eaglesdare
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At last a bit of common sense down by Cornwall.
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- Topic starter Rudi Hedman
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At last a bit of common sense down by Cornwall.
Wisbech Eagle
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I don’t know this man, or his politics, but the fact that it’s on GBNews raises an eyebrow.
I do though know Tintagel and the hotel. It’s big and the only hotel of any real size in the village. A small village which is almost entirely based on tourism. Most visitors don’t stay there. They arrive whilst on holiday in other parts of Cornwall to see the legendary castle and its spectacular setting. It’s totally different to Newquay which has a large number of hotels with thousands of people staying in them. One or two of them accommodating asylum seekers will hardly be noticed. In Tintagel if the only hotel did it would change everything.
So deciding to refuse the contract makes sense. It might have provided short term profit but would have caused long term damage to his reputation and his business.
I can understand why the Home Office is trying to place the contracts. They don’t want the illegals anymore than anyone else but whilst they remain so behind in the processing they have to put them somewhere. Finding suitable hotels in suitable places cannot be easy but this looks like an ill considered choice. Bigger resorts with a variety of hotels makes more sense.
cryrst
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How about using a big boat somewhere,
Hang on …….
Wisbech Eagle
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That there ought, by now, to be better solutions than using hotels is surely true. Keeping families together is important but single adults ought, in my opinion, be expected to work under close supervision, be paid just enough to sustain themselves, and live in barrack type accommodation. There’s farm work needing to be done all year long. Finding the supervisors is probably the problem.
dreamwaverider
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Up to one in 12 people living in London is an illegal migrant, report claims
Sixty percent of undocumented migrants in UK said to be residing in London
www.standard.co.uk
Staggering numbers, staggeringly low!
Various commentators are saying the number is well over 2 million nationwide.
Wisbech Eagle
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This was covered a few weeks ago as this isn’t a new assertion. It was said to be misleading due the way the data was constructed includes categories who ought not be counted.Up to one in 12 people living in London is an illegal migrant, report claims
Sixty percent of undocumented migrants in UK said to be residing in London
Staggering numbers, staggeringly low!
Various commentators are saying the number is well over 2 million nationwide.
Immigration: 1 in 12 Daily Telegraph headline writers can’t count* – Joint Public Issues Team
*this headline, like the Telegraph’s recent front page on immigration, has no statistical basis. On 22 January, the Daily Telegraph tried to convince Londoners they were surrounded by potentially society wrecking illegal immigrants with the front-page headline “1 in 12 Londoners is an illegal...
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HRA scuppers your idea immediately.
Teddy Eagle
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Even if the number quoted is double the true figure that's still more than 350,000 people in London.
There are only four boroughs with a higher population.
There are only four boroughs with a higher population.
Wisbech Eagle
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Changes to the right of citizenship have already, quietly, been introduced.
Reinterpretation of the HRA ought to be possible. We already employ migrant workers in agriculture.
You will know better than me but it feels as though there ought to be a better way that maintains dignity for the genuine asylum seeker whilst ensuring our hospitality is not abused.
Wisbech Eagle
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What if the number quoted is completely wrong and the truth is less than 1% of it? Which actually seems more likely given the misinterpretation of the data.
Asylum seekers aren’t illegal. The illegals are the overstayers. Students who remain longer than their visas permit. Most of who will return to their home country at some time.
It’s a wind up designed to get the pulses racing of the tabloid reader. Or, in this case, shamefully, the Telegraph reader.
Unfortunately any genuine asylum seekers are now “lumped” in with the overwhelming majority who are not! When you interview these people it is relatively easy to distinguish between the two. However, whether genuine or not you get the same treatment, personally I cannot see this changing anytime soon, due to HRA and some of the utter bizarre decisions being taken by our courts.
The change to Citizenship rights is a start but does not assist in removing those that have no right to remain. Many are not concerned about obtaining citizenship, just remaining here.
No chance of HRA being reinterpreted, this does not need explaining
Your second paragraph is not strictly correct. Illegals are not just overstayers, they may be working whilst on a visit visa, working full-time and not attending courses whilst on a student visa ( yes it does happen). Any person who enters the country, undocumented is technically an illegal entrant. You would be surprised how many students do not leave after their studies, at least the student dependent entry has been restricted
It's a poor argument, once a person is here without permission it's a moot point whether they came legally and over stayed or arrived by boat or plane, whether they claimed asylum or not. That is another argument. This was about how many people are here.
The fact is that there are huge numbers of people here who are undocumented and unvetted many of them working in illegals jobs or using forged documentation.
When I joined M&S Bromley they had just sacked 10% of their staff for being illegal. It was a mixture of forged documentation / id's, legal visas but unable to work and failure to provide documentation and of course HR failing to do its checks properly.
Teddy Eagle
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What if the number quoted is an under estimate.
Wisbech Eagle
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Students were given as an example. Not to be the exclusive category. I realise there are other ways people are illegally here. Seeking asylum not being one, although so many seem to think it is the main contributor.
Wisbech Eagle
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What if this report doesn’t actually tell us anything at all because the data is being misrepresented?
Teddy Eagle
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Alright, then. What does your survey reveal as the true number?
dreamwaverider
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North of 2 million.
My guess is north of 3.
My guess is north of 3.
dreamwaverider
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JD Vance's view on mass immigration in Europe, from Munich where he is today -
Vance addresses mass migration, noting that nearly one in five people living in Germany come from a migrant background.
“It’s a result of a series of conscious decisions made by politicians all over the continent and the world over the span of a decade. We saw the horrors wrought by these decisions yesterday in this very city.
“How many times must we suffer these appalling setbacks,” he asks, before Europe takes itself in a “new direction”.
“More and more all over Europe they are voting for leaders that promise to put an end to out of control migration,” he adds. “They are smart...they don’t want to be relentlessly ignored by their leaders.”
He then urges EU leaders to stop, as he sees it, ignoring anger from voters who are supporting far-Right or populist parties because they are so concerned about mass migration. '
I wonder what the numbers marked in bold are in the UK?
Just googled it....
At the time of the 2021/22 Census, 16% of people in the UK had been born abroad. The UK's foreign-born population increased rapidly between 2004 and 2021. According to data from the latest Census – which combines 2021 data from England, Wales, and Northern Ireland with 2022 data for Scotland – it stood at 10.7 million.
So similar to Germany.
Vance addresses mass migration, noting that nearly one in five people living in Germany come from a migrant background.
“It’s a result of a series of conscious decisions made by politicians all over the continent and the world over the span of a decade. We saw the horrors wrought by these decisions yesterday in this very city.
“How many times must we suffer these appalling setbacks,” he asks, before Europe takes itself in a “new direction”.
“More and more all over Europe they are voting for leaders that promise to put an end to out of control migration,” he adds. “They are smart...they don’t want to be relentlessly ignored by their leaders.”
He then urges EU leaders to stop, as he sees it, ignoring anger from voters who are supporting far-Right or populist parties because they are so concerned about mass migration. '
I wonder what the numbers marked in bold are in the UK?
Just googled it....
At the time of the 2021/22 Census, 16% of people in the UK had been born abroad. The UK's foreign-born population increased rapidly between 2004 and 2021. According to data from the latest Census – which combines 2021 data from England, Wales, and Northern Ireland with 2022 data for Scotland – it stood at 10.7 million.
So similar to Germany.
eaglesdare
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Well said 👏🏻