Glasner Out

Painter said:
This whole Glasner saga is just so Palace. After following them for the best part of 60 years, whenever we get any success and the future looks brighter, it all comes crashing down.
The team of the 80's crashed due to Venables
The team of 89/90 crashed due to Noades racist comments
The Bruce saga after getting us top of the Championship
The Dowie saga after getting us promoted to the Premier.
Dodgy chairmen Goldberg and Jordan, who nearly ruined the club.

After seeing it all before, you know something or one will bring it crashing back down again.
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Sad but true , you missed Bloye he put us a million in bebt that's why uncle Ron brought us , younger supporters are only just learning the joys of being palace supporters , they have been spoilt by us winning FA cup 🤩
 
How much we loved him for what he did last year , he is showing his true colours now!!
He wants to get sacked for the £££ and to say he can replace the players and fit in the new players brought in is a joke& excuse!!
Guehi & Eze have gone that’s all, the board have made a mistake like Liverpool in going for Johnson rather than a quality CB or a left sided no10.
Canvot has potential and looks ok but has made a few mistakes but he’s young & learning , I’m sure Guehi made a few mistakes at that age too
After his words in pre match he should resign after wolves game whatever the result.
 
cryrst said:
Some may compare us to the clowns with Curbishly who went and they dropped like a stone. The fans thought they were better than they were. If this was our scenario and we were holding our own and playing decent footy with wins but mid table I would be OG in. He had us slagging off the board and SP. We all fell for it I’m afraid to say.
It isn’t like the clowns. The love for this man after the
FA cup win was unconditional.
Now we are back singing south londons red blue army. SP needs to act and not use the club to punish him which in effect affects us, the fans who have unconditional love for our club. COYP .
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Steve Parish acts in the interests of CPFC. He is not motivated by using the club as a vehicle for retribution against any individual as alluded to in the comments above.
 
It seems his latest comments in criticising the fans is his last throw of the dice in getting the sack. Slating the board after the Sunderland game didn’t work so he’s going to make it as toxic as possible.

He even claims that they tried playing 4 at the back in training and the players couldn’t adjust to it. It suspect that’s absolute nonsense. All of our players would have played in various formations in the past, whether that’s internationally or at previous clubs.

He really should have gone straight after the Sunderland game. We’re talking about a man that verbally handed his notice in back in October when we’d just lost our first game, ending our extended unbeaten run. We were riding high and feared nobody.

I’ll never forget the days at Wembley he gave us. I’ll also never forget how we embarrassed ourselves at Macclesfield defending our trophy, and taking the gloss off what we achieved in May.

Parish has so far refused to sack Glasner and in return he’s attempting to plot his own departure. The losers are the paying fans who travel all over the UK, some much further, and the supporters who shell out for home games that have to put up with this egotistical maniac attempt to derail us.
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
This is the team you will get tomorrow, the atmosphere will be hostile, the players will hate it, Glasner will explode, not literally, i cant believe Parish can let this happen
Henderson
Canvot Richards Riad
Muñoz Wharton Kamada Mitchell
Sarr Larsen Pino

This IMO should be the team, Managed by Paddy, Positive atmosphere, fans backing Paddy and the Players, and 3 points
Henderson
Muñoz Richards Riad Mitchell
Pino Hughes Wharton Devenny
Sarr Larsen
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He has to play 4-4-2 tomorrow, he has the players to do it. Winds me up when he says they tried and didnt work, as quoted by Roy Kent "its the formation that these players have been playing since they were kids"

Henderson
Muñoz Richards Riad Mitchell
Sarr Hughes Wharton Pino
Guessand Larsen

I was also a firm believer that Parish would keep while we are still in Europe, as thought his "expeirence" would see us through, but after Thursday if we have any chance of making the later rounds it cant be with him.
 
whatever we all think of Ollie now, good or bad, he’s got to go, give him his wish, it could all get a bit toxic tomorrow if things go wrong. It’s unsettling the club now and we seriously need a handful of points to avoid that last spot because on current form it’s between us and Brighton, no way are West Ham forest or spurs going down imo
Maybe paddy Mac has his limitations, but he’ll at least get the players galvanised and fighting again to hopefully scrape the points we need
 
After Thursdays game I wanted him gone before the Wolves game, however after his latest round of bullsh!t press interviews I hope he is still in charge on Sunday. That way we/I will have the opportunity to voice how maybe he needs to stay humble and not take us for mugs.

