Iran

As Matov says, It's almost unfathomable how the USA allowed itself to get drawn unto this at Israel's request. It seems to be the case of the tail wagging the dog.
I (probably like US intelligence) have no idea how this will get resolved. People are dying, and Europe will suffer the most financially.
Meanwhile the killing machine that is Israel continues to steal land and expand it's borders whilst bombing and striking it's neighbours.
 
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CPFCSaturn said:
I’m not sure why you keep talking about the left - as has been explained to you, and as is evidenced on this thread, this is not a left wing view. It’s very low level to keep insisting it is.

As is suggesting that we ignore the lessons we learned from the last time we took a remarkably similar course of action to what you propose - it’s outright ridiculous to call that emotionalism.

Forgive me if have some scepticism about whatever claims the Americans make publicly.
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Agreed. I think for once that this issue cuts across the political divide, most people including myself just want to stay away from this clusterf*ck.
 
Everyday the situation gets worse in the gulf the harder it will be to fix , Those predicting a short war at the outset brought about by the massive US and Israeli firepower have been proven to be over confident and misinformed by Trump , An Iranian peoples revolution isn’t going to happen and Iran aren’t going to surrender .
We have vital oil and gas fields being destroyed daily , Iran seem to have an endless supply of missiles and drones which again contradicts Trumps assertion that Irans military capability had been obliterated .
As I said this war is just bringing more pain to the Western world as each day passes .
Israel clearly don’t communicate with Trump before setting targets to destroy going by Trumps online posts today .
Gas and Oil prices predictably up again this morning ..
 
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CPFCSaturn said:
I’m not sure why you keep talking about the left - as has been explained to you, and as is evidenced on this thread, this is not a left wing view. It’s very low level to keep insisting it is.

As is suggesting that we ignore the lessons we learned from the last time we took a remarkably similar course of action to what you propose - it’s outright ridiculous to call that emotionalism.

Forgive me if have some scepticism about whatever claims the Americans make publicly.
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Some people don't get beyond the politics of the pantomime.

They take positions on subjects based upon perceived tribal loyalties rather than independent thought.
They cheer and they boo on command.
They are resistant to new information.

This is prevalent on the mainstream left and on the mainstream right. As a consequence you see them contort themselves into the most crazy positions to stay with the tribe, positions that they would themselves have despised only a decade or so previously. Leftists now attack feminists, Rightists defend criminals, there are many examples
 
McAhuna said:
Some people don't get beyond the politics of the pantomime.

They take positions on subjects based upon perceived tribal loyalties rather than independent thought.
They cheer and they boo on command.
They are resistant to new information.

This is prevalent on the mainstream left and on the mainstream right. As a consequence you see them contort themselves into the most crazy positions to stay with the tribe, positions that they would themselves have despised only a decade or so previously. Leftists now attack feminists, Rightists defend criminals, there are many examples
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this pantomime sadly seems to be what alot of people want 😒
 
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McAhuna said:
Is the same intelligence that advised invading Iraq because of its WMD?

Or are we 'deliberately ignoring the obvious'?
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Well it is possible they could be lying needless to say, but they certainly did bomb something. I don't remember the Iranians claiming that they didn't have a nuclear program.

What is interesting is how many people suddenly think that Iran's nuclear ambitions are not a danger to the West. It's almost like they are trying to justify their position now that threat has been postponed/ended.
 
Ouzo Dan said:
Iran are hitting Gas sites all over the middle east in retaliation to their own Gas site being struck by team Epstein.

If you've got any common sense at all id suggest filling your car up with petrol/diesel & getting some supplies, there's no brakes on this conflict.
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Which would actually make any problem worse.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
I’m not sure why you keep talking about the left - as has been explained to you, and as is evidenced on this thread, this is not a left wing view. It’s very low level to keep insisting it is.

As is suggesting that we ignore the lessons we learned from the last time we took a remarkably similar course of action to what you propose - it’s outright ridiculous to call that emotionalism.

Forgive me if have some scepticism about whatever claims the Americans make publicly.
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Aren't you the same person who supported Palestinians and hates Jews?

Not really objective are you.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
Well it is possible they could be lying needless to say, but they certainly did bomb something. I don't remember the Iranians claiming that they didn't have a nuclear program.

What is interesting is how many people suddenly think that Iran's nuclear ambitions are not a danger to the West. It's almost like they are trying to justify their position now that threat has been postponed/ended.
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Iran has persistently denied having a nuclear weapons program. Quite rightly this was viewed with scepticism. This led to the US "obliterating" their facilities last year.
Israel now claims that they were somehow, despite this obliteration, in January 2026 on the brink of developing weapons. No evidence has been shared by them to support this, not even with the US. This suggests it is probably as accurate as the WMD before Irag i.e. doesn't exist.
Israel now going rogue on Trump and Trump in retaliation threatening to bomb the worlds biggest gas plant.
Tulsi Gabbard US head of intelligence washing her hands and saying all decisions made by Trump.
This war is escalating. Trump & Netanyahu v Iran. Something needs to give as Iran will never surrender. The hope is that both sides will agree to either Putin or Modi as mediators. Now that would be ironic if Putin did so and won the Noble Peace prize....
 
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CPFCSaturn said:
It's amazing you think this is a good angle in light of allegations of childish tribalism and simplistic takes 🤣
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You effectively supported Hamas against a Western ally. Anyone can read your posts.
 
kevlee said:
Iran has persistently denied having a nuclear weapons program. Quite rightly this was viewed with scepticism. This led to the US "obliterating" their facilities last year.
Israel now claims that they were somehow, despite this obliteration, in January 2026 on the brink of developing weapons. No evidence has been shared by them to support this, not even with the US. This suggests it is probably as accurate as the WMD before Irag i.e. doesn't exist.
Israel now going rogue on Trump and Trump in retaliation threatening to bomb the worlds biggest gas plant.
Tulsi Gabbard US head of intelligence washing her hands and saying all decisions made by Trump.
This war is escalating. Trump & Netanyahu v Iran. Something needs to give as Iran will never surrender. The hope is that both sides will agree to either Putin or Modi as mediators. Now that would be ironic if Putin did so and won the Noble Peace prize....
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Do you think stopping now would lead to a better outcome than increasing the attacks on Iran?

Iran cannot be trusted with any ceasefire or agreement. There is undoubtedly short term pain from this conflict, but I really can't see how we emerge in a better place by bottling it now because the going is getting tough.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
I'd invite you to try and find one post of mine supporting Hamas.
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I doubt you actually said, 'I support Hamas'. That is not how you leftists operate.
 
It's a real shame that in a discussion thread, I have to have some posters on 'ignore', because their posts become largely filled with personal abuse and it distracts from valid points.

I think the markets are reacting in a volatile way (always pricing upwards) which makes the situation seem more precarious that it maybe it. (hopes)
I'm hoping that military action won't escalate, because the stakes are incredibly high.
The only fly in the ointment is the unpredictable nature of the Israeli Government and their military
 
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CPFCSaturn said:
It doesn't need to say that - any post of mine suggesting support of Hamas will do.

As I said, I think this deflection says it all about the strength of your argument on this topic - absolutely drowning in it.
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Your attitude has a pattern. You condemned Israel over Palestine. You condemn Israel over Iran.
I don't need to say more. Anyone can read your posts and come to their own conclusions.

If I'm looking for objectivity, I'm not coming to you.
 
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