Humble pie over Parish anyone?

[rikz]

We're in the prem because of parish, we have glasner and are competing at the top because of parish, we won the fa cup because of parish.

We dont have a stand because of parish, we got kicked out of the Europa because of parish, we've lost Guehi on a free because of Parish. I dont really see a problem with the criticism.

If Lacroix has a poor performance against Everton and costs us points, in the match discussion we can criticise his performance, it doesn't mesn he hasnt been a great player for us.

 

[georgenorman]

The attitude of many fans can change after just one result. When we inevitably lose a game, some will start criticising Parish and Glasner.

 

[Eagleman13]

The OP is correct & well done for pulling up people. Unfortunately, the amount of 'pantwetters' has increased. Some of them, genuinely have the clubs best interests at heart, others, well nuff said. Looking forward to it all starting again come end of November, or, when we lose a couple of games. Pathetic.

 

[Spindle]

Sky just ran a Sky Sports advert that has Pulis, Allardyce and Pardew in it, quite funny too.

Just thought this was a good place to put that since they are all Parish appointments

 

[park the bus]

Parish out!

 

[Rudi Hedman]

I think we all had valid concerns when it looked like the Guehi deal was done and dusted with no replacement, so whilst I will say that it takes some grit to pull out of that deal and lose that money (and fair play to Guehi as he's still giving us 100%) that was avoidable. It seems apparent that everyone who needed to know at the club knew that Guehi was going to leave very shortly after the FA Cup final and we had the whole transfer window to find a replacement. Instead it felt like the focus was on the UEFA situation and then last minute getting a Brighton reject to take Guehi's place. I mean Igor can't be any good if Brighton were willing to help us out with a loan! Thank god he went to West Ham!

I've always thought Parish has done an amazing job as chairman and I can think back to when people were spitting feathers about signing Henderson for 20 mill (and look how that turned out!) but he did mess up the Guehi transfer, there was plenty of time to have a replacement lined up, even though Liverpool tried to play silly buggers by dragging their feet.

To accuse Parish of forgetting to replace a player because of a legal wrangle is a bit far fetched. It’s not as if Parish travels around scouting players and all that, is it?

That wasn’t the case that we knew Guehi was leaving anyway, because the offers came in late, and we were in a position to sell before buying. And the Brighton reject wasn’t our replacement was he? It was firstly that Pavlovic guy, but that fell through because of a buying chain due to financial rules.

 

[syd snot]

Nah not really.

 

[Team of the (20)80s]

So then it was glasner who had the final say, if Parish didn't want to sell, there would have never been a bid accepted and Guehi wouldn't have been having a medical. It was a poorly managed transfer and that was down to Parish.

If Glasner had the final say it is because Parish offered it to him. If Parish actually wanted to sell at the time of the deadline closing he would have sold. He discussed it with the manager which exactly what we would want him to do.

It is only poorly managed if you think that Guehi going on a free next year is worse than him leaving last minute in the window for the fee Liverpool finally offered. I don’t so I don’t consider it poorly managed. We can’t force Liverpool to offer more money earlier and we weren’t in the position to buy without selling first.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

my take on things is that most Palace fans after the cup final that we would push on with early transfers after the season before. Most were cool when the window opened, still ok into July but come August when even Ollie was questioning things and why our business was not getting done and with most of those around us making signings the grumbles set in. When Eze left, we really started to panic. The MG and Liverpool soap opera was enough to create a frenzy. We looked 2 of our ‘star players’, were gone and nothing coming in.

Parish is to blame for the lateness and the drama it caused but that doesn’t mean he has done a bad job. The man and his team have done amazing. Unlike others in our position he has put Palace on rock solid foundations and what we are starting to see is a real progression in our club to become a core member of the premier league. Even if Ollie does leave, and I pray he doesn’t, the club will still be on a solid footing both in playing terms and financially.

As it turns out, our squad amazingly looks better than last year. Eze more spectacular than pino but I have a sneaky feeling that Pino will do to the left what Sarr did on the right after Olise left and we will become a favourite pretty quickly.

Getting back to the point of this thread, do I think Parish could have done more during the summer… absolutely. The man unfortunately loves the limelight and drama of deadline day. Do I trust in him… 100%. The man loves our club as much as we do.

