Glasner Out

We are not the only club that has their managers contract up at the end of this season.

In fact there are parallels between Fulham / Silva and ourselves / Glasner.

Both managers have voiced their annoyance with their clubs not doing early business in the summer transfer window. Both have had both bad and good runs of results this season. Ours currently bad but a few weeks ago Fulham were struggling.

Here's what a Fulham site were saying in November ;

'' Silva’s contract is the biggest stick people are using to beat him with. He hasn’t committed to a new deal, which runs out in the summer.

So what?

Some people argue that it will harm our attempts to sign players in January and the close season if we don’t have a committed manager.

Will it? We don’t sign players in January (who aren’t called Willian), and we don’t make any moves in the main window until late August , by which point we will have a replacement in if Silva walks, so what’s the problem? It’s only a issue if we have long-term plans in place, which we have consistently shown we do not.
Marco’s not infallible. There are things he could improve. He could have a more robust plan B; he could be less prickly at times when things don’t go his way; he could swallow his pride and get on board more with decisions that don’t go his way, for the good of the team (JKA, anyone?).

But he is in the top two managers I’ve seen in 30 years of supporting Fulham FC – and letting him go now would not only be a terrible decision in the context of the 2025/26 Premier League season, it would be potentially catastrophic for the next few years ''.


No manager is perfect. The Art of being a successful manager is to get it right more often than you get it wrong. I'm not going to rehash recent debates about Glasner, however I will say that I would like him to stay and build upon the success that he has brought to the club. And those Fulham comments could easily have been made by a Palace fan about Glasner.

But he's not unique in deferring a contract decision until he can see evidence of the direction of travel that his club are taking. Fulham look like they are preparing a big contract for Silva which may see him staying. I think Iraola will be on the move though.



Andoni Iraola's contract is up also, i would certainly prefer him to Glasner.
 
People keep bleating on about changing the system, but we currently have no fit right-back and four centre-backs. We have three fit senior midfielders, two wide forwards, one striker, one-size Devenny, and whatever Uche is. Some of the youngsters have looked ok, but they're not ready to have a big impact on a game. So what is this formation that wouldn't mean people playing out of position? OG's success is built around thorough planning and training, which is probably why he tends to be a slow starter at clubs, but it's also why we're unlikely to see a significant change, just tweaks.

Yes, we got humiliated against Macclesfield, but before that we got a draw against a team who had won 11 out of their last 12 games and we could have beaten them, even with our limited squad. The fact is, a club our size can't afford to have so many key first-team players missing. For those currently keen for OG to go it might be prudent to note one of the names being pushed as a replacement is a Spanish bloke who has found success with a smaller team by meticulous planning and a rigid formation. I would also point out that other managers like Iraolo, Howe and Silva have also had some long runs this season where they've struggled. It's just the nature of the beast.
If we had played a back four on Canvot, Richards, Guehi and Mitchell, a midfield four of Pino, Hughes, Wharton and Devenny, and a front two of Uche and Johnson, we have one player, Canvot out of position, and we would have won the game, instead we put out a moronic team, so we can try and stick to the system, that is not managing its pigheadedness.
 
If we had played a back four on Canvot, Richards, Guehi and Mitchell, a midfield four of Pino, Hughes, Wharton and Devenny, and a front two of Uche and Johnson, we have one player, Canvot out of position, and we would have won the game, instead we put out a moronic team, so we can try and stick to the system, that is not managing its pigheadedness.
He changed to a back four and two up top during the Macclesfield game and if anything we got worse. Also, did you not watch Canvot when he previously played right-back? If you did then I question your sanity suggesting he play there again. I'm all for mixing things up if we have options, but we don't.
 
There are not that many posts downright demanding OG to go. There are a lot that recognise he is not perfect and his current contract situation is probably not helping.

There are also a lot of posts(myself included) that are questioning his refusal to look at other solutions in terms of the formation. His job as manager is to find solutions, it’s as simple as that. None of us are premier league managers, and can only give our opinion on how we see things and what we would do with the available resources.

We all know that we have these periods every season but it’s how you deal with them, but after the Macclesfield debacle fans are rightly asking questions.
There is one thing the ordinary fan can easily be an expert on even a five year old,the results have dropped off dramatically no wins in all the competitions since i believe the 11th December, Santa's sleigh did not visit S.E.25!
 
I am not sure how many want Glasner to go; the title of this thread is nonsense sensationalism. What I do know is that our current form is terrible, culminating in a humiliating exit, as holders, from the FA Cup, to team ranked 117 places below us. I do also know from Parish's history with previous managers that there is a cut off point to his patience, given that he is on record saying that being in the Premiership is essential for the club. The next few games will likely decide Glasner's fate.
 
