Glasner Out

[Eagle-Trucker]

As Meatloaf said - One out of two ain't bad.

Or the old saying , A bird in the bush is worth two in the hand .

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Or the old saying , A bird in the bush is worth two in the hand .

Especially if it's Kate Bush.

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

I see said the blind man
there's a hole in the wall
you're a liar said the dummy
you can't see at all .

An old Irish poem ( slow news day )

 

[Willo]

Or the old saying , A bird in the bush is worth two in the hand .

A gentleman whom I used to know and hailed from West London once said to me , "A bird in the Strand is worth two in Shepherd's Bush".

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Everything i have said for 6 months is coming true, one trick pony, lack of imagination, poor media relations, poor judge of player, a manager that can only play one way, and then only if his first 11 are ready, the Emperors new clothes, he is a poor manager, use your eyes, FFS gullible is the word, moronic line ups, pathetic moaning arrogant prick.

Speaking of pathetic... this absolute stinks. The insecurity on you to keep flogging this stuff rather than just admit you had it wrong.

You've been waiting months and months for a bad run, which is clearly the result of injuries, to pretend the bloke who is statistically our best ever manager is actually terrible, and on top of that apparently he's fair game for personal abuse.

All from some utter plum who thought Eze was one of the best players in the world 🤣

 

[Eagleman13]

Speaking of pathetic... this absolute stinks. The insecurity on you to keep flogging this stuff rather than just admit you had it wrong.

You've been waiting months and months for a bad run, which is clearly the result of injuries, to pretend the bloke who is statistically our best ever manager is actually terrible, and on top of that apparently he's fair game for personal abuse.

All from some utter plum who thought Eze was one of the best players in the world 🤣

Feel better now?

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Speaking of pathetic... this absolute stinks. The insecurity on you to keep flogging this stuff rather than just admit you had it wrong.

You've been waiting months and months for a bad run, which is clearly the result of injuries, to pretend the bloke who is statistically our best ever manager is actually terrible, and on top of that apparently he's fair game for personal abuse.

All from some utter plum who thought Eze was one of the best players in the world 🤣

Its a results business, Vieira got sacked for a worse run, he is dead in the water.

 

[CrazyBadger]

The issue is not that the system doesn't work against teams sitting back - I think it does, you don't have a 19 game unbeaten run without some teams sitting back against you.. Taking the horrendous Macc game out of the picture(I missed the Leeds loss), we've created chances in all our games, but it's our finishing that has been woeful. That means the system is working, but our strikers aren't.

Where he falls over is when he doesn't have the players to make this system work effectively and it fails to even create those chances. Our current predicament is exaggerated by the lack of training time due to Fixture congestion. You can't train/prepare the full 11 because we're resting most of them, which makes it really hard to integrate the 'new guys'. Similarly, changing a system is difficult with limited training.
Not an excuse as OG needs to find a solution to this situation and actually shows poor foresight and a lack of planning in the lead up to this run. It's almost as if he wanted to make a point. 🤐

 

[taylors lovechild]

Yes we have, but OG knows best, obviously

I'm all ears...

Our senior subs against Villa were Uche, Richards and Sosa. Do you want to play two left backs? How about four centre-backs? We don't currently have a right back, so if we moved to a back four not only would we lose our width, but we'd also lose our defensive stability (we're still not conceding hardly any goals from open play). Maybe there is a better formation with the current available players, but personally I can't see it. The back three are so well drilled in open play that to mix that up seems a huge risk.

 

[ASCPFC]

Its a results business, Vieira got sacked for a worse run, he is dead in the water.

Parish has not been slow to pull the trigger at other times.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Parish has not been slow to pull the trigger at other times.

Roy Rogers is keeping quiet about that.

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

Roy Rogers is keeping quiet about that.

There's a joke about Rodney pulling a Trigger but its just not coming to me .

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Its a results business, Vieira got sacked for a worse run, he is dead in the water.

If you think Glasner is at any risk of being sacked, you know even less than I thought.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Feel better now?

Another excellent contribution to a thread, as seems to be your specialism.

Well done to you.

 

[ASCPFC]

If you think Glasner is at any risk of being sacked, you know even less than I thought.