I don’t revel in a toxic atmosphere, but sometimes it is required and trust that as fans we will come together to express our feelings towards this prat.
It is such a shame that it has come to this. 😞
 
He seems to have a public press conference then a media only press conference

1 we all see hear what he says
2 we only hear / read from media sources what he says when the
Mic is switched off

He has done this on at least 3 occasions now & he contradicts himself every time Why for the life of us is Parish & Hobbs putting up with negativity from a Manager ?

So many ppl not going to Wolves game re selling tickets speaks volumes
Poor sales for home Conf League also speaks volumes
Yet Parish himself seems lost from the day we lifted the community shield he’s gone AWOL in really steeping up to the next level or being responsible for the fool leading the team.
 
The assumption here is that Paddy would take charge of the team when Glasner ‘leaves by mutual consent’ ie sacked. PM was left in the hot seat when Vieira was sacked and had to take the team to the Emirates for a 4-0 drubbing by Arsenal. He may not want the responsibility this time especially as the crowd would be expecting a bounce back of form against a bottom side. Hence the delay.
 
TheBigToePunt said:
I think 'Manager Out' stuff is often part of a misunderstanding of the nature of football, manifest in the now common expression that 'he' has lost however many games out of 'his' last ten, or 'he' has a good record against 'him'.

Years ago there was far too little thoughtful analysis of tactics and technical organisation. Now there is far too much, to the point that it is back-projected onto events in a way that has little relationship to what actually just happened on the grass. There is a whole industry built on overstating the effect of such-and-such a coaches 'philosophy', on how Liverpool v City, or whoever, is a matter of Pep and his possession-based method against Klopp and his fast-counter attacking style, as if the presence on the field of world-class footballers in fantastic condition, and who are trying very hard, is incidental. As if it is anything other than a game of very fine margins that includes luck.

The role and significance of the manager has mutated into something previously unrecognisable. They are held more directly responsible for smaller and smaller on-field things over shorter and shorter terms, even though they have less power and control than ever. His football is stodgy. His football is free-flowing. He plays with a high-line. He plays on the counter. He was flying but has now lost his sparkle. To hear some media and fan assessments, you would think these guys play against each other, 1v1, to decide the game. Tactics matter, but its not chess.

Also, the manager is now responsible not only for players mentality, but for outside perceptions of their mentality. The players just don't seem to be running for him. He seems to have lost the dressing room. They've stopped listening to him. Mindset and motivation, however, are not so easy to prove. Many of us are diagnosing mental weakness from the stands or the sofa having never met a single one of the people involved, and with no insight whatsoever to what is said and done behind closed doors. From the outside it looked like the players and/or manager were half asleep against Macclesfield. However, Franny Jeffers, the Macclesfield assistant manager, was on some podcast the other day and said that at half time Glasner and Guehi were in fact going at each other full on in a way that surprised him. We project weak leadership or sloppy culture onto poor performances, just like we project strong minds and hearts onto good results. In truth, we haven't got a clue what these people are like with each other behind closed doors.

