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The solution is that you don't put them up in hotels.
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Immigration
- Topic starter Rudi Hedman
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Other countries in the EU have now got to grips with the problem so it can be done. The question is do the politicians want to do it.
Forest Hillbilly
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When you say "get to grips", you mean they herd them towards Calais and give them inflatable boats ? meant to be a serious question, or do you just mean they've supressed media coverage. ?
HMG are now addressing legal migration, whoopee do. But we want the boats stopped, with the influx of unskilled criminals which seems more pressing that stopping legal migrants.
Or have I got it wrong ?
Teddy Eagle
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Sir Kier is currently outlining his new policy on immigration. He spoke about the rising numbers in the last few years.
He doesn't think that "you can do something like that by accident, it was a choice," he argues, and says this was a "one nation experiment" on open borders.
He doesn't think that "you can do something like that by accident, it was a choice," he argues, and says this was a "one nation experiment" on open borders.
Both Sweden and Denmark have significantly reduced illegal immigration. Germany has just announced it will not consider asylum applications from people without id.
Across Europe now countries are tightening their controls so it is possible whether this government will actually make a difference remains to be seen.
Wisbech Eagle
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England
Listening to the Starmer statement and news conference. This feels solely like a political response to a problem and not a well structured new strategy. It will likely cause many more problems than ever it solves.
Providing the training resources to get the unemployed into care work will take years. Raising the wages of carers would cost a fortune, which as the biggest cost in providing care would make it even more unaffordable than it is today. Pushing people who are physiologically unsuited for care work into the sector isn’t sensible. So in the short to medium future this will just increase staff shortages and reduce the number of places in care homes and domiciliary care workers. In the longer term it will probably have to be reversed. It will impact the NHS too, where a lot of the routine work on wards and in clinics is done by HCAs (health care assistants) and not nurses.
Increasing the qualifying period to achieve settled status from 5 to 10 years is meaningless window dressing. Ensuring those who come here can speak English at a level that encourages integration and ensures good communication is already in place. Raising the bar to a higher level than many born here possess makes no sense.
This is pandering to popular opinion. It isn’t leadership. A new strategy designed to be implemented over a much longer time frame is what is really needed. Starting with providing the training resources and ensuring the unemployed use them. Many of the controls we need already exist. What is needed are more people to implement them.
Providing the training resources to get the unemployed into care work will take years. Raising the wages of carers would cost a fortune, which as the biggest cost in providing care would make it even more unaffordable than it is today. Pushing people who are physiologically unsuited for care work into the sector isn’t sensible. So in the short to medium future this will just increase staff shortages and reduce the number of places in care homes and domiciliary care workers. In the longer term it will probably have to be reversed. It will impact the NHS too, where a lot of the routine work on wards and in clinics is done by HCAs (health care assistants) and not nurses.
Increasing the qualifying period to achieve settled status from 5 to 10 years is meaningless window dressing. Ensuring those who come here can speak English at a level that encourages integration and ensures good communication is already in place. Raising the bar to a higher level than many born here possess makes no sense.
This is pandering to popular opinion. It isn’t leadership. A new strategy designed to be implemented over a much longer time frame is what is really needed. Starting with providing the training resources and ensuring the unemployed use them. Many of the controls we need already exist. What is needed are more people to implement them.
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Starmer becomes Enoch Powell - it's all very entertaining!
Started by Blair
I do find his approach baffling, has started at the wrong point imo. All time and available resources should be put into stopping illegal migration. Unfortunately no politician appears to have a clue as to how this can be done. Stop giving them the earth and put a deterrent in place is the obvious starting point
Hrolf The Ganger
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The sight of Starmer pretending to U Turn on Immigration makes me want to puke on my shoes.
This is smash the gangs part 2.
One big take away from this is that he is finally admitting what I could have told him a decade ago, which is that mass immigration does not improve the economy.
He now wants to import skilled workers only. No s*** Sherlock.
He is basically conceding that what he calls the 'far right'. (That's people who objected to mass migration according to the left) were correct all along.
