Glasner Out

silvertop said:
Sadly that is how I see it. Prem survival being the silver lining. This year.

One problem is that, until recently, if you came up you had a 50% or so chance of surviving another season. Last season the trend appears to have shifted to what pundits have erroneously suggested for years but which is now a reality: what comes up must come down.

However, this year we have Wolves; and Sunderland. It is last year that was the blip. "Established" prem teams are still not guaranteed survival. We cannot be complacent.
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Yeah of course, that seems the baseline. Yet it really doesn't need to be like that.

We have a nine point gap to West Ham but are still only seven points from 7th. We're also somehow still favourites for the Conference League despite being shocking in that so far.

And this is still largely the same group of players that we had last season, with it looking like a few new additions.

If somebody could kickstart us we could still easily finish top 10 and win the CL but I just don't see Glasner doing it.
 
NMPalace said:
??? Let's pick a random manager who has nothing to do with Palace.

The point raised, and a good one, is that Hughes and Wharton's technique is lacking. Surely they can practice their shooting and improve it.
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As bad as the shot from Hughes was, I simply think it was out of frustration and desperation.
 
PatrickA said:
I think it's correct that Glasner doesn't encourage shooting from long range as the stats indicate that they rarely come off and Glasner is all about efficiency.
Personally I miss players shooting from range and there don't seem too many around now - Fernandes at Manchester United, Caceido at Chelsea and perhaps a couple of Liverpool players being the exceptions.
In any event I think Hughes and Wharton appear to have poor technique when shooting, often looking unbalanced and failing to drive through the ball.
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Perhaps they're not paid enough.
 
NEILLO said:
I was agreeing with the overall sentiment on HOL on his outbursts.

You didn't answer my question ( not compulsory to of course ) -
''Does '' most likely '' mean that you would have sacked him in October '24 because you go on to say that the run then was excusable ? And he wasn't exactly new, he'd been with the club for 8 months by then.
Sacking him at that time would most likely have meant no FA Cup, no Community Shield and no European Football.''
After the August 24 window Glasner made his feelings known around that time what he thought of the decision to sell Andersen on the last day. As an aside, I was told by my Fulham contact that transfer was on the cards before the season even started.
The chips were certainly down in October 24 with 3 points from 8 games. And if I recall we were in the bottom 3 at one point. So why not sack Glasner then ? Was it because there was an expectation that things could and would improve ?? Which they did.

There will be a breaking point I'm sure. I posted such the other day. Failure to get some wins and/or fail to progress in the CL and it's possible Parish will conclude that this time things aren't going to get better.
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Again, my comment of "Most likely" was reflective of my other comments regarding 'where is the line?' and my particular stance on risk.

Things panned out well then, so it's correct to say that I would have made a mistake in sacking him. I'd also state that at that particular time, I still had faith so would not have acted after the 8 games. It's 12 games now though (50% longer), my faith is dwindling and I'm not so hopeful of things improving. If it were 12 games in Oct 24 I may well have pulled the trigger, were I personally responsible. There's no real indication of new signings being anywhere near the quality of the old and Glasner's announcement of his departure weaken my faith. Therefore, I would be inclined to pull the trigger now.

I desperately hope the playing resource comes back, Glasner does what he does well, we start looking like a competitive team again and supporting Palace once again becomes worthwhile. If things do not change however, we'll look all the more stupid for holding out hope whilst nothing changed.

I would personally wait for the next three results and I am suspicious the board is doing the same. In hindsight, it will either look as though they were correct or foolish to wait this long. In any instance, I hope for the former but if the latter does occur, it doesn't have disastrous consequences.
 
PatrickA said:
I think it's correct that Glasner doesn't encourage shooting from long range as the stats indicate that they rarely come off and Glasner is all about efficiency.
Personally I miss players shooting from range and there don't seem too many around now - Fernandes at Manchester United, Caceido at Chelsea and perhaps a couple of Liverpool players being the exceptions.
In any event I think Hughes and Wharton appear to have poor technique when shooting, often looking unbalanced and failing to drive through the ball.
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Yeah far better to have feckall shots that some from outside the box.

A well struck shot from 30 yards hitting the back of the net is one of the glories of football.
 
NEILLO said:
I don't of course agree.

Six months after that bad run we won the FA Cup.

This time last year we were putting together a run of successive away wins.

And after the same number of games, we had 30 points compared to the current 29.
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I think we are getting our wires crossed, IMO Glasner should have been sacked Oct 25, when he told Parish he was leaving, the season after we won the Cup
 
I questioned after the Leeds and Macclesfield game if OG had lost the dressing room. We then had yet another insipid performance yesterday and Deano has intimated there are issues that will remain in house.
I know assumptions are the mother of all evil (apparently) but what other conclusion can we come up with.
I accept there is probably no obvious replacement that can step in straight away, but this lack of desire simply cannot carry on.
The players also need to take responsibility in their own lack of commitment and desire to run and fight for the cause. What they fail to understand is that if they continue to play like this we will be dragged into the relegation scrap, and with their current lack of intensity and fight I don’t fancy our chances.
I get that they are probably as p!ssed off with OG as we are and are not playing for him, but they are the ones that can get us out of this mess is spite of him.
 
Eaglehamster said:
Yeah far better to have feckall shots that some from outside the box.

A well struck shot from 30 yards hitting the back of the net is one of the glories of football.
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Villa have scored 13 goals from outside the box this season already.
Yes they have better players, but if you don’t ever shoot you will never score.
I do add the caveat that I don’t want every player shooting from distance, but why do we try to walk the ball into the goal.
 
I don't think The Palace Board are adopting a "wait and see" policy. If I were them, I'd be scouting around in the club and in the football arena, to see who might be available , and at what notice.
It's reaching the point where Glasner is either going to walk, or Parish pulls the trigger. Palace must ensure they cover all bases, and that there's at least decent Managerial cover in the short term, but also keeping tabs on longer-term targets.
But like most on here, I'm not privvy to detail, and my guesswork is only formed from what I've read, and my own life experiences
 
Paul Salvage said:
Villa have scored 13 goals from outside the box this season already.
Yes they have better players, but if you don’t ever shoot you will never score.
I do add the caveat that I don’t want every player shooting from distance, but why do we try to walk the ball into the goal.
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Villa dont do very well against us though!
 
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