Israel v Hamas

The US special envoy who praised Jonathon Powell's role is his mate.* That same envoy got a lot of stick recently over the failure of negotiations in the Ukraine, Powell being one of the few to praise his efforts so make of that what you will.

It reminds me of the Peter Sellars sketch about the first American in space and how Britain played a vital role. He then interviews the manager of the factory that made the pen the astronaut uses.

Come to think of it when Trump called Starmer up to the podium maybe he wanted to thank him for borrowing his Mount Blanc? 😀

*Powell of course is under a great deal of criticism over his role in Chinagate so he needs a win.
 
Hamas are executing people in public in the streets - some for supposed 'collaboration' with Israel. The terrorists are clearly still in control of Gaza. Israel will still need to go back and finish the job.
 
The US special envoy who praised Jonathon Powell's role is his mate.* That same envoy got a lot of stick recently over the failure of negotiations in the Ukraine, Powell being one of the few to praise his efforts so make of that what you will.

It reminds me of the Peter Sellars sketch about the first American in space and how Britain played a vital role. He then interviews the manager of the factory that made the pen the astronaut uses.

Come to think of it when Trump called Starmer up to the podium maybe he wanted to thank him for borrowing his Mount Blanc? 😀

*Powell of course is under a great deal of criticism over his role in Chinagate so he needs a win.
Interesting thanks.
 
Hamas are executing people in public in the streets - some for supposed 'collaboration' with Israel. The terrorists are clearly still in control of Gaza. Israel will still need to go back and finish the job.
And I suspect that is exactly what many other Arab nations want. Don’t want to dirty their own hands but let the Israelis take the flak ( no pun intended). Most of tbe Arab world don’t appear to want to give refuge to Oalestinians, why is that 🤔
 
The US special envoy who praised Jonathon Powell's role is his mate.* That same envoy got a lot of stick recently over the failure of negotiations in the Ukraine, Powell being one of the few to praise his efforts so make of that what you will.

It reminds me of the Peter Sellars sketch about the first American in space and how Britain played a vital role. He then interviews the manager of the factory that made the pen the astronaut uses.

Come to think of it when Trump called Starmer up to the podium maybe he wanted to thank him for borrowing his Mount Blanc? 😀

*Powell of course is under a great deal of criticism over his role in Chinagate so he needs a win.
Snob! What’s wrong with a bic? 😂
 
And I suspect that is exactly what many other Arab nations want. Don’t want to dirty their own hands but let the Israelis take the flak ( no pun intended). Most of tbe Arab world don’t appear to want to give refuge to Oalestinians, why is that 🤔

The same Arab nations who've been crucial in negotiating the ceasefire..?

There's an enormous jump between not wanting to take on millions of refugees, and being happy with their massacre - conflating the two is mental.

Do we have to speculate over why any state would be hesitant to take in millions of refugees..? Would you be happy for us to do it?
 
The same Arab nations who've been crucial in negotiating the ceasefire..?

There's an enormous jump between not wanting to take on millions of refugees, and being happy with their massacre - conflating the two is mental.

Do we have to speculate over why any state would be hesitant to take in millions of refugees..? Would you be happy for us to do it?
We are well on the way to that figure are you happy that we are?
 
We are well on the way to that figure are you happy that we are?

We're nowhere near millions, but no, I think our current asylum system is completely unfit for purpose for various reasons.

But that's my point - we don't need to pretend there's some deeply cynical reason why neighbouring countries don't want millions of refugees from Palestine. No country wants millions of refugees from anywhere.
 
The same Arab nations who've been crucial in negotiating the ceasefire..?

There's an enormous jump between not wanting to take on millions of refugees, and being happy with their massacre - conflating the two is mental.

Do we have to speculate over why any state would be hesitant to take in millions of refugees..? Would you be happy for us to do it?

Who cares about happy?

I'm not saying it's right or fair, but these are Arab nations and Palestinians are Arabs. This issue is their problem. The fact that the Arab nations alongside Israel are also incredibly corrupt nations are still very financially weak is also their own doing.

Would I agree with you that Israel get to break rules that no one else does because of the number of Zionists in powerful positions in America.....Yes I do. I would agree that it's a crap situation for any nation, to have another nation's interests held equal to your own.

But Arab problems are Arab responsibilities, these are the cards that they left themselves with.

Internationalists don't care about that of course and will give 'get out of jail free' cards to non Europeans while at the same time beseeching European nations to take on populations with foreign allegiances....a percentage of whom will cause the state internal problems.

Nevertheless, If internationalists could get it done politically they would, because their allegiances are never to nation but to ideals.

However, my country is not a dumping ground for the problems of non Europeans. We have the consequences of our own European war to deal with. No one is saying that Arab countries should take some responsibility for Ukrainian issues, even though Saudi and Qatar are extremely rich.

I'm aware of course that Arab states have in the past taken on Palestinians and then come to regret and reject it for this very same issue....Jordan for example, where taking on significant numbers of Palestinians in the past led to an attempted coup.

Just as I criticize our particulation in the Ukraine war I'm also as non interventionist in the Israel/Palestinian war. Thanks largely to the work of the left and neoliberals over the best part of a century the power of this country to affect anything has been reduced to a laughable state.

Leave other countries alone to sort their own affairs out. When we do get involved we only end up getting blamed anyway.....As soon as you help you get lumbered with the responsibility and when anything goes wrong it's then somehow your fault.
 