He has proven too many times now that it’s not fluke where we are so from now on I’m going to keep my powder dry and trust in the club (and hopefully avoid the stress I get during the transfer window)

Ok but do you seriously think we’ve regularly done business late in the window because loves being in the media and the drama? Fecking ‘ell are you okay? It’s because he sees getting more value from late deals, or it ends up that way because the 3 before we’ve either had the selling club take the p1ss, we’ve been gazumped, or West Ham think it’s who really wanted when it wasn’t and in comes someone nobody was aware of. Lacroix? Pino?

I would personally prefer us buying early in the window before selling, but that’s with just football in mind, because it doesn’t guarantee you’re better off negotiating because they now know you need to sell compared to knowing uou need to buy.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

And I'm glad he didn't. Apart from his value to the team because it sent a message that we're not going to roll over when it comes to losing our best performers. At the moment it's more or less inevitable that Wharton will leave but the way we're shaping up the club is becoming more attractive for players to stay. At least those not at the peak of demand.

Yep, that can end up being worth more what Liverpool offering. Definitely more than what they were offering minus what someone might pay in January.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

For those saying otherwise and supporting SP on the Guehi debacle, unfortunately what Rikz has said is true. If we had sold Guehi and got in Igor it would have been an absolute disaster. SP messed up and should have got someone lined up. It was hardly a secret Liverpool were going to bid. Do we really think SP didn't tell Liverpool on the phone 'bid late and you'll risk not getting him'?
Let's move on and now what does Steve do in January especially if we are going well in league and Conference League. Can he convince the men with the money to support the team, and most importantly Glasner, to achieve things for this club which we may never see again. I don't fear Glasner leaving next summer because in my mind he will be off to a big club somewhere in Europe. There must be a queue of top European clubs who are impressed with what he's achieving here. A clear set up and everyone is talking about how well he is coaching the players.
For what its worth, top 10 and the Conference League this season would be absolutely amazing. Is that achievable? Yes, with support in January especially when AFCON and injuries kick in.
Up to Steve now to do what he needs to do and rectify the summer mistakes. He's already cost the club £35m as we will lose Guehi for free. January could be so crucial for us.

We had Pavlovic lined up as our replacement but due to a chain of transfers falling through it didn’t happen. It then moved onto Igor as Guehi wanted to go.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

Nah not really.

What not really?

 

[Rudi Hedman]

If Glasner had the final say it is because Parish offered it to him. If Parish actually wanted to sell at the time of the deadline closing he would have sold. He discussed it with the manager which exactly what we would want him to do.

It is only poorly managed if you think that Guehi going on a free next year is worse than him leaving last minute in the window for the fee Liverpool finally offered. I don’t so I don’t consider it poorly managed. We can’t force Liverpool to offer more money earlier and we weren’t in the position to buy without selling first.

That may be the last effort to explain.

I noticed how much Parish and Brighty were laughing in their seats yesterday. Parish doesn’t look concerned about anything. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him like that before, and I think that was at 0-0.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

So then it was glasner who had the final say, if Parish didn't want to sell, there would have never been a bid accepted and Guehi wouldn't have been having a medical. It was a poorly managed transfer and that was down to Parish.

Huh?

Parish asked glasners opinion as he had a decision to make. They planned on diamonde who got injured and we didn't get the funds in with sales.

Not selling marc is a huge problem. It's great now but unless we win the league or some other way convince him to stay in this extra time with him then it is a huge problem.

Parish lined up a series of replacements it seems and when we finally got an offer we'd accept glasner was consulted. Seemingly the nail in the coffin was the last option, the brighton lad going elsewhere and steve decided he agreed with glasner that the risk wasn't worth it.

Glasner having the same opinion doesn't mean it was the final say. Glasner himself has said the exact opposite of him having the final say!

The medical etc makes sense as there was a deadline. Have your ducks lined up so you can take the shot if you need to. That's good management no? When the circumstances mean you should review your decision and change it a good manager will make the tough call to pull the plug. A poor manager would "stick with the plan", "its done now", "it'll be alright" etc..

