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Wisbech Eagle said:
Have you never heard that we all miss things that are actually very obvious when we are focused on something else! Police officers are trained to observe but they are nonetheless as human as everyone else. It’s the very reason why eye witness accounts are so very unreliable.

I don’t question the facts of the injuries and the evidence later discovered. I do question the assumptions that these were deliberately ignored. No policeman would do that.

It’s not incompetence. It’s just the frailty of being human.

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But they automatically took the word of the perpetrator that he had been racially abused!
In situations like this, you separate the 2 parties and take their version of events. If they had done this, it would have been immediately apparent that one was seriously injured, even if they missed all the blood 🤔. Before Wissie explains that I am not a Police Officer, I have been involved as a witness in several altercations at the airport ( obviously not involving knives). On every occasion the parties are separated and spoken to individually, at the same time. This was a case of believing the claim of racism without getting the facts and completely ignoring the young lad was dying. Oh I know how about listening to him when he said he had been stabbed? Not difficult is it

Then they were most certainly not up to being a police officer
 
Spiderman said:
But they automatically took the word of the perpetrator that he had been racially abused!
In situations like this, you separate the 2 parties and take their version of events. If they had done this, it would have been immediately apparent that one was seriously injured, even if they missed all the blood 🤔. Before Wissie explains that I am not a Police Officer, I have been involved as a witness in several altercations at the airport ( obviously not involving knives). On every occasion the parties are separated and spoken to individually, at the same time. This was a case of believing the claim of racism without getting the facts and completely ignoring the young lad was dying. Oh I know how about listening to him when he said he had been stabbed? Not difficult is it

Then they were most certainly not up to being a police officer
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He hasn’t answered as I asked the first sentence many times.
 
cryrst said:
You missed the point and haven’t answered. Why handcuff someone accused of being racist. Accused is the word. You are skirting around it as usual.
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Perhaps you missed my answer. I said I don’t know. Any more than you do! I assume it was because they thought it to be the best way to contain the situation they first thought they were dealing with, given what they had to go on at that time. Something that the Judge in giving sentence today seems to confirm:-

“Digwa misled police by giving a "convincing but wholly false narrative of the incident" when officers arrived, the judge says.

Digwa told officers he had not been stabbed and was exaggerating, accusing Nowak of attacking him, the court heard.

Police handcuffed Nowak about a minute before discovering his fatal wound and giving treatment, the judge says.

"The knife wound would not have been obvious in the dark," Judge Mousley continues.

"Henry was complaining that he had been stabbed and was struggling to breathe but that would not necessarily have told the officers how serious the incident had become."”
 
Spiderman said:
Obviously I wasn’t, I haven’t made it up!! IF what I say is true FFS just Google it, a counter “demonstration” at a vigil for a murder victim.

Here we go, unless of course you don’t want to believe it ( would not surprise me tbh)

https://twitter.com/x/status/2061105984651608509

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It was the assumption it disrupted the vigil I was questioning. It might have been done quietly and at a distance for all I know. I don’t trust any report from the right wing press. Nevertheless it wasn’t a clever thing to do.
 
Spiderman said:
But they automatically took the word of the perpetrator that he had been racially abused!
In situations like this, you separate the 2 parties and take their version of events. If they had done this, it would have been immediately apparent that one was seriously injured, even if they missed all the blood 🤔. Before Wissie explains that I am not a Police Officer, I have been involved as a witness in several altercations at the airport ( obviously not involving knives). On every occasion the parties are separated and spoken to individually, at the same time. This was a case of believing the claim of racism without getting the facts and completely ignoring the young lad was dying. Oh I know how about listening to him when he said he had been stabbed? Not difficult is it

Then they were most certainly not up to being a police officer
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It would not have been “automatic”. That’s simply the presumption of those who want to present themselves as victims of a progressive culture. The Judge’s words today explains it and he isn’t making presumptions. He has heard, and considered, the evidence.

“Digwa misled police by giving a "convincing but wholly false narrative of the incident" when officers arrived, the judge says.

Digwa told officers he had not been stabbed and was exaggerating, accusing Nowak of attacking him, the court heard.

Police handcuffed Nowak about a minute before discovering his fatal wound and giving treatment, the judge says.

"The knife wound would not have been obvious in the dark," Judge Mousley continues.

"Henry was complaining that he had been stabbed and was struggling to breathe but that would not necessarily have told the officers how serious the incident had become."”
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
It was the assumption it disrupted the vigil I was questioning. It might have been done quietly and at a distance for all I know. I don’t trust any report from the right wing press. Nevertheless it wasn’t a clever thing to do.
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So you are saying I assumed? You think that if it was done quietly it was acceptable? 😳 “ not a clever thing to do!” That is a pretty awful statement, how about it was a disgrace?
Oh by the way, now being reported on news that he was dragged along gravel by the Police. Something else you wouldn’t believe.
If you don’t believe anything from right wing press, presumably you believe left wing press? If not, who do you believe, apart from your own views?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
It would not have been “automatic”. That’s simply the presumption of those who want to present themselves as victims of a progressive culture. The Judge’s words today explains it and he isn’t making presumptions. He has heard, and considered, the evidence.