Even if a player is unmotivated or lazy, the solution rarely involves the manager reaching into the players mind and flicking some switch. That idea is a remanent from the days when big characters like Shankly and Clough would talk up their own abilities in that respect, and believe their own hype. What is often overlooked, is that their players were on very average wages, and entirely beholden to the whims of their manager for their financial futures. No wonder they hung on the bosses every word. Players don't have that fear now. They are far more secure in every respect than the manager. What if, for example, Johnson or Pino are playing so badly because they are arrogant twats who couldn't care less, or they are gutted and deeply regret moving to us when they could have stayed where they were? What possible sway would Glasner have over them? The players would need to be carefully traded out for as little a loss as possible, something that could take a long time. The manager can't spike their Lucozade with mind-altering drugs!

None of which is to suggest that the manager, with his tactics, training, and how he leads by example around the place, don't matter. Perhaps we are right to see Glasner as the cause of these listless performances. My thinking on that is twofold:

Firstly, we don't actually know what he is like at work. Even his media output, including his (unforgivable, in my view) outburst after Sunderland doesn't show us what he is like behind the scenes. Perhaps he is taking every care in his handling of the players mindsets. Perhaps, in his day to day work, he remains the manager most of us held him to be this time last year. We just can't know. If Glasner was chucking it in behind the scenes, though, I cannot imagine Parish would not know about it. For any of us to say that Glasner has given up and doesn't care is just frustrated guesswork from a position of ignorance.

Secondly, if we fall into the trap of seeing the managers tactics as the prime reason we win or lose, and the level of performance within those tactics as the direct result solely of his ability to motivate the players, we fall into the trap of overestimating the importance of the manager generally. He is a key part, but not the kingpin upon whom all things depend and can be blamed or praised. His work is vital, but not nowhere near as impactful as wider circumstances.

It might be that a new manager with a different approach leads to a bit of a positive bounce (although that cannot be guaranteed), or better suits the players (I believe now that it would). Even so, sooner or later Palace will play badly for a sustained period, and get poor results. Will we just constantly recycle the manager every time? We have done very well out of not being that kind of club, by staying calm as others destabilise themselves and crumble.

I wouldn't be too sad or surprised if Glasner does get the sack, but I also wouldn't be in anything like as big a rush as many on here to give him the boot as part of some indignant, crowd-pleasing performance like they do at Spurs or West Ham. I don't think it helps Palace to act like that. It's not playing to our strengths in the long term.
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Fantastic post, BigToePunt. Absolutely spot on in your assessment in my opinion.
 
Foxy82 said:
Maybe he's just found a new love for Take That?

In all seriousness though, he needs to piss off, Parish should've sacked him off after the Sunderland outburst, as many fans knew.

Tomorrow is going to be very toxic indeed, maybe it's what Parish wants, to show the narcissist he ain't loved no more?
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Perhaps the players will walk out to this tomorrow.. 😂
 
Team of the (20)80s said:
When I first read the comments about ‘stay humble’ I thought they were made up, but then seeing the Sky Sports segment… wow, this man really wants to be sacked.
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Makes you wonder what he's been like within the club and particularly in his dealings with Steve Parish whose side of the story hasn't emerged yet.
Henry Winter last night pointed out that the circumstances he's been complaining about are the same as those confronting almost every manager - they don't get all the players they want, lose those they do, experience injuries and fixture congestion, etc, although big clubs have the resources to cope more easily.
Just guessing but with OG perhaps his success last year made him doubt he could carry it on and he's now showing a lack of confidence in his.own abilities.
 
Willo said:
Steve Parish acts in the interests of CPFC. He is not motivated by using the club as a vehicle for retribution against any individual as alluded to in the comments above.
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You would hope so however we need an improvement in performance and ultimately results, until then the jury is out for me on why he is allowing this mess to get worse and drag on
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Makes you wonder what he's been like within the club and particularly in his dealings with Steve Parish whose side of the story hasn't emerged yet.
Henry Winter last night pointed out that the circumstances he's been complaining about are the same as those confronting almost every manager - they don't get all the players they want, lose those they do, experience injuries and fixture congestion, etc, although big clubs have the resources to cope more easily.
Just guessing but with OG perhaps his success last year made him doubt he could carry it on and he's now showing a lack of confidence in his.own abilities.
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One could deduce that his cries of "Not good enough" were purely designed to force an exit from the club.
 
