Glasner Out

[JHB]

People may well see this as Glasner moaning again.
I see it as him stating things as they are.View attachment 2776View attachment 2777

What he is saying here is that he can’t manage a mid table club in the Prem. this is the reality of it for clubs our size. I also think that while it might be true in isolation it is absolutely no excuse for taking 3 points from 27. Especially when most of those poor results were before anything to do with transfers. If he is saying he can’t get the best out of the squad then move aside and let somebody else have a go

 

[Painter]

Unfortunately, I do give a f**k, and I’d suggest most fans do.

If anyone wants my two cents regarding this season and the last, it is that Glasner has an amazing party trick of galvanising a group of players and playing a unique style of football to have a devastating impact in the short term - FA Cup and Charity Shield.

His party trick stands alone and soon gets found out however. This is why he never stays anywhere long and we’ve nosedived to an embarrassing run of form, winless in months, with Glasner looking entirely incapable of changing things and trying to deflect blame elsewhere.

The whole point of supporting a football team is the here and now. I support Palace as an active action, not for nostalgia or retrospective reasons. When one game finishes I turn my attention to the next. As a result of my particularly unfortunate circumstances, I shall continue supporting Palace, and Palace alone, forever more.

When a manager is unable to win football matches, he is unfit for purpose. Glasner has become unable to win us football matches. He is therefore unfit for purpose. Nothing changes if nothing changes, and we shall continue being unable to win football matches if Glasner stays in charge. He is incapable of adapting to circumstances and the circumstances no longer favour him.

Its Glasner's formation of high playing wingbacks, teams now just play the ball into the space vacated by the wingbacks, a CB is drawn over to cover and then they play into that space. Every team we play now does that, Glasner has been worked out by other teams, unless we are firing on all cylinders we are toast.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

People may well see this as Glasner moaning again.
I see it as him stating things as they are.View attachment 2776View attachment 2777

Why do we want players learning the way Glasner wants, he is so one dimensional i would think it would be the last thing i would wont as new manager, he didnt want to stay, so his input is minimal, he has a short time left, he is hopeless at organising a team to play against defensive teams, he would do more harm than good IMO.

 

[Team of the (20)80s]

With our best players missing for most of the “zeros” period.

It’s more of a surprise that he kept the good form of last season going for so long into this season. It shouldn’t have been an expectation in the first place.

He’s done a fantastic job, the fact people are moaning in the current situation only shows how far the goalposts have moved under his leadership.

West Ham have to go on an amazing run AND both Forest and Leeds also go on well runs at the same time, for us to be in any danger.

We are still in the Conference League and could well yet take home our third Glasner trophy.

We are just as close to the European spots as we are to the drop, everything is tight this season.

What is most likely is we will finish somewhere between the two. Twelfth again? Who gives a fxck? We won the FA Cup!

No, he *did* a fantastic job, until he decided he didn’t want to renew his contract. Since shortly after then it is as bad a run as we have had in recent memory. Any manager’s job would be under pressure after a run like that.

If he was committed to the club I would be agreeing and saying give him time but he isn’t.

Do you care about your job as much when you have handed in your notice? Do you have as much respect for a leader if they are only interim? I don’t. There is a reason why other clubs, successful clubs, don’t usually do this.

 

[Linford]

Unfortunately, I do give a f**k, and I’d suggest most fans do.

If anyone wants my two cents regarding this season and the last, it is that Glasner has an amazing party trick of galvanising a group of players and playing a unique style of football to have a devastating impact in the short term - FA Cup and Charity Shield.

His party trick stands alone and soon gets found out however. This is why he never stays anywhere long and we’ve nosedived to an embarrassing run of form, winless in months, with Glasner looking entirely incapable of changing things and trying to deflect blame elsewhere.

The whole point of supporting a football team is the here and now. I support Palace as an active action, not for nostalgia or retrospective reasons. When one game finishes I turn my attention to the next. As a result of my particularly unfortunate circumstances, I shall continue supporting Palace, and Palace alone, forever more.

