Have the left lost their Political credibility ?

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I am watching Question time ATM for the first time in years and the left -wing arguments by the panel are not coming across as politically credible in any sense of the word .
Their arguments about the Reform party’s legal £72 million funding by crypto billionaires stink more of a fear for their own parties political Demise than the threat to democracy that they profess for example .
 
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The Left lost any political credibility in about 1917 - or even 1789.
 
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Would have lost their credibility with their own supporters in the UK if it had been revealed that it was Labour who paid 600 million for the Nuclear deterrent after the war. Times that by hundreds for today's money. But it was a secret, only released in the last couple of decades.
The welfare state and the NHS were very much second to that.
 
Every Labour leader since and including Wilson lacked credibility, there have been some individuals who were good, John Smith for example. There is no doubt in my mind the intake of 2024 on the left, Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and SNP is the weakest minded we have ever had. It's truly frightening.
 
Every Labour leader since and including Wilson lacked credibility, there have been some individuals who were good, John Smith for example. There is no doubt in my mind the intake of 2024 on the left, Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and SNP is the weakest minded we have ever had. It's truly frightening.
Last Labour Leader I supported - John Smith. Proper Labour. Not these Champagne Quaffing Expenses Monkeys.
 
I am of the Far/Extreme Right but can we honestly not say the same for the Right as well?

This is the tragedy/comedy/farce of the modern age. Politics always had an element of being show-business for ugly people but now its at the shitter end of the Channel 5 Reality show spectrum part of it.

Are the Left despicable, no good wankers? 100%. But how much of the mainstream Right are any different?
 
I am of the Far/Extreme Right but can we honestly not say the same for the Right as well?

This is the tragedy/comedy/farce of the modern age. Politics always had an element of being show-business for ugly people but now its at the shitter end of the Channel 5 Reality show spectrum part of it.

Are the Left despicable, no good wankers? 100%. But how much of the mainstream Right are any different?
You are doing yourself a disservice!

You are much further to the right than that. So far that it often seems you have gone full circle and come out with things that appear in tune with some on the extreme left.

You are consistent though. You are always implausible, illogical and totally impractical.
 
You are doing yourself a disservice!

You are much further to the right than that. So far that it often seems you have gone full circle and come out with things that appear in tune with some on the extreme left.

You are consistent though. You are always implausible, illogical and totally impractical.

Nah. Matov is the only one on here that owns his views. The other lot agree with him on most things but don’t have the balls to say what they are.

It’s why he’s the only one I respect out of all them. Agree with him on very little. But he has cahunas and conviction.
 
Nah. Matov is the only one on here that owns his views. The other lot agree with him on most things but don’t have the balls to say what they are.

It’s why he’s the only one I respect out of all them. Agree with him on very little. But he has cahunas and conviction.
fine. I will also confess to being 'Far Right' within the Law.....and we can all debate what the term actually means. The Overton window has shifted so far Leftward as to make the Conservatives look ludicrous.

Thatcher/Widdecombe/Trump were correct on many things. And i predict that Trump is only the beginning of iconoclasts getting into Power. The violent censoring AntiSemitic racist heterophobic misanthropist eugenics commie globalist Left have tweaked the nose of the centre & mainstream.

Lindsay Clancy is but a tiny raindrop in a storm of Lefty madness. The women supporting her are like Nazis.
 
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Lindsay Clancy is but a tiny raindrop in a storm of Lefty madness. The women supporting her are like Nazis.


For me this is the bigger issue. For me the 'Left' have not so much lost their credibility but also their minds.

Their championing of Islam for example. That makes ZERO sense. Literally, beyond reason. Us Far-Right Lunatics actually have far more in common with Muslims in terms of a wider sense of social conservatism, belief in family (albeit with our Nuclear version v their multiple wives stuff) along with a whole host of other factors that mean we can potentially find far more common ground, at least in terms of the every-day. I just believe that ultimately, Islam will always, by its core tenants, look to dominate any culture it finds itself around. Meaning the Western Civiisation I literally worship and adore, has to be free of it. I am driven primarily by my Pro-Western sentiments than any kind of anti-Islamic feeling and will challenge any and every other belief system that I feel threatens it. Bloody hell, I have Muslim friends within my own 'Amici' group.