Of course parish "wanted to sell". We needed to sell really. Liverpool f***ed them, us and marc skimping on a few million quid during a near 500m spend trasnfer window and it might cost them the league. Its quite ridiculous they did that and quite reasonable for steve to think someone will offer 40m for one of, if not the best defender in the world. Regardless, he adapted and got the best result in tough circumstances.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

We're in the prem because of parish, we have glasner and are competing at the top because of parish, we won the fa cup because of parish.

We dont have a stand because of parish, we got kicked out of the Europa because of parish, we've lost Guehi on a free because of Parish. I dont really see a problem with the criticism.

If Lacroix has a poor performance against Everton and costs us points, in the match discussion we can criticise his performance, it doesn't mesn he hasnt been a great player for us.

To stick with your analogy. Its the same as you blaming lacroix for costing us a goal that costs us the points while totally ignoring other factors, like someone tripping him up and so being unable to make a tackle.

If you applied the same logic in that scenario as you are with parish you'd say somehting like, yeah ok he was tripped and physically unable to make the tackle but ultimately it was his man and he was the defender so its his fault.

 

[DenTyler]

Ok but do you seriously think we’ve regularly done business late in the window because loves being in the media and the drama? Fecking ‘ell are you okay? It’s because he sees getting more value from late deals, or it ends up that way because the 3 before we’ve either had the selling club take the p1ss, we’ve been gazumped, or West Ham think it’s who really wanted when it wasn’t and in comes someone nobody was aware of. Lacroix? Pino?

I would personally prefer us buying early in the window before selling, but that’s with just football in mind, because it doesn’t guarantee you’re better off negotiating because they now know you need to sell compared to knowing uou need to buy.

I’m fine thanks for asking. It’s an opinion. Not fact. What is a fact is the man loves being in front of the cameras or doing interviews. There are not many other chairman that are quite as visible.

Anyway I also agree with your opinion that he does get a better deal at the end of the window.

 

[Team of the (20)80s]

I’m fine thanks for asking. It’s an opinion. Not fact. What is a fact is the man loves being in front of the cameras or doing interviews. There are not many other chairman that are quite as visible.

Anyway I also agree with your opinion that he does get a better deal at the end of the window.

I’m not sure I really agree with this. He definitely would have been asked for more interviews immediately after deadline day but I don’t remember seeing any. He could probably get involved with the weekly press conferences but doesn’t (nor should he).

 

[Rudi Hedman]

I’m fine thanks for asking. It’s an opinion. Not fact. What is a fact is the man loves being in front of the cameras or doing interviews. There are not many other chairman that are quite as visible.

Anyway I also agree with your opinion that he does get a better deal at the end of the window.

He does like the limelight, but suggesting he does business late in windows because he likes the limelight isn’t true. You’ve just said you agree that he does get a better deal at the window so you’ve rubbished your own point.

 

[rikz]

To stick with your analogy. Its the same as you blaming lacroix for costing us a goal that costs us the points while totally ignoring other factors, like someone tripping him up and so being unable to make a tackle.

If you applied the same logic in that scenario as you are with parish you'd say somehting like, yeah ok he was tripped and physically unable to make the tackle but ultimately it was his man and he was the defender so its his fault.

Not its not the same, you've just invented them factors up, if he got tripped up, then it would be a foul in the build up to the goal and it wouldn't stand anyway. If he had a terrible game and cost us points, then the following week scored the winner and you came back saying, I told you so, it doesnt change the fact he had a bad game the week before.

Another way of looking at it, is our start has proved the people critising our window were right to, most people's opinion was, this is the best manager we've ever had, the board should back him heavily in the summer.

Everything is a calculated risk. Some people will say what if we get relegated, why should the board risk the club financially, others will say with the current squad and this manager, there's no chance of relegation.

 

[Eagleman13]

Not its not the same, you've just invented them factors up, if he got tripped up, then it would be a foul in the build up to the goal and it wouldn't stand anyway. If he had a terrible game and cost us points, then the following week scored the winner and you came back saying, I told you so, it doesnt change the fact he had a bad game the week before.

Another way of looking at it, is our start has proved the people critising our window were right to, most people's opinion was, this is the best manager we've ever had, the board should back him heavily in the summer.

Everything is a calculated risk. Some people will say what if we get relegated, why should the board risk the club financially, others will say with the current squad and this manager, there's no chance of relegation.

Everything, IS, a calculated risk, as you say. Why slag off our most successful appointed chairman? Think you could do better?