When a manager is unable to win football matches, he is unfit for purpose. Glasner has become unable to win us football matches. He is therefore unfit for purpose. Nothing changes if nothing changes, and we shall continue being unable to win football matches if Glasner stays in charge. He is incapable of adapting to circumstances and the circumstances no longer favour him.

Better retire the song then. The point is not to go crazy and expect us to turn into Real Madrid overnight. People’s expectations have been warped by success.

Oli is a fantastic manager, he’s not a magician. Give him something to work with, and he will do a job. We have seen that and lived it.

There isn’t a man alive who was going to keep us on that run from the start of the season up til now, especially with all those players that have been missing through injury, AFCON, and by effect of being sold off.

Not Alex Ferguson, not Pep Guardiola, not Carlo Ancelotti, not Arsene Wenger, not Jurgen Klopp, not Thomas Tuchel, and no, not Paddy McCarthy despite what some seem to think.

Of course we would all love to skyrocket up the league and bring home the quadruple. But for god sake where has our perspective gone on here? (I say on here, I am glad Oli seems to get a much better reception at Selhurst Park than he does on Holmesdale dot net).

He was naturally p*ssed off about the situation and he spoke out. Whether that was right or wrong, it is where we are now, it has nothing to do with his managerial prowess.

And for what it’s worth, we are starting to look a lot better since Munoz and Sarr returned. It’s quite obvious really, if you don’t have the tools, you can’t do the job. Let him get on with it now with at least those to back thankfully, we will be okay, we will not be Bayern Munich, we will still be Crystal Palace, with a highly successful, young-ish, outspoken Austrian tactician at the helm.

 

[Nicholas91]

Better retire the song then. The point is not to go crazy and expect us to turn into Real Madrid overnight. People’s expectations have been warped by success.

Oli is a fantastic manager, he’s not a magician. Give him something to work with, and he will do a job. We have seen that and lived it.

There isn’t a man alive who was going to keep us on that run from the start of the season up til now, especially with all those players that have been missing through injury, AFCON, and by effect of being sold off.

Not Alex Ferguson, not Pep Guardiola, not Carlo Ancelotti, not Arsene Wenger, not Jurgen Klopp, not Thomas Tuchel, and no, not Paddy McCarthy despite what some seem to think.

Of course we would all love to skyrocket up the league and bring home the quadruple. But for god sake where has our perspective gone on here? (I say on here, I am glad Oli seems to get a much better reception at Selhurst Park than he does on Holmesdale dot net).

He was naturally p*ssed off about the situation and he spoke out. Whether that was right or wrong, it is where we are now, it has nothing to do with his managerial prowess.

And for what it’s worth, we are starting to look a lot better since Munoz and Sarr returned. It’s quite obvious really, if you don’t have the tools, you can’t do the job. Let him get on with it now with at least those to back thankfully, we will be okay, we will not be Bayern Munich, we will still be Crystal Palace, with a highly successful, young-ish, outspoken Austrian tactician at the helm.

I think you’re missing the point.

People aren’t upset because we’re not challenging for Europe or winning every game as we looked likely to when OG first came in.

People are upset because we’re winless in months, seem unable to score goals, seem incapable of defending set pieces, look entirely predictable, lacklustre and defeated. Not to mention, we’re hurtling toward relegation.

There’s a difference in not having your lofty desires fulfilled and becoming so disillusioned watching your team it’s emotionally safer to stop caring altogether.

This is not a short run where we’re falling behind goals associated with ‘moving on’, this is a horrific, extended run with no end in sight, and where the manager responsible seems incapable of accepting this responsibility or showing any evidence of ability to change things.

 

[Linford]

I think you’re missing the point.

People aren’t upset because we’re not challenging for Europe or winning every game as we looked likely to when OG first came in.

People are upset because we’re winless in months, seem unable to score goals, seem incapable of defending set pieces, look entirely predictable, lacklustre and defeated. Not to mention, we’re hurtling toward relegation.