TheBigToePunt said:
I think 'Manager Out' stuff is often part of a misunderstanding of the nature of football, manifest in the now common expression that 'he' has lost however many games out of 'his' last ten, or 'he' has a good record against 'him'.

Years ago there was far too little thoughtful analysis of tactics and technical organisation. Now there is far too much, to the point that it is back-projected onto events in a way that has little relationship to what actually just happened on the grass. There is a whole industry built on overstating the effect of such-and-such a coaches 'philosophy', on how Liverpool v City, or whoever, is a matter of Pep and his possession-based method against Klopp and his fast-counter attacking style, as if the presence on the field of world-class footballers in fantastic condition, and who are trying very hard, is incidental. As if it is anything other than a game of very fine margins that includes luck.

The role and significance of the manager has mutated into something previously unrecognisable. They are held more directly responsible for smaller and smaller on-field things over shorter and shorter terms, even though they have less power and control than ever. His football is stodgy. His football is free-flowing. He plays with a high-line. He plays on the counter. He was flying but has now lost his sparkle. To hear some media and fan assessments, you would think these guys play against each other, 1v1, to decide the game. Tactics matter, but its not chess.

Also, the manager is now responsible not only for players mentality, but for outside perceptions of their mentality. The players just don't seem to be running for him. He seems to have lost the dressing room. They've stopped listening to him. Mindset and motivation, however, are not so easy to prove. Many of us are diagnosing mental weakness from the stands or the sofa having never met a single one of the people involved, and with no insight whatsoever to what is said and done behind closed doors. From the outside it looked like the players and/or manager were half asleep against Macclesfield. However, Franny Jeffers, the Macclesfield assistant manager, was on some podcast the other day and said that at half time Glasner and Guehi were in fact going at each other full on in a way that surprised him. We project weak leadership or sloppy culture onto poor performances, just like we project strong minds and hearts onto good results. In truth, we haven't got a clue what these people are like with each other behind closed doors.

Even if a player is unmotivated or lazy, the solution rarely involves the manager reaching into the players mind and flicking some switch. That idea is a remanent from the days when big characters like Shankly and Clough would talk up their own abilities in that respect, and believe their own hype. What is often overlooked, is that their players were on very average wages, and entirely beholden to the whims of their manager for their financial futures. No wonder they hung on the bosses every word. Players don't have that fear now. They are far more secure in every respect than the manager. What if, for example, Johnson or Pino are playing so badly because they are arrogant twats who couldn't care less, or they are gutted and deeply regret moving to us when they could have stayed where they were? What possible sway would Glasner have over them? The players would need to be carefully traded out for as little a loss as possible, something that could take a long time. The manager can't spike their Lucozade with mind-altering drugs!

None of which is to suggest that the manager, with his tactics, training, and how he leads by example around the place, don't matter. Perhaps we are right to see Glasner as the cause of these listless performances. My thinking on that is twofold:

Firstly, we don't actually know what he is like at work. Even his media output, including his (unforgivable, in my view) outburst after Sunderland doesn't show us what he is like behind the scenes. Perhaps he is taking every care in his handling of the players mindsets. Perhaps, in his day to day work, he remains the manager most of us held him to be this time last year. We just can't know. If Glasner was chucking it in behind the scenes, though, I cannot imagine Parish would not know about it. For any of us to say that Glasner has given up and doesn't care is just frustrated guesswork from a position of ignorance.

Secondly, if we fall into the trap of seeing the managers tactics as the prime reason we win or lose, and the level of performance within those tactics as the direct result solely of his ability to motivate the players, we fall into the trap of overestimating the importance of the manager generally. He is a key part, but not the kingpin upon whom all things depend and can be blamed or praised. His work is vital, but not nowhere near as impactful as wider circumstances.

