
Nigel Farage 'stunned' ex-Wales Reform leader Nathan Gill took bribes
Nathan Gill has admitted taking money for pro-Russian statements as a European Parliament member.

Agreed ex a bit like Angela Rayner ex- Housing Secretary, i will try to make my titles more comprehensive.The link says 'ex' leader but in your title it is not mentioned.
Are you suggesting I told you this!If it's true then I have no issue with it being news worthy but I have to say that people take money from foreign governments via lobbyists all the fecking time.....and the media don't report it because they aren't directed to.....and when they are it's usually by security/intelligence agencies.
I also have to repeat what Wisbech told me for many months.
We are not at war with Russia.....nor China and all this 'phobia' bait in the media is only used to justify some pretty awful foreign policy directions that multiple governments have taken.....resulting in us being poorer for zero gain.
But you know...look Russia....boo.
Seem to work on the soft brains for sure.
Are you suggesting I told you this!
Are you defending bribery? Whether directly or via a lobbyist?
We aren’t at war with Russia, in the direct sense, but we are under constant technological attack. They are unquestionably our adversaries and no one here, or anywhere in the western world, should ever either provide them with assistance or accept it from them.
Normalising relations via diplomacy, once their expansionist ambitions have been seen to be curtailed, and trading resumed, is another matter.
Kindly refer to the direct quote, rather than your “selected memory” of it!You know you did, unless you're having one of your selective memory episodes.
It was in the Ukraine thread when we were discussing Nato's role in the war with Russia. You, of course, wanted and fully supported all the actions that took us to the present, incredibly wasteful and expensive situation (like most of the economic decisions you have cheered on). When I made the point that the extent of our involvement was essentially war against Russia without declaring it you did your usual contrarian position.
I'm not of course suggesting that you were against our incredibly foolish policy....that's for sure. You were full of it...despite me telling you how it would turn out, which you only seemed to take on board once the facts on the ground became undeniable.
Though, perhaps you now think Ukraine's going to be winning....despite being weeks away from losing another two cities. Maybe you believe what Trump said (even though it was just an excuse for getting out of the mess and selling weapons to Europe, until Russia are looking to finish...again as predicted).
You are of course assuming that what is reported is impartial.....though how you can take what I said for 'defending bribery' is laughable. I've said on here many times that I think very poorly of the lobby system in general and everyone and their aunt knows it's mostly corruption going back hundreds of years and one of capitalism's weaknesses.....Nay, actually a weakness in all human economic systems.
As I clearly wrote, my point was to criticise the selective double standards when we know this is rife all through the system.....You only hear of it when the 'establishment' media want you to hear it. This kind of corruption has been exposed many times before, it's on all sides of the political spectrum, but you only when it suits the narrative of those revealing it.
I would agree with this to some extent, indeed I think we are under threat from Russia in multiple ways now, but the reasons they are adversaries to the extent they are, is due to failed foreign policy decisions, which came mainly from the US state department that we slavishly follow due to our client status.....the client status being the result of not staying out of even bigger fecking wars that destroyed out place in the world.
My energy bill certainly hopes so, once this absurd war is finally over with.
Your narrative of the war has been debunked many times over and the book 'Provoked' is even used in US military circles today as detailed receipts of foreign policy folly. The research has been done by honest people and the documents and evidence for decisions is laid out. I bought the book, perhaps you should to.
No one serious who looks beyond just what is presented in the filtered media believes the black and white nonsense presented on it.....As I said, manna for soft brains.
"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."What Labour's £4m donation from a tax haven-based hedge fund tells us about our so-called democracy - Peace & Justice
These Labour donor revelations, first reported by openDemocracy, show that cronyism and corruption are alive and well in Westminster.thecorbynproject.com
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Labour handed £4m from tax haven-based hedge fund
Quadrature’s donation is noteworthy not just for being Labour’s largest-ever, but for its timing ahead of electionwww.opendemocracy.net
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Five parties accept illegal donations, exposing flaws in…
Conservatives, SNP, Reform, Lib Dems and Greens took payments from donor not on electoral registerwww.thebureauinvestigates.com
Kindly refer to the direct quote, rather than your “selected memory” of it!
At first sight whilst we all understand politicians are corrupt, the key point here is russian money the ultra dirty rouble. In conclusion some hands are dirtier than others, politicians are in general an untrustworthy bunch but some hands are dirtier than others.What Labour's £4m donation from a tax haven-based hedge fund tells us about our so-called democracy - Peace & Justice
These Labour donor revelations, first reported by openDemocracy, show that cronyism and corruption are alive and well in Westminster.thecorbynproject.com
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Labour handed £4m from tax haven-based hedge fund
Quadrature’s donation is noteworthy not just for being Labour’s largest-ever, but for its timing ahead of electionwww.opendemocracy.net
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Five parties accept illegal donations, exposing flaws in…
Conservatives, SNP, Reform, Lib Dems and Greens took payments from donor not on electoral registerwww.thebureauinvestigates.com
Roubles bad, US Dollar bad, Chinese Yuan okay 😀At first sight whilst we all understand politicians are corrupt, the key point here is russian money the ultra dirty rouble. In conclusion some hands are dirtier than others, politicians are in general an untrustworthy bunch but some hands are dirtier than others.
Eric Blair always hits the nail squarely on the head! A critical book about Stalin and his corrupt implementation of communism. Stalin's career prior to politics was being a bank robber. Laverentiy Beria his trusted head of secret police would have raised eyebrows within any grooming gang for his unbelievable actions."The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
So you cannot, or will not!You wade through the years of debate on the Ukraine thread on our previous site if you want to.
I'm not doing your work because you have a dodgy memory.
But I have correctly summarised your position at the time.
So you cannot, or will not!
You made the allegation. It’s up to you to produce the evidence to support it. Not for me. Nor is it for you to “summarise” my position based entirely on memory and when your opinion of me, and my opinions, is so heavily biased. You posted what appeared to be a verbatim quote, so let’s see where I said it!
Kindly produce the evidence or withdraw and apologise.
That this statement, which has the appearance of a direct quote, was ever said by me:-Allegation?
Verbatim quote?
That we were not at war with Russia was your position at I refer to, 'exact quotes' from years ago is a ridiculous ask. You aren't worth the time for me to dig it up.
What are you denying exactly?
That this statement, which has the appearance of a direct quote, was ever said by me:-
“We are not at war with Russia.....nor China and all this 'phobia' bait in the media is only used to justify some pretty awful foreign policy directions that multiple governments have taken.....resulting in us being poorer for zero gain”.
Not only was it not, I would never have said anything like that.
Perhaps what you actually meant was my continuing certainly that the Russian covert support for his 2016 election campaign was real and that, whilst he kept it at arms length, he knew of, and approved, it.
If so you should have said so. You did not.
Ok, I’ll leave it there as it’s as close to an apology as I am likely to get. For that I thank you.Well, you have added American quote marks to something I never stated was a quote.
Looking at the original post yesterday, if I'm charitable I think I can make a case for why you might think I might have been direct quoting you fully on the paragraph you seem to be offended about, as the paragraph before it was, 'I also have to repeat what Wisbech told me for many months.'
No, your position at the time was that we weren't at war with Russia but instead correctly responding. This was contesting my position that in all practical purposes we were at war and that it was foolish and bad policy.
You certainly didn't have the position, 'nor China and all this 'phobia' bait in the media is only used to justify some pretty awful foreign policy directions that multiple governments have taken.....resulting in us being poorer for zero gain'. No, that's my commentary.
It certainly wasn't intended to suggest it was yours but I think I can take the criticism that I could have written it better.