“Digwa misled police by giving a "convincing but wholly false narrative of the incident" when officers arrived, the judge says.

Digwa told officers he had not been stabbed and was exaggerating, accusing Nowak of attacking him, the court heard.

Police handcuffed Nowak about a minute before discovering his fatal wound and giving treatment, the judge says.

"The knife wound would not have been obvious in the dark," Judge Mousley continues.

"Henry was complaining that he had been stabbed and was struggling to breathe but that would not necessarily have told the officers how serious the incident had become."”
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First 2 sentences again are disgraceful. Nowak said he had been stabbed as did some witnesses. Why did they handcuff him rather than not administer first aid? Your defence of the police, in this case, beggars belief tbh. You surely are trolling.
Hopefully his brother and mother will be prosecuted for attempting to cover up the crime and lying to the Police. Presumably you have sympathy for them as well?
 
Spiderman said:
So you are saying I assumed? You think that if it was done quietly it was acceptable? 😳 “ not a clever thing to do!” That is a pretty awful statement, how about it was a disgrace?
Oh by the way, now being reported on news that he was dragged along gravel by the Police. Something else you wouldn’t believe.
If you don’t believe anything from right wing press, presumably you believe left wing press? If not, who do you believe, apart from your own views?
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I don’t believe any of the press in these kind of circumstances. They all spin and miss out things to make sure their narrative is heard.

I am much more believing of the judge’s account. He having heard the evidence and doesn’t have a narrative.

People can protest. Who though organised the “vigil”. Was it the family or was it perhaps a politically motivated group try to exploit the situation.

If the former it was disgusting to protest about racism. If the latter, it was probably still unwise.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I don’t believe any of the press in these kind of circumstances. They all spin and miss out things to make sure their narrative is heard.

I am much more believing of the judge’s account. He having heard the evidence and doesn’t have a narrative.

People can protest. Who though organised the “vigil”. Was it the family or was it perhaps a politically motivated group try to exploit the situation.

If the former it was disgusting to protest about racism. If the latter, it was probably still unwise.
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Unbelievable
 
Spiderman said:
First 2 sentences again are disgraceful. Nowak said he had been stabbed as did some witnesses. Why did they handcuff him rather than not administer first aid? Your defence of the police, in this case, beggars belief tbh. You surely are trolling.
Hopefully his brother and mother will be prosecuted for attempting to cover up the crime and lying to the Police. Presumably you have sympathy for them as well?
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Read the Judge! He was handcuffed for a minute, but as soon as his injuries became apparent they were removed and first aid administered.

I can easily understand the scenario. In the dark, responding to an altercation, being lied to by one party, hasty, but mistaken decision, quite possibly by just one officer.

It’s easy to see it as awful with hindsight. Not so easy at the time.

I have no sympathy for anyone attempting to pervert the course of justice. The murderer will serve a minimum of 21 years. Those trying to cover up his crime totally deserve prosecution.
 
Basic questions that need answers
1) Why was the victim not believed but the perpetrator was?
2) Why were witnesses not believed?
3) Why, when he said he had been stabbed and couldn’t breath, did the police not immediately administer first aid, rather than handcuff him?
Those Officers showed a complete dereliction of duty, there was no threat to them, there was no confrontation taking place at the time. Their duty should have been to separately interview both parties, at which time it should have been obvious an ambulance was needed.
I look forward to seeing the webcam footage and let’s see how defensible their actions are
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Read what the Judge has to say and you will understand. There wasn’t “a trail of blood”. There was a convincing false narrative in the dark.
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Read the court report.
“After he had been stabbed, Henry climbed on to a bin and over a fence to try and escape but he had already been fatally wounded and there was a blood trail on the street which demonstrates that he must have been stabbed before he climbed on to the bin and over the fence"
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Read the court report.
“After he had been stabbed, Henry climbed on to a bin and over a fence to try and escape but he had already been fatally wounded and there was a blood trail on the street which demonstrates that he must have been stabbed before he climbed on to the bin and over the fence"
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Listen to the statement from his father
“ Despite being unable to sit up, he was handcuffed, DRAGGED ALONG GRAVEL ( perhaps he is lying Wissie!)and formally arrested for assault. He was read his rights which was the last thing he heard before he died”. ANYONE who can defend the police after hearing this, need to take a long hard look at themselves
 
After the sentencing a member of Digwa’s family shouted at the Nowak family that Henry was a racist. FFS whoever shouted that should have been arrested.
 
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