Israel v Hamas

Yeah of course it is David.

Let’s do the monthly dance where I condemn Hamas, agree that they would also commit genocide if they could, and highlight for maybe the 20th time on the thread that I think both sides of this are genocidal death cults.

Can’t wait to type that out again in a few weeks.
Israel are defending themselves against a Jihadi death cult who want to kill all Jews and form a world wide Caliphate.

But Israel are bombing indiscriminately killing tens of thousands including countless children, Christians and other people who have nothing whatever to do with Hamas.

Israel are defending themselves against a Jihadi death cult who want to kill all Jews and form a world wide Caliphate.

But Israel are bombing indiscriminately killing tens of thousands including countless children, Christians and other people who have nothing whatever to do with Hamas.

Israel are defending themselves against a Jihadi death cult who want to kill all Jews and form a world wide Caliphate.

But Israel are bombing indiscriminately...
 
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America vetoing a UN proposal for a ceasefire and return of hostages, etc, etc

The US has an agenda with this, not just Israel
 
Yeah of course it is David.

Let’s do the monthly dance where I condemn Hamas, agree that they would also commit genocide if they could, and highlight for maybe the 20th time on the thread that I think both sides of this are genocidal death cults.

Can’t wait to type that out again in a few weeks.


I SAID "rank hypocrisy". You've been calling genocide for 2 f***ing years but you don't call that a monthyl dance do you.

Why are you calling me David? If you're trying to be smart like you got one on me by knowing my name, you got it wrong. Not unlike you to end up with egg on your face though.
 
I SAID "rank hypocrisy". You've been calling genocide for 2 f***ing years but you don't call that a monthyl dance do you.

Why are you calling me David? If you're trying to be smart like you got one on me by knowing my name, you got it wrong. Not unlike you to end up with egg on your face though.

I haven't been calling genocide for 2 years - another lie, which has become a real habit of yours.

I'm calling you David because you remind me of David Mencer - another shameless liar who ties himself in knots defending a foreign government who are engaged in, at best, war crimes and at worst, genocide.

At least he gets paid to do it though.
 
Never heard of him.
 
Sorry to butt in but I saw my name mentioned and...

There is little doubt that the Jewish lobby in the US presses hard for Israel, as one would expect.

Jews number only around 10 million in the US, but they punch well above their weight in terms of power and influence. That is intended as a compliment.

But, as such, they exert disproportionate influence on policy, whoever is in power over there. That sounds like Jewish conspiracy but is a simple statement of what is. Like pensioners exerting considerable power over here due to their voting habits and numbers.

But for the Republicans there is another greater force that sits in uneasy alliance on Israel with the Jews. 25% of Americans describe themselves as evangelical Christians. Their views on life are wholly contained within the Bible. The Bible said the land was given to the Jews by God. That is it. Black and white. No argument. As such, anything Israel inflicts on the poor Palestinian (Including bombing hospitals, schools, even Christian churches) is mandated by God.

So, retrospective justifications on here about revenge for 9/11, creating a Caliphate, supporting the one island of western democracy etc. do not feature in their thinking. The only consideration is: God said it.

Unlike much of the other 75% of Americans who turn up in dribs and drabs at the polling station, they ALL vote; they ALL vote Republican; and they ALL demand 100% support for whatever Israel does.

Thus, the US gives Israel carte blanche. They cannot be an independent arbiter in this dispute. And unless the world wants to team up and take out the Americans, all it can do is stand by and tut at moderate but respectful volume from time to time.

"The Jewish lobby in the US presses hard for Israel… they exert disproportionate influence on policy."

This suggests secretive Jewish control and echoes antisemitic tropes and conspiracy theories.

The pro-Israel lobby is not even made up exclusively of Jews and includes defence contractors.

AIPAC spent about $4.5 million in 2024 on lobbying – far less than major lobbies like pharmaceuticals ($372 million) or oil and gas ($130 million).

Yes, it does have some influence but you are overplaying this... for some reason.

The lobbying is just one of a number factors: intelligence sharing, defence contracts, strategic for the region (fighting Iran and terrorism), public opinion in the US...

Not all evangelical Christians support Israel unconditionally. Many younger ones don't support the Biblical justifications you mention. 'Churches for Middle East Peace' advocate for Palestinian rights. In 2020, 76% of white evangelical voters supported Donald Trump, but this is not "all".

Saying "the US gives Israel carte blanche" is another exaggeration and there examples to prove it.