There’s a difference in not having your lofty desires fulfilled and becoming so disillusioned watching your team it’s emotionally safer to stop caring altogether.

This is not a short run where we’re falling behind goals associated with ‘moving on’, this is a horrific, extended run with no end in sight, and where the manager responsible seems incapable of accepting this responsibility or showing any evidence of ability to change things.

We are in 15th. We are nine points clear. The winless run was quite clearly in large part down to the loss of players, as I mentioned. It was also just the inevitable fall-off after having such a great start, achieving beyond what we would realistically keep up and maintain.

Unless those below us crack the secret to overturn their own troubles and essentially go on a run like our’s, we should be safe. We are just as many points off of Europe as we are off of the drop, as I said already.

When we have our full number available we create untold chances. The main problem we have is that Mateta doesn’t seem to be able to convert them anymore. He’s probably about to be out the door any minute.

Look at the full picture, maybe pop half a Xanax, we are not “hurtling towards relegation”. We are in a spot absolutely typical of our club and absolutely pertinent to the tools available. It was always going to be this way in the circumstances we have just been through. But we are safe.

If we lose the next five now that we have our strongest players back, by all means come and rub my nose in it, and maybe then we would need to think about a change. We won’t need to, it’s not going to happen. Even then, you have to be sure that it is going to make things in any way better and not in fact worse.

 

[Vaibow]

February is crucial. We can beat Brighton, Burnley and Wolves - 9 points see us comfortable on 38 points.

We need to get through Feb with maximum points. We don't, and OG has to go. If he's not up for a derby with Brighton, if he's not up for the 2 bottom teams... then that's it for me.

We have enough in the tank to stay up... we also should be progressing far in the conference cup.

Trouble is, is OG the right man to carry us into the last 3 months?

 

[Nicholas91]

We are in 15th. We are nine points clear. The winless run was quite clearly in large part down to the loss of players, as I mentioned. It was also just the inevitable fall-off after having such a great start, achieving beyond what we would realistically keep up and maintain.

Unless those below us crack the secret to overturn their own troubles and essentially go on a run like our’s, we should be safe. We are just as many points off of Europe as we are off of the drop, as I said already.

When we have our full number available we create untold chances. The main problem we have is that Mateta doesn’t seem to be able to convert them anymore. He’s probably about to be out the door any minute.

Look at the full picture, maybe pop half a Xanax, we are not “hurtling towards relegation”. We are in a spot absolutely typical of our club and absolutely pertinent to the tools available. It was always going to be this way in the circumstances we have just been through. But we are safe.

If we lose the next five now that we have our strongest players back, by all means come and rub my nose in it, and maybe then we would need to think about a change. We won’t need to, it’s not going to happen. Even then, you have to be sure that it is going to make things in any way better and not in fact worse.

If we lose our next 5 it will be 3 points from 14 games. Thats the equivalent of less than 9 points a season. That would be worse than the worst ever PL season.

Thats an extremely low bar to even start considering making a change. A pointless bar.

If you’re then suggesting that we need all our best players to even be competitive in this league, that’s again a bold statement for a team who has been in this league for over a decade and who won the FA Cup and Charity Shield last season.

The likelihood is that we won’t always have every player available. If, when this happens, we are incapable of winning games under this manager (as has been demonstrated), he is not fit for purpose, as this is a likely scenario.

So the choice is either stick with a manager in the hope that he will produce once the perfect conditions are in place, or acknowledge the reality that this is unlikely and find a manager who can adapt to ever changing conditions.

I prefer the latter.

 

[Paul Salvage]

Its Glasner's formation of high playing wingbacks, teams now just play the ball into the space vacated by the wingbacks, a CB is drawn over to cover and then they play into that space. Every team we play now does that, Glasner has been worked out by other teams, unless we are firing on all cylinders we are toast.