That's not fully true. He hasn't renewed his contract, and the results have been bad for a while. It feels like it was around this type of run that got Vieira sacked. Maybe it was worse. I can't fully remember and haven't looked it up.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

That's not fully true. He hasn't renewed his contract, and the results have been bad for a while. It feels like it was around this type of run that got Vieira sacked. Maybe it was worse. I can't fully remember and haven't looked it up.

It is 'true' - there's absolutely no chance Glasner gets sacked any time soon.

If we go and lose 10 on the bounce from here, maybe, but it's not even close yet.

Anyone approaching this honestly can see why our form has dropped off; injuries to key players, fatigue to others, combined with a major lack of depth in the squad.

I don't agree with everything Glasner has done, but it's very clear he's not particularly responsible for the dip in results. When you then factor in the credit he has in the bank from, you know, being our best ever manager and winning an FA cup 6 months ago, then talk of him being sacked just becomes ludicrous.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I most of us understand a lot is going on behind the scenes.

This was the period which Glasner identified as the decision period on his Palace future.

I expect clarify one way or the other shortly.

I feel the uncertainty has had a significant effect on form.

You won't have committed players without a committed manager.

 

[ASCPFC]

It is 'true' - there's absolutely no chance Glasner gets sacked any time soon.

If we go and lose 10 on the bounce from here, maybe, but it's not even close yet.

Anyone approaching this honestly can see why our form has dropped off; injuries to key players, fatigue to others, combined with a major lack of depth in the squad.

I don't agree with everything Glasner has done, but it's very clear he's not particularly responsible for the dip in results. When you then factor in the credit he has in the bank from, you know, being our best ever manager and winning an FA cup 6 months ago, then talk of him being sacked just becomes ludicrous.

I hardly think we can make definite statements like that. Lose four-nil, concede three from set pieces and you don't think Parish will have a word? Lose the next two badly - what then? There is only certain time and patience in football and Parish has not been particularly patient. The obvious cliche of it being a results business.
I don't think it will happen but it certainly can't be ruled out entirely.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I hardly think we can make definite statements like that. Lose four-nil, concede three from set pieces and you don't think Parish will have a word? Lose the next two badly - what then? There is only certain time and patience in football and Parish has not been particularly patient. The obvious cliche of it being a results business.
I don't think it will happen but it certainly can't be ruled out entirely.

Oh cmon, it's a forum not a courtroom - half of what is said on here are definitive statements without actually being that.

I think it would take another 5 losses at least before the board would even consider something like sacking Glasner - I think it's crazy to talk as if we're close to that - taking your Vieira example; he went 12-winless, we had scored 21 in 27 league games, failed to have a shot on target for 3 consecutive games, and were 3 points from the relegation places.

As disappointing as the last few weeks have been, we are clearly nowhere near that - that's my point.

Our league form in the last 12 games is: 4 wins, 3 draws and 5 losses - that would've been considered a good run under Vieira!

 

[NEILLO]

That's not fully true. He hasn't renewed his contract, and the results have been bad for a while. It feels like it was around this type of run that got Vieira sacked. Maybe it was worse. I can't fully remember and haven't looked it up.

Not fully true in as much as that just about every manager is at risk of the sack. Look at the media noise around Thomas Frank at the moment and recently Arne Slot - and he won the League last season.

Also, as I posted earlier, this bad run started as recently as December 7th. Just over a month ago. So we've had a lot of fixtures in that time and that in itself is a reason for our recent struggles. Most clubs outside the top few would find it hard with the depth of our squad and the injuries we've had to be able to cope.

Re Vieira, he was sacked in mid-March after a run of 12 winless games. At the time we were 12th in the table but only 3 points ahead of Bournemouth in 18th place - and they had a game in hand. Just 5 points separated the bottom 9 clubs at that time.

The current situation bares little comparison. Thanks to a decent start to the season, we have points in the bank. Returning players, and hopefully some quality new signings, and we should move up rather than down the table. And if you look at the bottom 3, it would take a huge points swing to wind up in a relegation place.

There are a couple on here that have a personal agenda against Glasner. Why I don't know, and actually I'm not interested in finding out. Pointing out any flaws in their thinking isn't going to change their minds so I will only reluctantly engage with them.

Saturdays result has freaked a lot of people out, me included. These days people seem hell bent on apportioning blame when things go wrong. So I'm laying the blame on the following ;

Steve Parish
Oliver Glasner
The players

All of them contributed to our success last season. All of them have a level of accountability to our present state of play.