He changed to a back four and two up top during the Macclesfield game and if anything we got worse. Also, did you not watch Canvot when he previously played right-back? If you did then I question your sanity suggesting he play there again. I'm all for mixing things up if we have options, but we don't.
I think playing right back against Macclesfield is a bit different to playing right back against a Brazilian international winger who is in good form.

I take your point that injuries are a big problem but if we don’t have a fit right back then we haven’t had a fit right wing back for several weeks and still been playing a system reliant on wing backs. I would contend that playing conventional full back is a lot easier than wing back. That’s why there are plenty of good full backs in the Premier League but very few good wing backs.

Where the frustration comes from is that we have taken 2 points from 18 and scored one goal from open play in that time but changed nothing.

In any event the frustrations with system are less about last Saturday then prior league games. To an extent OG was right when he said as a premier league player against semi pros you should have enough quality to win whatever the system. The worrying thing on Saturday was the mentality and approach from players and manager.
 
I think playing right back against Macclesfield is a bit different to playing right back against a Brazilian international winger who is in good form.

I take your point that injuries are a big problem but if we don’t have a fit right back then we haven’t had a fit right wing back for several weeks and still been playing a system reliant on wing backs. I would contend that playing conventional full back is a lot easier than wing back. That’s why there are plenty of good full backs in the Premier League but very few good wing backs.

Where the frustration comes from is that we have taken 2 points from 18 and scored one goal from open play in that time but changed nothing.

In any event the frustrations with system are less about last Saturday then prior league games. To an extent OG was right when he said as a premier league player against semi pros you should have enough quality to win whatever the system. The worrying thing on Saturday was the mentality and approach from players and manager.
Since beating Fulham away on December 7th., in the League we have ;

Lost 0-3 to Man City. Scoreline a trifle harsh but we played an in-form City that day
Lost 1-4 to Leeds. Easily the worst performance of the season and a deserved defeat
Lost 0-1 to Spurs. Had plenty of opportunities and conceded a cheap goal to a bang average Spurs
Drew 1-1 with Fulham. Couldn't hold onto the lead but a draw a fair result
Lost 0-2 to Newcastle. Stayed competitive without doing enough to take anything from the game
Drew 0-0 with Villa. Played well and merited a draw against a team that had won 11 of 12 previous games

Conference League ;

Won 3-0 at Sherbourne. A decent first half was enough against opposition not dissimilar in quality to Macclesfield
Drew 2-2 with KuPS. Gambled with youngsters and failed to get the win which would have qualified us for the knock out stage. Very disappointing

EFL Cup ;

Lost on penalties at Arsenal. Merited the drawn game and did well to come back late in the match

Compare that to the beginning of last season when we went without a win until October. To me it feels similar. Key players missing. Competitive in most of the games and this season only truly woeful at Leeds and of course at Macclesfield.

My point being that we are not far off from where we want to be. But we need those key players back to get us there.

I would be more concerned if we were getting spanked every week and not creating goal scoring opportunities. What has happened is that our goals have dried up and suddenly we have become vulnerable at set pieces. Both of those areas need improvement and I think we will see that as we get back to something like full strength.
 
Since beating Fulham away on December 7th., in the League we have ;

Lost 0-3 to Man City. Scoreline a trifle harsh but we played an in-form City that day
Lost 1-4 to Leeds. Easily the worst performance of the season and a deserved defeat
Lost 0-1 to Spurs. Had plenty of opportunities and conceded a cheap goal to a bang average Spurs
Drew 1-1 with Fulham. Couldn't hold onto the lead but a draw a fair result
Lost 0-2 to Newcastle. Stayed competitive without doing enough to take anything from the game
Drew 0-0 with Villa. Played well and merited a draw against a team that had won 11 of 12 previous games

Conference League ;

Won 3-0 at Sherbourne. A decent first half was enough against opposition not dissimilar in quality to Macclesfield
Drew 2-2 with KuPS. Gambled with youngsters and failed to get the win which would have qualified us for the knock out stage. Very disappointing

EFL Cup ;

Lost on penalties at Arsenal. Merited the drawn game and did well to come back late in the match

Compare that to the beginning of last season when we went without a win until October. To me it feels similar. Key players missing. Competitive in most of the games and this season only truly woeful at Leeds and of course at Macclesfield.

My point being that we are not far off from where we want to be. But we need those key players back to get us there.

I would be more concerned if we were getting spanked every week and not creating goal scoring opportunities. What has happened is that our goals have dried up and suddenly we have become vulnerable at set pieces. Both of those areas need improvement and I think we will see that as we get back to something like full strength.
Ahhh, sense at last.
 