I thought all the defenders positions today were likely to leave us open to concede a goal on the counter attack. Forest still looked more dangerous despite the 10 players.
The full backs pushed up high as usual, but for me what made it more concerning was that Max was left in the middle complete exposed on the half way line with Richard’s and Riad almost on the touch lines at times. Yes we were playing against 10 men but with the pace of their Striker and Gibbs-White passing I thought it was only a matter of time before we got exposed.
That point was more by luck than any game management.

 

[Linford]

If we lose our next 5 it will be 3 points from 14 games. Thats the equivalent of less than 9 points a season. That would be worse than the worst ever PL season.

Thats an extremely low bar to even start considering making a change. A pointless bar.

That’s completely ignoring the first quarter plus of the season. The first quarter of the season wasn’t representative of where we are at. The second quarter of the season isn’t representative of where we are at either. An amalgamation of the two is a more accurate representation of where we are at.

Both have taken place under Glasner. The latter happened with key absences who have now returned. Already we have looked a much improved team in the last two games because of it.

We are on course to finish above at least six teams, who realistically are not going to pick up enough points to overtake us. By definition that means we are safe.

If we finish 12th in the league and get to at least the Round of 16 in Europe, would you consider the season a failure?

 

[Paul Salvage]

We are in 15th. We are nine points clear. The winless run was quite clearly in large part down to the loss of players, as I mentioned. It was also just the inevitable fall-off after having such a great start, achieving beyond what we would realistically keep up and maintain.

Unless those below us crack the secret to overturn their own troubles and essentially go on a run like our’s, we should be safe. We are just as many points off of Europe as we are off of the drop, as I said already.

When we have our full number available we create untold chances. The main problem we have is that Mateta doesn’t seem to be able to convert them anymore. He’s probably about to be out the door any minute.

Look at the full picture, maybe pop half a Xanax, we are not “hurtling towards relegation”. We are in a spot absolutely typical of our club and absolutely pertinent to the tools available. It was always going to be this way in the circumstances we have just been through. But we are safe.

If we lose the next five now that we have our strongest players back, by all means come and rub my nose in it, and maybe then we would need to think about a change. We won’t need to, it’s not going to happen. Even then, you have to be sure that it is going to make things in any way better and not in fact worse.

All I will say is Oldham Athletic 🤣

 

[Team of the (20)80s]

We are in 15th. We are nine points clear. The winless run was quite clearly in large part down to the loss of players, as I mentioned. It was also just the inevitable fall-off after having such a great start, achieving beyond what we would realistically keep up and maintain.

Unless those below us crack the secret to overturn their own troubles and essentially go on a run like our’s, we should be safe. We are just as many points off of Europe as we are off of the drop, as I said already.

When we have our full number available we create untold chances. The main problem we have is that Mateta doesn’t seem to be able to convert them anymore. He’s probably about to be out the door any minute.

Look at the full picture, maybe pop half a Xanax, we are not “hurtling towards relegation”. We are in a spot absolutely typical of our club and absolutely pertinent to the tools available. It was always going to be this way in the circumstances we have just been through. But we are safe.

If we lose the next five now that we have our strongest players back, by all means come and rub my nose in it, and maybe then we would need to think about a change. We won’t need to, it’s not going to happen. Even then, you have to be sure that it is going to make things in any way better and not in fact worse.

Unfortunately the problem is not just JPM - Sarr, Munoz and (until he left) Guehi are the only ones who have looked remotely comfortable or capable in front of goal this season. For all his considerable faults JP is our leading scorer in the PL this season by a large margin.

The players take the blame for this, maybe the chairman for signings too but also the manager.

 

[Linford]

If you’re then suggesting that we need all our best players to even be competitive in this league, that’s again a bold statement for a team who has been in this league for over a decade and who won the FA Cup and Charity Shield last season.

The likelihood is that we won’t always have every player available. If, when this happens, we are incapable of winning games under this manager (as has been demonstrated), he is not fit for purpose, as this is a likely scenario.

That team no longer exists. We sold three members of it and a further one retired, although has since signed for Swansea.

Add in three injuries and an international absence all at the same time, and yes, naturally we saw a drop off.

