Israel v Hamas

DanH said:
Again, don’t disagree, but are you happy with people like this being arrested and using up police time and money on free speech?
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I don't agree with arresting anyone protesting peacefully no. I don't know what happened in and around this but on the face of it....if that's true it's ridiculous.

The Police and the state overplay their hand all the time.....but you only complain when it's against lefty causes. That old right winger dying in prison over the riots, Connelly, the guy with bacon at the Mosque dying in prison....Not a peep then is it. No, the left cheered it on if anything or stayed silent.

Do I remember you being annoyed over that women who was arrested for praying near an abortion centre? No, can't say I do.....just blanket support for your mate.

I understand that really.....why should you care when it's against something the right believes in?....then again it means that no one on the right cares when the boot is on the other foot.

A race to the bottom leads to the bottom.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
I don't agree with arresting anyone protesting peacefully no. I don't know what happened in and around this but on the face of it....if that's true it's ridiculous.

The Police and the state overplay their hand all the time.....but you only complain when it's against lefty causes. That old right winger dying in prison over the riots, Connelly, the guy with bacon at the Mosque dying in prison....Not a peep then is it. No, the left cheered it on if anything or stayed silent.

Do I remember you being annoyed over that women who was arrested for praying near an abortion centre? No, can't say I do.....just blanket support for your mate.

I understand that really.....why should you care when it's against something the right believes in?....then again it means that no one on the right cares when the boot is on the other foot.

A race to the bottom leads to the bottom.
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I agree with all those cases you’ve said above. We’re doing alright recently.
 
DanH said:
Again, don’t disagree, but are you happy with people like this being arrested and using up police time and money on free speech?
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It’s an interesting point. But if you want to protest about Palestine why do it under the banner of a prescribed terrorist organisation. You can easily protest but these people have deliberately chosen to break the law. Seems like attention seeking, and don’t forget that Palestine Action caused £7 million of damage to defence equipment. Silly, really.
 
While I can agree with Dan on over zealous Police, where we would differ is on why we have all these middle eastern people in Britain and their right to stay here.

I have little time for people with dual loyalties and that's the situation here, we have imported foreigners and we have second and third generation people with British passports with no real identity with this country other than a passport. Yes, this makes them little different to actual progressives but sorry it's not good enough.

The elites have imported sectarianism and conflict.
 
Stirlingsays said:
While I can agree with Dan on over zealous Police, where we would differ is on why we have all these middle eastern people in Britain and their right to stay here.

I have little time for people with dual loyalties and that's the situation here, we have imported foreigners and we have second and third generation people with British passports with no real identity with this country other than a passport. Yes, this makes them little different to actual progressives but sorry it's not good enough.

The elites have imported sectarianism and conflict.
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If change were to happen to stop importing the 3rd world it would sadly take the death of a few police or important people or their families. This could come to pass as the realisation from the imported is they can get away with anything. Maybe we are past that tipping point !
 
cryrst said:
If change were to happen to stop importing the 3rd world it would sadly take the death of a few police or important people or their families. This could come to pass as the realisation from the imported is they can get away with anything. Maybe we are past that tipping point !
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Yes, I think we are past that point.

We are in managed decline and different governments just effect the speed of it.
 
DanH said:
Can you tell us how he died, where, and more importantly, why?
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No, that information wasn't on wiki. I was interested in how many times he'd played for his nation but Israel never picked him.

Can you tell me why you think Salah used his position like this rather than in the way I described? Appealing to Britain rather than his own nation that controls a direct border crossing with the region.

Don't you think that they have a lot of responsibility for the deaths by not letting them leave?
 
cryrst said:
If change were to happen to stop importing the 3rd world it would sadly take the death of a few police or important people or their families. This could come to pass as the realisation from the imported is they can get away with anything. Maybe we are past that tipping point !
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No, I don’t think even that would stop the importation. The numbers are too great to control and what do you think would happen when a UK government does start to get tough and actually sort the problem out by rounding up and deporting large numbers of migrants? It would just take a call to jihad from abroad to see where those new arrivals loyalties reside.
 
Common Sense Club said:
No, I don’t think even that would stop the importation. The numbers are too great to control and what do you think would happen when a UK government does start to get tough and actually sort the problem out by rounding up and deporting large numbers of migrants? It would just take a call to jihad from abroad to see where those new arrivals loyalties reside.
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Yep, they have imported sectarianism and conflict and I think they know they have.....but neoliberal government is nearly always about short termism and it also near exclusively picks from socially liberal middle and higher classes who are heavily indoctrinated into 'anti racism', feminism and all the other anit 'isms' that have brought the country to its current state....birth rates, immigration and all the rest of it.

It's ideology and utopian not practical long term consideration of human nature and negatives. The radical position of rapidly changing the country and thus creating the problem and then finger pointing at you saying you're the problem if you object....and having the cheek to call you the extremist when you are the one living with the issues they create.

Just as the establishment nor the supportive media elements will never take responsibility nor accountability for anything that goes wrong or works out badly but instead either goes radio silent on it or doubles down using some moral justification for its stances...All while persecuting/jailing anyone who looks like they may be a leader or prominent......the reality is that the state will always behave like this....well it's like the parent who supports trans ideology who will deny until they are blue in the face that they have had anything to do with their male child wearing dresses.

None of it can be fixed because it's the nature of the elite class that has come from the indoctrinated universities....if anything it's going to get worse.

And then when sh1te gets real they will be out there blaming it all on others.....for essentially not being them. Even though the vast majority of them won't be living near the problems.

It's grim....Never forget it wasn't us who created this mess, it was them and their supporting class/cast of enablers.
 
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