And why are so many other countries allied with Israel where the "Jewish lobby" doesn't really exist?
 
If Israel packed up and left the region there would be a massive power struggle between the countries around her, with all the different Muslim terror groups running the countries. When there is no enemy; that being Israel, they will find one. The deaths that are happening now would be tiny.
Israel is actually saving millions of lives by being the scapegoat of the region.
 
Put our own kids £30k in debt for their education but our tax is going to pay for a load of Palestinians to come to our universities. FREE.

I expect there will be a bunch of useless courses and free time to involve themselves in free Palestine activities. I bet the alphabets are salivating at the thought of them joining their protest groups

 
When Starmer recognises a Palestinian state later today, the devil will be in the detail.
Of course it would be conditional on formation of a proper Government - excluding terrorists
Democratic elections
And will he define borders ?

It's all very well Grandstanding on a bold political statement, but for me there's too much to be done before you get anywhere near recognition of a Palestinian state.
 
Like the fact that most of the Palestinians don't care about a state, they just want the Jews out of Israel completely, ethnic cleansing by removal preferably, or by murder if required. I say Palestinians because I mean those in the West Bank saying it.

Our resident Palestine flag wavers won't acknowledge it, but if you watch the YT channel "Ask Project" and you'll get broad honest opinions from people who live in the region.
 
Like the fact that most of the Palestinians don't care about a state, they just want the Jews out of Israel completely, ethnic cleansing by removal preferably, or by murder if required. I say Palestinians because I mean those in the West Bank saying it.

Our resident Palestine flag wavers won't acknowledge it, but if you watch the YT channel "Ask Project" and you'll get broad honest opinions from people who live in the region.
When were you able to conduct this survey?

I suspect most Palestinians are far too preoccupied with just surviving than to be concerned by such things at the moment. Even the hardliners in Hamas!

I had heard of the “Ask Project” and haven’t yet watched it. Whenever a new source is recommended I first find out who is behind it and what the motivation is. One of the comments found was this. I just leave it there:-

“There is definitely bias in the questions he ask. Palestinians often get asked "gotcha" questions where it is obvious that the intent behind the question is to expose Palestinian intransigence. I believe he supports himself on donations, hence people who donate also gets to influence what questions he asks. There is a certain framing which means many questions aren't exactly fair. His own perspective shines through in many or most questions. E.g., he is a native Canadian but choose to learn Hebrew to emigrate to Israel. He did not think learning Arabic was worthwhile so he carries around a translator when asking Palestinians questions.”
 
Suspect is linked to the left wing in CK shooting

Wisbech - 'its too early to say'

According to a survey average Palestinians look a bit genocidal

Wisbech - 'this survey I've not seen is clearly loaded'


Why don't you f***ing watch and learn? Ask Project has been about before Oct 7
 
Yeah of course it is David.

Let’s do the monthly dance where I condemn Hamas, agree that they would also commit genocide if they could, and highlight for maybe the 20th time on the thread that I think both sides of this are genocidal death cults.

Can’t wait to type that out again in a few weeks.
Then why, oh why do you keep calling out one side as the bad guys?

No one would disagree that what is going on is a s*** show, but it is happening for a reason.
 
Finally the Palestine flag waving idiots at the BBC got what they wanted, recognition of a state, then realised "oh, what do we do now? How does this resolve anything?".

Morons

 
Put our own kids £30k in debt for their education but our tax is going to pay for a load of Palestinians to come to our universities. FREE.

I expect there will be a bunch of useless courses and free time to involve themselves in free Palestine activities. I bet the alphabets are salivating at the thought of them joining their protest groups


Not just the students, once they got everything on the UK taxpayer they whine about the UK taxpayer not funding them bringing over their entire families too. Unbelievable, and of course they have wankers in refugee charities behind it, because it just hands them more charity money.

 
When Starmer recognises a Palestinian state later today, the devil will be in the detail.
Of course it would be conditional on formation of a proper Government - excluding terrorists
Democratic elections
And will he define borders ?

It's all very well Grandstanding on a bold political statement, but for me there's too much to be done before you get anywhere near recognition of a Palestinian state.
If I am correct, this enables a formal Palestinian Embassy to be structured in the UK, rather than a diplomatic mission. The contents of the diplomatic bag could be interesting…
 
If I am correct, this enables a formal Palestinian Embassy to be structured in the UK, rather than a diplomatic mission. The contents of the diplomatic bag could be interesting…
Their interpretation of head of state might be problematic.
 

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