It might be that a new manager with a different approach leads to a bit of a positive bounce (although that cannot be guaranteed), or better suits the players (I believe now that it would). Even so, sooner or later Palace will play badly for a sustained period, and get poor results. Will we just constantly recycle the manager every time? We have done very well out of not being that kind of club, by staying calm as others destabilise themselves and crumble.

I wouldn't be too sad or surprised if Glasner does get the sack, but I also wouldn't be in anything like as big a rush as many on here to give him the boot as part of some indignant, crowd-pleasing performance like they do at Spurs or West Ham. I don't think it helps Palace to act like that. It's not playing to our strengths in the long term.
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I think you make some very valid points.

The only evidence we have in how the manager is performing in his role is by what we see on the pitch and the results that go with that.

And of course that is where everything is falling down at present. And then the situation becomes no different to that of Frank at Spurs and Dyche at Forest. Neither of those guys became embroiled in public rants against their employees. But their tactics and results led them to being sacked, with the owners of those clubs deciding that things were unlikely to improve with them still at the helm. Glasner of course does have some ' collateral ' after our two trophy wins. But his conduct has become increasingly unacceptable. And while you are right, we don't know how he behaves '' at work '' , his behaviour with a microphone in front of him is there for us all to see and hear.

I've said on here many times that I supported the decision to let him see his contract out. I've also said that I don't hold him solely responsible for our current plight. But we all know how these things usually play out and that's with the manager being sacked - and that's without Glasners outbursts. Cue the players saying '' we have to take responsibility, we have to take a good look at ourselves '' etc etc.

So why hasn't Glasner been sacked by now ? On the face of it the justification for keeping him in the job has decreased in the last two weeks. I would think that if we fail to beat Wolves tomorrow then his situation becomes untenable. But I can only assume that Parish is either unable to get his man at the moment and is gambling on playing the waiting game, or an obvious, available contender such as Thomas Frank doesn't feel ready to take on the challenge or is reluctant to take over in the present circumstances.

And as you point out, there is no such thing as a guaranteed new manager bounce.
 
Willo said:
One could deduce that his cries of "Not good enough" were purely designed to force an exit from the club.
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Sure but, without excusing what he's said, it's also possible he's undergoing a genuine crisis of confidence. This is obviously nothing but guesswork.
 
NEILLO said:
I think you make some very valid points.

The only evidence we have in how the manager is performing in his role is by what we see on the pitch and the results that go with that.

And of course that is where everything is falling down at present. And then the situation becomes no different to that of Frank at Spurs and Dyche at Forest. Neither of those guys became embroiled in public rants against their employees. But their tactics and results led them to being sacked, with the owners of those clubs deciding that things were unlikely to improve with them still at the helm. Glasner of course does have some ' collateral ' after our two trophy wins. But his conduct has become increasingly unacceptable. And while you are right, we don't know how he behaves '' at work '' , his behaviour with a microphone in front of him is there for us all to see and hear.

I've said on here many times that I supported the decision to let him see his contract out. I've also said that I don't hold him solely responsible for our current plight. But we all know how these things usually play out and that's with the manager being sacked - and that's without Glasners outbursts. Cue the players saying '' we have to take responsibility, we have to take a good look at ourselves '' etc etc.

So why hasn't Glasner been sacked by now ? On the face of it the justification for keeping him in the job has decreased in the last two weeks. I would think that if we fail to beat Wolves tomorrow then his situation becomes untenable. But I can only assume that Parish is either unable to get his man at the moment and is gambling on playing the waiting game, or an obvious, available contender such as Thomas Frank doesn't feel ready to take on the challenge or is reluctant to take over in the present circumstances.

And as you point out, there is no such thing as a guaranteed new manager bounce.
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Thomas Frank lost 8 of his first 10 games when he succeeded Dean Smith at Brentford.
 
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