And there was even the slightest shred of rationality to the modern Left, they would be the ones most stringent in opposing Islam on almost any and every metric possible. Instead, they simp for it. Actually look to promote it, defend it. A religious dogma that is diametrically opposed to everything any kind of true Leftie proclaims to hold dear. A dogma that literally throws their fellow travellers from roofs. That has a core tenant of wishing death on anybody who, having been born into the faith, then reject it.

What we have going on at the moment is more akin to a European civil war. Muslims are merely exploiting what the Left encourages them to do. I bear no direct malice as they are just doing what they are meant to be doing. Islam directs them to make their religion dominate. To impose 'Sharia'. They are doing what it says on the label. They even tell me if I pay their 'jizra', they will leave me be, albeit in a role of a second class citizen.

Where as the Left are attempting to destroy everything I hold dear. And for reasons that make zero sense.
 
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Nah. Matov is the only one on here that owns his views. The other lot agree with him on most things but don’t have the balls to say what they are.

It’s why he’s the only one I respect out of all them. Agree with him on very little. But he has cahunas and conviction.

Lol you really are lost. Firstly, anyone standing up in the face of the progressive onslaught is putting themselves at risk, unlike the lefties, so I wouldn't blame them for caution, but commend them for realistic concerns and standing on hard won British culture plus willing to admire their differences in things they do not agree on.
Secondly, you are a classic example of disingenuousness from the left. You are a soy boy to women for a start, gaslit to hell, and you will side with an ideology regardless of whether or not you really believe it.

You live in cuckoo land mate. Matov has also banged you lot to rights.

As a man, I could turn Muslim and there would be some upside, on the points that Matov makes. Not for you, you'd start arguing and at some point before accused of blasphemy and killed (under Shariah)
 
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Everyday I wake up to more left-wing garbage and spill , Today it’s the Home Secretary calling Danny Tommo an outright racist and threatening him with the full force of the law .
I can see the Patriot Platform being outlawed as a terrorist organisation shortly .
The Patriot Platforms popularity and ability to organise short notice protests against the boats has obviously ruffled the far-left Labour Party .

Andy Barnham is becoming more of a puppet leader for Labours far-left views by the day .
 
the 1970s Left stood up for the Working Man - the British coal miner etc. Today the Left seems to hate him.
Who do the left really represent these days ?
A few minority’s groups , Palestine , The Muslim community and the work shy is my best guess .
The vast majority of the Labour vote are not represented and will end out paying dearly for their blind loyalty .
 
Who do the left really represent these days ?
A few minority’s groups , Palestine , The Muslim community and the work shy is my best guess .
The vast majority of the Labour vote are not represented and will end out paying dearly for their blind loyalty .
This is missed totally by the left.
The karma will hit them like a cricket bat in the face.
 
I likely won't be around to see the collapse of the UK pension fund but it is coming and with it the general breakdown of society with no money for govt spending as the international financiers don't want to lend to the UK, or, at a rate that will make the Greek experience look like a holiday.

I hope my adult kids will have left the UK by then.

Labour simply will not take the hard decisions needed to avoid a meltdown, whatever Govt replaces them will have the biggest ever poison chalice.
 
The Swedes have just made a big mistake


I expect that the lefty woman will open up the doors again just 4 years after the country started actually deal with the issue. Morons.
 
I likely won't be around to see the collapse of the UK pension fund but it is coming and with it the general breakdown of society with no money for govt spending as the international financiers don't want to lend to the UK, or, at a rate that will make the Greek experience look like a holiday.

I hope my adult kids will have left the UK by then.

Labour simply will not take the hard decisions needed to avoid a meltdown, whatever Govt replaces them will have the biggest ever poison chalice.


Governments will ultimately be forced to inflate their way out of the debt and devalue their currencies. The main issue is that the countries in massive debt are traditionally the ones that would be bailing out everyone else - there's nobody to do it left.
 

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