Epstein

Matov said:
All the talk seems to be about Labour 'angry' about Mandleson and this Epstein stuff. Like it has come as a surprise. It is quite staggering to absorb this. The is a man who had to resign not once but twice from Ministerial posts. And was photographed numerous times in Epsteins company. And what do Labour do? They make him a Lord so they can bring him back in Goverment and then they make him Ambassador to the US. WTF? And yet now they proclaim to be angry because it turns out (and who would have thought it?) that Mandleson is a full on wrong'un. Who knew?
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Mandelson, like Boris Johnson is just a lying machine. He may have been forced to resign twice but there were many many other incidents, widely reported at the time, of his passing acquaintance with the truth. His forced resignations were just the final straw, as opposed to isolated incidents.

At the time, he had the support of Blair and Campbell, which is how he survived for so long, so I can understand why some in the Labour Party would have kept quiet for fear of them. The big question today is why on earth Starmer thought it a good idea to bring him back? Either it shows an appalling lack of judgement or Mandy knows where the bodies are buried.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
And all of us who do tax Self Assessments. If we are late, or a penny out, then fines are issued.
How would Mandelson explain money just being put into his back account, with no tax being paid. These are very big sums, and you might have thought HMRC would at least ask the origin of such 'gifts', because they would be subject to tax, surely ?
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According to an expert I follow the real incentive was the expectation of a post government payday.
 
Badger11 said:
Mandelson, like Boris Johnson is just a lying machine. He may have been forced to resign twice but there were many many other incidents, widely reported at the time, of his passing acquaintance with the truth. His forced resignations were just the final straw, as opposed to isolated incidents.

At the time, he had the support of Blair and Campbell, which is how he survived for so long, so I can understand why some in the Labour Party would have kept quiet for fear of them. The big question today is why on earth Starmer thought it a good idea to bring him back? Either it shows an appalling lack of judgement or Mandy knows where the bodies are buried.
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Completely agreed up until your final 'big question'. Starmer is completely embedded within the same corrupt establishment. The only reason he is not in the Epstein papers is that he prefers a home delivery service. He isn't tainted by association with Mandy, because it's his natural company. Mandy is arguably more tainted by association with Starmer.

People who somehow rise in the traditional parties but who are not part of the same corrupt clique don't last long. Look no further than the ones the mainstream media teaches us to ridicule and blame - Jeremy Corbyn and Liz Truss have much more in common than they realise.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
It was reported in the last month or so, that Maxwell was willing to give (some) evidence. I think whatever she has to say would be controlled and scripted.
The Woody Allen comments were funny, "Oh, I need a new iphone. I'm just nipping over to Epstein Island for a few days". That is the brazen attitude of people who consider themselves immune from accountability. Andrew and Fergie are other such persons.
Mandelson is a dangerous one. He's been caught bang to rights. But oh, what to do ?
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Fergie is a disgusting creature.
One of the recent reveals is that she asked Epstein to marry her - after he had been outed as a peado. She even introduced her own daughters to him.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
It was reported in the last month or so, that Maxwell was willing to give (some) evidence. I think whatever she has to say would be controlled and scripted.
The Woody Allen comments were funny, "Oh, I need a new iphone. I'm just nipping over to Epstein Island for a few days". That is the brazen attitude of people who consider themselves immune from accountability. Andrew and Fergie are other such persons.
Mandelson is a dangerous one. He's been caught bang to rights. But oh, what to do ?
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From reading the emails you get a sense that with some of them, like Allen they are using euphemisms in place of plain language.....because obviously a multi millionaire like Allen doesn't need a free phone from PaedoStein.

People emailing Epstein about him being down to two steaks in the kitchen and that he needs more.....that's also pretty suspicious.....As if someone as rich as Epstein concerned himself with the weekly shop.

Pizzagate vibes......using coded language for illegal sexual stuff.
 
McAhuna said:
Completely agreed up until your final 'big question'. Starmer is completely embedded within the same corrupt establishment. The only reason he is not in the Epstein papers is that he prefers a home delivery service. He isn't tainted by association with Mandy, because it's his natural company. Mandy is arguably more tainted by association with Starmer.

People who somehow rise in the traditional parties but who are not part of the same corrupt clique don't last long. Look no further than the ones the mainstream media teaches us to ridicule and blame - Jeremy Corbyn and Liz Truss have much more in common than they realise.
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We see it all the time.

If you are part of the establishment you get protected from a lot of stuff.....Starmer's sexual preferences is obviously not all that he pretends it is.....but there is obviously a hands off from the media, maybe court related.

Yet if you aren't in the establishment or are considered an outsider you are subject to the upmost scrutiny and if they can take you down they will.

Same as it ever was.

Once Starmer is no longer top dog we will no doubt get to hear all the dishonest and dodgy stuff.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
It was reported in the last month or so, that Maxwell was willing to give (some) evidence. I think whatever she has to say would be controlled and scripted.
The Woody Allen comments were funny, "Oh, I need a new iphone. I'm just nipping over to Epstein Island for a few days". That is the brazen attitude of people who consider themselves immune from accountability. Andrew and Fergie are other such persons.
Mandelson is a dangerous one. He's been caught bang to rights. But oh, what to do ?
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Yup her treatment stinks of a cover up.

She agreed to be interviewed by investigators with the promise of being moved to a cushy jail which she got. Only she did not reveal anything of consequence. That is not typical.

Normally when a prisoner wants a deal they have to provide something actionable for the authorities before they get the payback.
 
Badger11 said:
At the time, he had the support of Blair and Campbell, which is how he survived for so long, so I can understand why some in the Labour Party would have kept quiet for fear of them. The big question today is why on earth Starmer thought it a good idea to bring him back? Either it shows an appalling lack of judgement or Mandy knows where the bodies are buried.
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The bit I never got was that in no single Universe, was it EVER a good idea to appoint somebody with Mandelson's history as the Ambassador to the US. Unless his entire unsuitability WAS the point of the exercise. Like a kind of 'f*** you' to the Washington Establishment? With Mandelson literally being the toxin we threatend to infect their entire system with? But then they bottle it at the first hint of these emails.

And now they act all so surprised? Seriously WTF. We are 100% in the Scorpion and the Frog territory here. This is the bit that stinks to high heaven. What else did they seriously expect. And if Mandelson was in fact leaking info to foreigners at the time of the financial crisis, and the implication is that the likes of Brown and Darling suspected this, why were MI5, whose job it is to shut down such leaks, not all over this like a rash?

Mandleson as a venal, corrupt deviant is not news. It has been established fact for decades. Thinking this the man to appoint to perhaps the most important Ambassadorship position? That is the definition of FUBAR.
 
I don’t know more than anyone else but the thought has occurred to me that perhaps it was because of Mandelson’s connection to Epstein that he was appointed to be the Ambassador.

Maybe it was thought he knew which strings could be pulled to get some protection for us during what was going to be a challenging period under Trump.

Maybe he was being used by the security forces and it was them who pushed for the appointment.

All speculation of course, which is never likely to be confirmed. Especially as he will now be going to jail.
 
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