There is no credible way of going back from this point.
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Stirlingsays
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More like David Cameron.
Heard all this before.....it's about presentation not reality.
The reality is that immigration will still increase, but that it will be more slowly by some metric.
It's talking tough while fiddling at the edges.
People are still going to see their living spaces change and become foreign to them with competing cultures not integrating......just as people like me were saying forty years ago (and called names for).
The difference being that now people are going to be dealing with the uncomfortable truths of suicidal empathy instead of its comfortable lies when it's always impacting some chav class they don't like instead of them.....no longer is it some time off in the future.
The people they demonised like Powell were right.....like most high functioning autists, he cared more about the truth than being popular with the chattering classes......the future will see those who supported what's happening demonised....which will at least be something.
Stirlingsays
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They know how to do it.
You stop all economic incentives to come here for low skilled labour. (hell with AI and automation even the left will end up seeing sense)
They won't do it properly yet because it goes against their liberal globalisation goals....for the moment they will use all the fake policy changes (like today) legal and intimidation and media lies they can to battle the anti immigration parties. They are all part of the same neo/social liberal based order in Europe.....which believes more in the continued rule of liberal institutions than the rule of democracy....where any democratic threat is called 'populism'.....which is people voting against their rule.
ASCPFC
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An obvious way to stop immigration is to offer no pathway to citizenship or social welfare, except for the barest minimum standard to keep people safe and alive for asylum seekers. Nobody will come except genuine people in fear of their lives if there is no incentive.
A way to counter gangs will be to take out adverts in immigration hotspots showing the reality of fake asylum seekers - either getting killed trying stupid things, or living in a detention centre environment.
At the moment, there are travel agencies in Africa that take a couple of grand, take your passport and put you on a flight at the airport, and tell you that Europe will give you everything. The reality is and needs to be, somewhat different.
A way to counter gangs will be to take out adverts in immigration hotspots showing the reality of fake asylum seekers - either getting killed trying stupid things, or living in a detention centre environment.
At the moment, there are travel agencies in Africa that take a couple of grand, take your passport and put you on a flight at the airport, and tell you that Europe will give you everything. The reality is and needs to be, somewhat different.
ASCPFC
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Starmer has to make room for the couple of million Palestinians that Trump and Nethanyahu have ordered him to take. So he might do something for a while.
Wisbech Eagle
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I agree with you, with the exception that the illegals are being given the earth. We are just meeting our treaty obligations. If a perilous journey, with a very real risk of death on the way, doesn’t deter then what else could?
Illegal immigration is what concerns most people though and not those coming here to fill holes in our economy.
eaglesdare
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If this is Nigel Farage he is a far right and a racist 🤷🏻♂️
Wisbech Eagle
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You are talking about the illegals. Starmer isn’t.
Hrolf The Ganger
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This is just the usual self serving vote whoring we have come to expect.
Reform have them quaking in their careerist boots.
Wisbech Eagle
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Is there never an end to the bs you post here!
Today’s announcement might have been entirely reactionary nonsense but it had nothing at all to do with illegal immigration.
Stopping care workers coming here and getting the work done by those now drawing benefits is the type of garbage we are used to from Reform supporters.
The reality is that withdrawing the Health and Social Worker visa will have a very real impact on an already struggling sector. A sector which already has the highest proportion of vacancies which will now get much worse. A sector in which AI only has a limited role.
As anyone who has tried to find a place for someone needing care, let alone paying for it, knows this is already a crisis. One that impacts everyone through the knock on effect of bed blocking in hospitals and the consequential cancellation of elective care.
This ridiculous political move is populism on fire. It’s imitating the very worst kind of people pandering policy put forward from the right.
A long term solution to fixing the care crisis is needed. Not a short term sticking plaster over a perceived political threat.
Free accommodation, all food, free healthcare ( doctors and dentists), new clothes on arrival, free mobile phones. I’m not sure the treaty obliges us to be so obliging.
What would deter them? Rwanda