Definition of stupid, taking a gun and confronting law enforcement

DanH said:
Lol. This exactly vindicates my earlier post.

This is why they are defending it on here - this is exactly what they want on our streets and why they’re so utterly desperate to push the ‘broken Britain’ narrative.
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Of course we want illegal immigration to stop. Of course we want the removal and deportation of illegal immigrants already here. It’s already law here and a policy but the ramping up of it to hugely effective levels can’t come soon enough!

Are you saying you do want hundreds of thousands of illegals to come here and then remain here?!
 
I don’t want my taxes paying for the housing, healthcare, benefits and general support of illegal immigrants. Stop them coming! Deport those already here!
 
Phil’s Barber said:
Of course we want illegal immigration to stop. Of course we want the removal and deportation of illegal immigrants already here. It’s already law here and a policy but the ramping up of it to hugely effective levels can’t come soon enough!

Are you saying you do want hundreds of thousands of illegals to come here and then remain here?!
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Very few people are 'pro' illegal immigration. I certainly am not. Very few people are also 'pro' the tactics being used by ICE. Most ordinary Brits would be absolutely horrified if we had similar on our streets.
 
Why would you take a loaded hand gun with extra magazines with you on a mission to interfere with and impede law enforcement carrying out their duties.?

This is a key question in isolation in that if he was not carrying a concealed weapon ( legally ) he would be alive.

The subsequent events and shooting will be investigated to the nth degree which they should.
 
DanH said:
Once again, his political opinions do not matter (and how desperate are Fox being here?) and he was a victim of multiple bullets being fired into him completely unnecessarily by ICE agents.
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Pretty sure they mattered a lot. I don't see any Trump voters getting involved with the cops.
 
beak said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Video shows moments around fatal shooting in Minneapolis

Bystander footage has captured the seconds before the killing of 37-year-old Alex Pretti.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Yup, as I said, BBC. He gets maced several times and carries on, then he's like an attack dog jumping in to pull at the person they are arresting, just totally interfering, then pinned down pushes his hands out of sight and the officers can't see if he has gone for his gun.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I just want to answer this point because it's important to me that what I actually want is clear from what I think is actually going to happen. They aren't the same thing.

Just because I make a prediction of something it doesn't mean I'm delighted and eager.

To be fair to myself I think I have made this clear many many times but then we get Dan with his apparent low interest levels with understanding arguments painting you as having advocated for something else.

To repeat....Democracy works best in homogeneous societies. The more you dilute a society into different fractions (racial, cultural, class) then the harder it becomes....A few and you're good. The more you add the harder it gets. The cohesion requires ensuring that 'keeping together' is better than 'disunity' and that translates into the country economically being successful enough.

Now this point isn't just about immigration, it covers the extent of philosophical and cultures diversity as well as the level of economic distance between elite/wealthy/middleclass/workingclass/underclass. It's important that's understood.

But for the sake of brevity as immigration is the usual most contenuous point I'll focus on that....but I repeat, it's not the only issue.

So obviously I am a significant critic of importing diverse racial groups into a country because it weakens cohesion.....When the numbers are low, maybe half will adapt and integrate (commonly the most talented because it pays) but the higher the numbers the less integration you get.

It's basic 101 human nature. A minority or people who consider themselves a minority will in the high percentage of cases (not all) vote against and act against the host majority interest and look to differential themselves.

Again basic 101 human nature.

This is not a dislike of other races (every group has great and good people...for example Braverman today), it's an understanding of how human societies work on the large scale.

This is common sense in most parts of the world.

Unlike what you suggest I'm not a fan of authoritarianism. I've always said on here that the natural state of man lies within decentralised systems and that means freedom from authoritarianism.

However that status only works within a framework of cohesion....and only an idiot thinks you get that by importing lots of cultures because obviously 'birds of a feather' happens in large enough numbers.

So the fact that societies like ours and in the US will become increasingly authoritarian (and this is just one aspect of why) isn't something I'm cheering on, it's something that the establishment within those societies are going to increasingly resemble as a reaction against the increasing disunity caused by their own policies.

Because at the end of the day the establishment only cares about itself....not truth, not fairness....just power.....Social media has just sped it all up....widening cracks that were always there.....When the economy breaks the only thing keeping them together ends....in reaction people resort to safety, which are their trusted groups.

It's human nature.

I get annoyed that people ignore nature and instead just virtue signal about fantasies.
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This is an excellent post Stirling. I concur completely.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Ok, let’s start with acknowledging that your previous claim was a complete fabrication before we move onto the next.

The guy was disarmed and restrained when they shot him - there’s no logical argument that he was a deadly threat to anyone.

We can talk about people doing stupid things all day - it doesn’t warrant being executed by the state, obviously.
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He offended people so he had it coming.

Just using one of the lefty arguments
 
DanH said:
Lol. This exactly vindicates my earlier post.

This is why they are defending it on here - this is exactly what they want on our streets and why they’re so utterly desperate to push the ‘broken Britain’ narrative.
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If Britain isn't broken then why is there so much protest then? Is this what success looks like for you?
 
