Good old EU

chris123 said:
It already is. Very happy we're out
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Of course it isn’t. The countries all manage their own economies. The EU is a unique hybrid system based on subsidiarity, the principle that you do together only those things which are better done together. Some responsibility is delegated to the centre but is still implemented locally, when economies of scale or efficiency determine benefits.
 
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cryrst said:
In the same way they help to stem the boats from France! Yeah really want to help don’t they !
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You are seriously confused. The problem of illegal immigration is as much of an issue in the rest of Europe as it is here. Solving our part of that problem will only happen when the whole problem is solved. We are in this together.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Of course it isn’t. The countries all manage their own economies. The EU is a unique hybrid system based on subsidiarity, the principle that you do things together only those things which are better done together. Some responsibility is designated to the centre but is still implemented locally, when economies of scale or efficiency determine benefits.
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It was freedom of movement that did it for me.
 
Steel looks the worst example so far but brexit is severely damaging other industries

'According to the thinktank UK in a Changing Europe, most industries just cannot wait. They are struggling to keep open markets, and if necessary realign themselves with the EU by the back door. The chemicals industry exports more than 60% of its output to the EU. Brexiteers boasted it would be liberated from EU regulation, but setting up the UK’s own regulator cost £2bn and has not worked. According to the Chemical Industries Association, output has fallen by 35-40% since 2021. Between 2021 and 2023, British exports to the EU fell by a serious 27%. Brexiteers boasted that leaving the EU would be worth hundreds of billions a year. Cambridge Econometrics estimates that over the next decade Britain’s economy will be £300bn smaller than if we had not left the EU. This is self-harm on a heroic scale'.

A telling paragraph from Simon Jenkins writing in the Guardian.

'brexit means brexit'

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steeleye20 said:
Steel looks the worst example so far but brexit is severely damaging other industries

'According to the thinktank UK in a Changing Europe, most industries just cannot wait. They are struggling to keep open markets, and if necessary realign themselves with the EU by the back door. The chemicals industry exports more than 60% of its output to the EU. Brexiteers boasted it would be liberated from EU regulation, but setting up the UK’s own regulator cost £2bn and has not worked. According to the Chemical Industries Association, output has fallen by 35-40% since 2021. Between 2021 and 2023, British exports to the EU fell by a serious 27%. Brexiteers boasted that leaving the EU would be worth hundreds of billions a year. Cambridge Econometrics estimates that over the next decade Britain’s economy will be £300bn smaller than if we had not left the EU. This is self-harm on a heroic scale'.

A telling paragraph from Simon Jenkins writing in the Guardian.

'brexit means brexit'

😎
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Must be the paper he's writing in, Simon Jenkins was definitely pro leaving at the time.
 
steeleye20 said:
Steel looks the worst example so far but brexit is severely damaging other industries

'According to the thinktank UK in a Changing Europe, most industries just cannot wait. They are struggling to keep open markets, and if necessary realign themselves with the EU by the back door. The chemicals industry exports more than 60% of its output to the EU. Brexiteers boasted it would be liberated from EU regulation, but setting up the UK’s own regulator cost £2bn and has not worked. According to the Chemical Industries Association, output has fallen by 35-40% since 2021. Between 2021 and 2023, British exports to the EU fell by a serious 27%. Brexiteers boasted that leaving the EU would be worth hundreds of billions a year. Cambridge Econometrics estimates that over the next decade Britain’s economy will be £300bn smaller than if we had not left the EU. This is self-harm on a heroic scale'.

A telling paragraph from Simon Jenkins writing in the Guardian.

'brexit means brexit'

😎
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Just look at the explosion in the number of civil servants we have had to hire to duplicate the work done in Brussels on behalf of all the EU. My own industry being food ingredients where European wide regulation led to efficiencies of scale and simple cross border trade. Something replicated in countless other industries.

It always was mega stupid and it needs to be hung around the neck of Farage as an example of why he must not be trusted, let alone given any kind of authority.
 
steeleye20 said:
Not to mention the tripling of immigration due to brexit.

Brexit is about avoidance of the truth.

'Don't mention the war'.

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Without Brexit the immigration levels would be even higher.
 
georgenorman said:
Without Brexit the immigration levels would be even higher.
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The immigration coming into the UK is a home grown problem, crossing 2 or 3 borders to get to the channel isn't for anything other than the land of "Milk and Honey" it has cultivated.
 
The Canary islands have a deal with Morocco to take some, not all back, the others are put on a ferry to Cadiz, 33 hours, then released, then many make there way to the nice hotels and allowances they get on arrival in "The promised land of milk and honey", if they survive the crossing
 
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