We also naturally saw a drop of because up until then we had been overachieving in the league and were consistently floating around the European spots.

Yes, I am suggesting that when we can’t even field a bench, we are going to see worse performances. Glasner is not the variable that changed over that time; the squad is what changed.

Like it or not, Munoz, Sarr, and Mateta are all crucial to this current squad. If Mateta goes in the next 48hrs it will be with a replacement, likely Strand Larsen, coming in. But we do not have backup for Munoz or Sarr so we have to rely on them. We would still have been reliant on Munoz, Sarr, and a crippled Mateta whether we had Glasner, Hodgson, Bordelas, Perez, Nuno, Southgate, Amorim, Frank, McCarthy, Allardyce, Pulis, or bloody Ted Lasso in charge over that period.

 

[JHB]

We are in 15th. We are nine points clear. The winless run was quite clearly in large part down to the loss of players, as I mentioned. It was also just the inevitable fall-off after having such a great start, achieving beyond what we would realistically keep up and maintain.

Unless those below us crack the secret to overturn their own troubles and essentially go on a run like our’s, we should be safe. We are just as many points off of Europe as we are off of the drop, as I said already.

When we have our full number available we create untold chances. The main problem we have is that Mateta doesn’t seem to be able to convert them anymore. He’s probably about to be out the door any minute.

Look at the full picture, maybe pop half a Xanax, we are not “hurtling towards relegation”. We are in a spot absolutely typical of our club and absolutely pertinent to the tools available. It was always going to be this way in the circumstances we have just been through. But we are safe.

If we lose the next five now that we have our strongest players back, by all means come and rub my nose in it, and maybe then we would need to think about a change. We won’t need to, it’s not going to happen. Even then, you have to be sure that it is going to make things in any way better and not in fact worse.

It’s is indisputable that the current poor run of form has to do with missing players. I was always expecting us to suffer a downturn in results. Surely though nobody can defend 3 points out of 27. If we’d have picked up even one win during that time we’d be less nervous. If we’d picked up two we’d be more or less safe already. I don’t think that was an unreasonable expectation. In that time Glasner doesn’t appear to have tried anything different. In fact it appears teams have worked out that playing it in behind our wing backs badly exposes us. Tactics against us have moved on. Ours haven’t.

What I am worried about is we aren’t getting any better. In fact I think our play is getting worse. We’ve gone from missing chances we created to just not creating them. Sarr and Munoz came back and we got thumped by Chelsea and were fortunate to get a point against a ten man Forest. The players look lost and without direction.

We are now staring at a February that will define the season. Pick up a couple to Legaue wins and progress through the Europa League play off and we will be ok. Don’t and we will have a huge fight on to stay up. We don’t see what happens at training but it looks from his statements that Glasner has lost belief and is more interested in excusing his role in the current form. There’s no way the players can be fully motivated in that environment

 

[Nicholas91]

That team no longer exists. We sold three members of it and a further one retired, although has since signed for Swansea.

Add in three injuries and an international absence all at the same time, and yes, naturally we saw a drop off.

We also naturally saw a drop of because up until then we had been overachieving in the league and were consistently floating around the European spots.

Yes, I am suggesting that when we can’t even field a bench, we are going to see worse performances. Glasner is not the variable that changed over that time; the squad is what changed.

Like it or not, Munoz, Sarr, and Mateta are all crucial to this current squad. If Mateta goes in the next 48hrs it will be with a replacement, likely Strand Larsen, coming in. But we do not have backup for Munoz or Sarr so we have to rely on them. We would still have been reliant on Munoz, Sarr, and a crippled Mateta whether we had Glasner, Hodgson, Bordelas, Perez, Nuno, Southgate, Amorim, Frank, McCarthy, Allardyce, Pulis, or bloody Ted Lasso in charge over that period.

Disagree.

‘We’ are not reliant upon 2 or 3 players, Oliver Glasner is reliant upon these players. As has been demonstrated, without them he cannot win us football games.

These players being fit and available for selection is not a guarantee.