Spindle said:
If Britain isn't broken then why is there so much protest then? Is this what success looks like for you?
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It’s very much not broken but I completely get why many are disenfranchised.

What frustrates me though is twofold; firstly, so much of it is overblown and the online right and Reform types have to rely on pushing this narrative even harder to make their case. If you look at underlying metrics then crime keeps going down, immigration is going down etc. our cities are overwhelmingly safe, but if you believe everything you see and read online it’s a Wild West overrun by criminal illegal immigrants hellbent on our destruction. This just isn’t true.

Secondly, it’s the scapegoating of immigrants, as is constant from that side of the political spectrum. We saw it in the EU referendum with Farage and his ilk selling leaving the EU as some silver bullet for improving our prospects and reducing immigration, when you quite passionately believe and know the opposite is true. It’s kneecapped us economically and meant we’ve had to rely on non-EU immigration to plug the holes.

There always has to be some sort of bogeyman for everyone’s ills - this time it’s just immigrants in general and it creates an awful ‘them and us’ friction. You said yourself it’s down to repeated government failures - it’s not just immigration.

Those who want this aggressive form of mass deportation on our streets also have no answers and show no joined up thinking with where we go from there. It’s a tiny percentage of immigrants who are here illegally. Most are here legally, with IDL or on visas/work permits and performing key roles in our public services and private enterprises. They can’t just be replaced overnight.

This country has undersold its youth with making further education so expensive, the cost of living so expensive, that we do not have people born and bred here ready to step into the tens of thousands of roles that would be vacated.

It would then be these same people that complain that they can’t get a doctor or dentist appointment, hospitals can’t function, care homes crumble etc. because they can’t be staffed, and prices sky rocket because people are having to pay more to convince British people to perform the menial tasks.

These frustrations have stemmed from the governments of the last 20 years - many of whom are now in the Reform party that many on here are queuing up to vote for again. Make it make sense.
 
DanH said:
It’s very much not broken but I completely get why many are disenfranchised.

What frustrates me though is twofold; firstly, so much of it is overblown and the online right and Reform types have to rely on pushing this narrative even harder to make their case. If you look at underlying metrics then crime keeps going down, immigration is going down etc. our cities are overwhelmingly safe, but if you believe everything you see and read online it’s a Wild West overrun by criminal illegal immigrants hellbent on our destruction. This just isn’t true.

Secondly, it’s the scapegoating of immigrants, as is constant from that side of the political spectrum. We saw it in the EU referendum with Farage and his ilk selling leaving the EU as some silver bullet for improving our prospects and reducing immigration, when you quite passionately believe and know the opposite is true. It’s kneecapped us economically and meant we’ve had to rely on non-EU immigration to plug the holes.

There always has to be some sort of bogeyman for everyone’s ills - this time it’s just immigrants in general and it creates an awful ‘them and us’ friction. You said yourself it’s down to repeated government failures - it’s not just immigration.

Those who want this aggressive form of mass deportation on our streets also have no answers and show no joined up thinking with where we go from there. It’s a tiny percentage of immigrants who are here illegally. Most are here legally, with IDL or on visas/work permits and performing key roles in our public services and private enterprises. They can’t just be replaced overnight.

This country has undersold its youth with making further education so expensive, the cost of living so expensive, that we do not have people born and bred here ready to step into the tens of thousands of roles that would be vacated.

It would then be these same people that complain that they can’t get a doctor or dentist appointment, hospitals can’t function, care homes crumble etc. because they can’t be staffed, and prices sky rocket because people are having to pay more to convince British people to perform the menial tasks.

These frustrations have stemmed from the governments of the last 20 years - many of whom are now in the Reform party that many on here are queuing up to vote for again. Make it make sense.
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Simple questions, would you allow an amnesty to the illegal immigrants awaiting " processing " and simply add them to the population? Do you favour open borders and allowing anyone who wants to live in the UK to do so? How many illegal immigrants are in the UK ?
 
DanH that's so sweet but so naive. Yes it gets politicised, yes it's multifaceted, but the rest is bollocks. I'm busy at work, someone else can shoot you down this time.

Your project is 100% at the heart of the failure.
 
Just in case people on the forum aren't aware of the behaviour and law breaking of the left wing activists interfering with ICE and law enforcement in Minnesota.


Be aware that these legal officers carrying out their duties are under constant physical threat by the left.....They are attacked and impeded by law breakers on the left.

Never forget, when Charlie Kirk was murdered by the far left, no businesses were damaged nor people attacked for it.

Trump has to come down like a hammer on this as much as this as possible.

He was elected, while being very clear that he would remove the illegals that Biden allowed across the border.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Ok, let’s start with acknowledging that your previous claim was a complete fabrication before we move onto the next.

The guy was disarmed and restrained when they shot him - there’s no logical argument that he was a deadly threat to anyone.

We can talk about people doing stupid things all day - it doesn’t warrant being executed by the state, obviously.
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I haven’t seen any footage yet that shows him restrained?! I’ve seen plenty that shows a violent struggle, non compliant & resisting but none whatsoever of him ‘restrained’.

Let’s just wait for the outcome of the investigation rather than start making things up and banding around allegations such as ‘executed’.
 
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