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We're nowhere near millions, but no, I think our current asylum system is completely unfit for purpose for various reasons.

But that's my point - we don't need to pretend there's some deeply cynical reason why neighbouring countries don't want millions of refugees from Palestine. No country wants millions of refugees from anywhere.
How do you know? Are you just going by Channel Crossing figures for the last few years ? What about the copious amounts that arrive daily by flights, who are never mentioned? This has been going on since early 90s. Daily flights arriving from South America via Madrid( take note of that) with 1-200 on each flight. Daily arrivals of Chinese “asylum seekers” I could go on. These are facts, I personally interviewed 100s.
You are correct our asylum system is unfit for purpose. In no small part to not being able to detain ( thanks mainly to the left) and the nonsense that is the ECHR
 
How do you know? Are you just going by Channel Crossing figures for the last few years ? What about the copious amounts that arrive daily by flights, who are never mentioned? This has been going on since early 90s. Daily flights arriving from South America via Madrid( take note of that) with 1-200 on each flight. Daily arrivals of Chinese “asylum seekers” I could go on. These are facts, I personally interviewed 100s.
You are correct our asylum system is unfit for purpose. In no small part to not being able to detain ( thanks mainly to the left) and the nonsense that is the ECHR

Goodness me, the word asylum is like a red cloth to a bull with some of you 🤣

We agree that the asylum system is unfit for purpose. We agree that no country wants to take in millions of refugees. I'm not sure why you're ranting to me about it - you're supporting my point.
 
Who cares about happy?

I'm not saying it's right or fair, but these are Arab nations and Palestinians are Arabs. This issue is their problem. The fact that the Arab nations alongside Israel are also incredibly corrupt nations are still very financially weak is also their own doing.

Would I agree with you that Israel get to break rules that no one else does because of the number of Zionists in powerful positions in America.....Yes I do. I would agree that it's a crap situation for any nation, to have another nation's interests held equal to your own.

But Arab problems are Arab responsibilities, these are the cards that they left themselves with.

Internationalists don't care about that of course and will give 'get out of jail free' cards to non Europeans while at the same time beseeching European nations to take on populations with foreign allegiances....a percentage of whom will cause the state internal problems.

Nevertheless, If internationalists could get it done politically they would, because their allegiances are never to nation but to ideals.

However, my country is not a dumping ground for the problems of non Europeans. We have the consequences of our own European war to deal with. No one is saying that Arab countries should take some responsibility for Ukrainian issues, even though Saudi and Qatar are extremely rich.

I'm aware of course that Arab states have in the past taken on Palestinians and then come to regret and reject it for this very same issue....Jordan for example, where taking on significant numbers of Palestinians in the past led to an attempted coup.

Just as I criticize our particulation in the Ukraine war I also as non interventionist in the Israel/Palestinian war. Thanks largely to the work of the left and neoliberals over the best part of a century the power of this country to affect anything has been reduced to a laughable state.

Leave other countries alone to sort their own affairs out. When we do get involved we only end up getting blamed anyway.....As soon as you help you get lumbered with the responsibility and when anything goes wrong it's then somehow your fault.

WTF does this have to do with my post?

I'm not remotely suggesting or advocating that Palestinian refugees are a European problem to deal with, I'm just explaining why the same hesitancy exists amongst Arab states as it does elsewhere.
 
WTF does this have to do with my post?

I'm not remotely suggesting or advocating that Palestinian refugees are a European problem to deal with, I'm just explaining why the same hesitancy exists amongst Arab states as it does elsewhere.

It has to do with your post because I think you are, in effect arguing for greater European involvement in the problems of the middle east.

It takes up a large proportion of your involvement on these forums and seems to be almost a personal issue with you.
 
It has to do with your post because I think you are, in effect arguing for greater European involvement in the problems of the middle east.

It takes up a large proportion of your involvement on these forums and seems to be almost a personal issue with you.

It depends how you're defining involvement, but certainly I'm not in favour of huge numbers of refugees being relocated here which was the point being discussed.

I'm not sure what you mean by the bit in bold - the topic of Israel/Palestine certainly takes up most of my posts on the forums, but I've had little (if anything) to say about the resulting refugees or Europe's involvement in their relocation..?
 
WTF does this have to do with my post?

I'm not remotely suggesting or advocating that Palestinian refugees are a European problem to deal with, I'm just explaining why the same hesitancy exists amongst Arab states as it does elsewhere.
Had a quiet few days didn't you.

I'm sure you are satisfied now that Hamas are re establishing control in Gaza.
 
The same Arab nations who've been crucial in negotiating the ceasefire..?

There's an enormous jump between not wanting to take on millions of refugees, and being happy with their massacre - conflating the two is mental.

Do we have to speculate over why any state would be hesitant to take in millions of refugees..? Would you be happy for us to do it?
We probably have over the last 30 years !
 
This would make more sense to me.
I met a Tunisian architect once well connected in his home country. Aside from the tension with our close connection with Israel and the blip that was the 2nd Gulf War, the UK is seen there as largely pro-Arab.

One thing this country does well is quiet diplomacy. Lots of back channel stuff that goes under the radar. The sterling work of Egypt and the Qataris in the process was undoubtedly assisted by the UK.

I have no doubt we played a vital role.

Meanwhile, it is unsurprising Mike Huckabee had little grasp of that as this sort of detail is likely to be missed by that blowhard numpty. His staff will be aware though.
 

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