Since beating Fulham away on December 7th., in the League we have ;

Lost 0-3 to Man City. Scoreline a trifle harsh but we played an in-form City that day
Lost 1-4 to Leeds. Easily the worst performance of the season and a deserved defeat
Lost 0-1 to Spurs. Had plenty of opportunities and conceded a cheap goal to a bang average Spurs
Drew 1-1 with Fulham. Couldn't hold onto the lead but a draw a fair result
Lost 0-2 to Newcastle. Stayed competitive without doing enough to take anything from the game
Drew 0-0 with Villa. Played well and merited a draw against a team that had won 11 of 12 previous games

Conference League ;

Won 3-0 at Sherbourne. A decent first half was enough against opposition not dissimilar in quality to Macclesfield
Drew 2-2 with KuPS. Gambled with youngsters and failed to get the win which would have qualified us for the knock out stage. Very disappointing

EFL Cup ;

Lost on penalties at Arsenal. Merited the drawn game and did well to come back late in the match

Compare that to the beginning of last season when we went without a win until October. To me it feels similar. Key players missing. Competitive in most of the games and this season only truly woeful at Leeds and of course at Macclesfield.

My point being that we are not far off from where we want to be. But we need those key players back to get us there.

I would be more concerned if we were getting spanked every week and not creating goal scoring opportunities. What has happened is that our goals have dried up and suddenly we have become vulnerable at set pieces. Both of those areas need improvement and I think we will see that as we get back to something like full strength.
You would think they were Wolves standard of performance,what a turnaround in fortunes we have suffered.
 
He changed to a back four and two up top during the Macclesfield game and if anything we got worse. Also, did you not watch Canvot when he previously played right-back? If you did then I question your sanity suggesting he play there again. I'm all for mixing things up if we have options, but we don't.

doesn't canvot play right back for france u20's?
 
You would think they were Wolves standard of performance,what a turnaround in fortunes we have suffered.
In private conversations, and perhaps on HOL, I predicted our demise on account of player non-availability and demands of the schedule. I was lambasted by some accusing me of a continuation of my doom-laden prophecies.
Some of my prognostications sometimes do materialise !
 
In private conversations, and perhaps on HOL, I predicted our demise on account of player non-availability and demands of the schedule. I was lambasted by some accusing me of a continuation of my doom-laden prophecies.
Some of my prognostications sometimes do materialise !
Perhaps you should have emailed Steve Parish with your concerns. Although of course he may not have read it anyway.

I think there are plenty of people on here that could see this slump coming for the reasons that you articulated
 
In private conversations, and perhaps on HOL, I predicted our demise on account of player non-availability and demands of the schedule. I was lambasted by some accusing me of a continuation of my doom-laden prophecies.
Some of my prognostications sometimes do materialise !
as the saying goes a broken clock/watch is correct once a day (twice if 12 hour face for the pedantics)
 
He changed to a back four and two up top during the Macclesfield game and if anything we got worse. Also, did you not watch Canvot when he previously played right-back? If you did then I question your sanity suggesting he play there again. I'm all for mixing things up if we have options, but we don't.

Yes, it was as if the players weren't familiar with the system, yet surely all would have played 442 or 433 for most of their careers.

Guehi and Richards were woeful 2nd half, yet both play internationally in a flat back 4 and of course MG spend 3 years next to Andersen in a flat back 4 for Palace.

Frank at Brentford used to switch between a flat back 4 and a 3 depending on the opponent - something i have always felt is a common sense approach, especially at home against 'weaker' opponents.

In terms of our formation just having Johnson upfront/on the right from the start was an obvious omission as it is clear that we have struggled to score over the last month and we were missing Mateta.
Against Shelbourne we had a decent forward line, despite also missing JP and were 3 up at half time. That was the obvious blueprint to follow.

However, i think the biggest issue was not the formation but the way we set up with the slow build up and passing across the back 3. Are they told to do this? We regularly do this in the league, both home and away. Similarly the constant slowness in taking throw ins and free kicks again just slows the game down and is surely a time wasting exercise - Mitchell got booked at Newcastle as the ref got fed up with this tactic in the 49th minute!

Against Macc this 'tactic' just played into their hands. Gave them a rest and allowed them to get back into shape. You could see them growing in confidence the longer the first half went on.
 
He changed to a back four and two up top during the Macclesfield game and if anything we got worse. Also, did you not watch Canvot when he previously played right-back? If you did then I question your sanity suggesting he play there again. I'm all for mixing things up if we have options, but we don't.
Yes we have, but OG knows best, obviously
 
Perhaps you should have emailed Steve Parish with your concerns. Although of course he may not have read it anyway.

I think there are plenty of people on here that could see this slump coming for the reasons that you articulated.
I accept many of our supporters believed we would face a challenging time but perhaps not to such an extent.
I fear the slump will not be arrested in short order and I have a brow corrugated with concern.
 

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