So again, we either stick with a manager who needs an undeliverable guarantee in order to get results, or we go with a manager who can deliver better than 3 points from 27 even when the perfect conditions are not in place, which they are unlikely to be.

Can Glasner deliver if the perfect conditions are in place? Of course, he’s demonstrated that he can.

Can Glasner deliver when the conditions are less than perfect? No, he’s demonstrated this inability.

So, once more, do we stick with Glasner hoping the perfect conditions manifest and stay or do we get a manager in who can adapt to this uncertainty?

I prefer the latter and suggest this will become more and more necessary whilst the perfect conditions are not in place for OG, we continue being incapable of winning football games, all joy from watching Palace has been sucked form the fans and we head towards relegation.

 

[Linford]

It’s is indisputable that the current poor run of form has to do with missing players. I was always expecting us to suffer a downturn in results. Surely though nobody can defend 3 points out of 27. If we’d have picked up even one win during that time we’d be less nervous. If we’d picked up two we’d be more or less safe already. I don’t think that was an unreasonable expectation. In that time Glasner doesn’t appear to have tried anything different. In fact it appears teams have worked out that playing it in behind our wing backs badly exposes us. Tactics against us have moved on. Ours haven’t.

What I am worried about is we aren’t getting any better. In fact I think our play is getting worse. We’ve gone from missing chances we created to just not creating them. Sarr and Munoz came back and we got thumped by Chelsea and were fortunate to get a point against a ten man Forest. The players look lost and without direction.

We are now staring at a February that will define the season. Pick up a couple to Legaue wins and progress through the Europa League play off and we will be ok. Don’t and we will have a huge fight on to stay up. We don’t see what happens at training but it looks from his statements that Glasner has lost belief and is more interested in excusing his role in the current form. There’s no way the players can be fully motivated in that environment

We were the better team for most of the Chelsea game, and if it wasn’t for the stamp going completely unpuncished it might’ve been a different game. Anyway it’s Chelsea, we shouldn’t expect much more than what we delivered which was a good fight and a better performance than we’ve seen since the end of our purple patch… I.e. since we last had Munoz and Sarr funnily enough.

Again today we played well, and in the first half we were creating chances. Yes we did get found out in the second half, but we held onto a vital point, and most importantly again we looked a lot better than we had without Munoz and Sarr.

I knew how much we were missing Munoz and Sarr already, but particularly those two games they’ve been back confirm it to me that we aren’t in any danger.

Re Chelsea especially this is what I mean, when did we start expecting to beat those kind of teams? Surely that shows how far we have travelled that some think it’s an expectation.

 

[Linford]

Disagree.

‘We’ are not reliant upon 2 or 3 players, Oliver Glasner is reliant upon these players. As has been demonstrated, without them he cannot win us football games.

These players being fit and available for selection is not a guarantee.

So again, we either stick with a manager who needs an undeliverable guarantee in order to get results, or we go with a manager who can deliver better than 3 points from 27 even when the perfect conditions are not in place, which they are unlikely to be.

Can Glasner deliver if the perfect conditions are in place? Of course, he’s demonstrated that he can.

Can Glasner deliver when the conditions are less than perfect? No, he’s demonstrated this inability.

So, once more, do we stick with Glasner hoping the perfect conditions manifest and stay or do we get a manager in who can adapt to this uncertainty?

I prefer the latter and suggest this will become more and more necessary whilst the perfect conditions are not in place for OG, we continue being incapable of winning football games, all joy from watching Palace has been sucked form the fans and we head towards relegation.

If we had any replacements in the squad you might be right. However we did not, and still do not. No manager on earth can magic a body out of his ear hole, and even if he could he wouldn’t be registered to play…

 

[Linford]

It’s not 2 or 3 is it? It’s 7, 8, 9 that we don’t have anyone to replace. Where do you draw the line?

 

[Linford]

Once you start pulling that many out of a squad, especially a small squad, of course you’ll see what that does to a squad.

Even the big clubs have suffered when it’s happened to them, and they’ve had people to step in.