and is happening.

 

[cryrst]

I am trying to tell you where I stand on this. The comment was not to be taken literally.

The victims of Israeli attack did not commit those crimes, so of no relevance at all.

Unless you believe a child should be murdered because his grandfather celebrated 9/11?

Is that similar to paying out to blacks for slavery of 5 generations ago. The kids of today celebrate terror attacks as well don’t ya know.