Definition of stupid, taking a gun and confronting law enforcement

beak said:
I don't know about any of you guys but if I see a bunch of Nazi thugs special forces with guns on an operation...I'm gonna jump in their way and impede their operation. Someone at some time had to say that Adolf Hitler and his thugs were wrong.
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You'll do nothing....Here's Conor to spell it out even better.

 
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beak said:
They are acting far worse,at least the Nazis sent to a way to a correctional camp and gassed you -they knew a little shame.
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This is a perfect example of the issue.

The Progressive Left are literal junkies. Addicts to virtue signalling. And championing the 'cause' of non-white immigrants is like a kind of heroin for them. Which explains the very apparent contradiction around why the Progressive Left, who proclaim themselves as the champion of womens/LBGTP rights, are so keen on allowing millions of people into the West who literally represent the very antithesis of what they proclaim to hold so dear to their hearts.

I genuinely believe if ICE were targeting legal migrants, the Left would probably kick up less of a fuss.

Hence the hysteria we see in this post.

And this is why the Progressive Left represent the single biggest threat to Western Civilisation. At least migrants are coming here because they want a slice of the cake as opposed to the PL who literally want to wipe it out by way of sating their never ending need for the dopamine.
 
Matov said:
This is a perfect example of the issue.

The Progressive Left are literal junkies. Addicts to virtue signalling. And championing the 'cause' of non-white immigrants is like a kind of heroin for them. Which explains the very apparent contradiction around why the Progressive Left, who proclaim themselves as the champion of womens/LBGTP rights, are so keen on allowing millions of people into the West who literally represent the very antithesis of what they proclaim to hold so dear to their hearts.

I genuinely believe if ICE were targeting legal migrants, the Left would probably kick up less of a fuss.

Hence the hysteria we see in this post.

And this is why the Progressive Left represent the single biggest threat to Western Civilisation. At least migrants are coming here because they want a slice of the cake as opposed to the PL who literally want to wipe it out by way of sating their never ending need for the dopamine.
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You seemed particularly absorbed by skin colour any reason?
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
what happens if he has another gun concealed ? This was a rapid take-down, not a thorough body search
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I saw a video of a cop being shot, nothing to do with ICE.

It was a routine stop of a suspected drug dealer. The black woman driver gets out of the car, so far so good she suddenly reaches into the car grabs a gun and shoots the officer. As he is falling backwards he some how manages to pull his gun and returns fire. All of this is seen from his bodycam. If it hadn't been captured on video BLM would have been all over it.

Anyway this is often the reality they face.

It's easy afterwards to say why didn't they....
 
Matov said:
This is a perfect example of the issue.

The Progressive Left are literal junkies. Addicts to virtue signalling. And championing the 'cause' of non-white immigrants is like a kind of heroin for them. Which explains the very apparent contradiction around why the Progressive Left, who proclaim themselves as the champion of womens/LBGTP rights, are so keen on allowing millions of people into the West who literally represent the very antithesis of what they proclaim to hold so dear to their hearts.

I genuinely believe if ICE were targeting legal migrants, the Left would probably kick up less of a fuss.

Hence the hysteria we see in this post.

And this is why the Progressive Left represent the single biggest threat to Western Civilisation. At least migrants are coming here because they want a slice of the cake as opposed to the PL who literally want to wipe it out by way of sating their never ending need for the dopamine.
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That type of person has always been there....today it's a form of politically far left Don Quixote.

The progressives, like any group have their subsections.....the most deluded of them all are the luxury communist class.....The Owen Jones types.

They think that they are all fighting the re-emergence of Hitler....they love the idea so much they invent it.
 
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Badger11 said:
I saw a video of a cop being shot, nothing to do with ICE.

It was a routine stop of a suspected drug dealer. The black woman driver gets out of the car, so far so good she suddenly reaches into the car grabs a gun and shoots the officer. As he is falling backwards he some how manages to pull his gun and returns fire. All of this is seen from his bodycam. If it hadn't been captured on video BLM would have been all over it.

Anyway this is often the reality they face.

It's easy afterwards to say why didn't they....
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... and thus nothing to do with this thread.

Police are trained at crowd control. It is one of their functions. ICE are not. Why were they there?

They are a poorly trained but highly resourced and all but autonomous militia with next to no accountability set up as a knee-jerk populist reaction to resolve an issue. They are, in effect, "getting something done". The US has plenty of form for this from agencies engaged to stamp out bootlegging during the prohibition to Homeland Security set up after 9/11.

We made the same mistake of using the wrong resource early doors Northern Ireland. Bloody Sunday. If you absolutely positively have to kill every motherf*cker in the room, send in the Paras... but not to a civil dispute. 26 unarmed civilians shot.

Around the same time, the US did the same, sending in the National Guard at Kent State against student hippies protesting about Nam. 4 dead, all unarmed.

No lesson learned.

Criticizing this is characterized as being pro or soft on illegal immigration. It isn't. It is calling out mission creep, poor control of civil disturbance and acts inconsistent with a leading liberal democracy.
 
silvertop said:
... and thus nothing to do with this thread.

Police are trained at crowd control. It is one of their functions. ICE are not. Why were they there?

They are a poorly trained but highly resourced and all but autonomous militia with next to no accountability set up as a knee-jerk populist reaction to resolve an issue. They are, in effect, "getting something done". The US has plenty of form for this from agencies engaged to stamp out bootlegging during the prohibition to Homeland Security set up after 9/11.

We made the same mistake of using the wrong resource early doors Northern Ireland. Bloody Sunday. If you absolutely positively have to kill every motherf*cker in the room, send in the Paras... but not to a civil dispute. 26 unarmed civilians shot.

Around the same time, the US did the same, sending in the National Guard at Kent State against student hippies protesting about Nam. 4 dead, all unarmed.

No lesson learned.

Criticizing this is characterized as being pro or soft on illegal immigration. It isn't. It is calling out mission creep, poor control of civil disturbance and acts inconsistent with a leading liberal democracy.
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Why are the Minnesota police not helping them with crowd control? As far as I know they are not responding to calls from ICE for help with this.

ICE are doing their job and the people that are tracking ICE keep showing up and impeding their law enforcement operations.
 
silvertop said:
... and thus nothing to do with this thread.

Police are trained at crowd control. It is one of their functions. ICE are not. Why were they there?

They are a poorly trained but highly resourced and all but autonomous militia with next to no accountability set up as a knee-jerk populist reaction to resolve an issue. They are, in effect, "getting something done". The US has plenty of form for this from agencies engaged to stamp out bootlegging during the prohibition to Homeland Security set up after 9/11.

We made the same mistake of using the wrong resource early doors Northern Ireland. Bloody Sunday. If you absolutely positively have to kill every motherf*cker in the room, send in the Paras... but not to a civil dispute. 26 unarmed civilians shot.

Around the same time, the US did the same, sending in the National Guard at Kent State against student hippies protesting about Nam. 4 dead, all unarmed.

No lesson learned.

Criticizing this is characterized as being pro or soft on illegal immigration. It isn't. It is calling out mission creep, poor control of civil disturbance and acts inconsistent with a leading liberal democracy.
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"How many ICE agents have you met? How familiar are you with the training they receive?"

And the reply was.............non existent
 
eaglesdare said:
Why are the Minnesota police not helping them with crowd control? As far as I know they are not responding to calls from ICE for help with this.

ICE are doing their job and the people that are tracking ICE keep showing up and impeding their law enforcement operations.
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Minnesota and other Dem states are not letting ICE into their jails to arrest known illegal immigrant criminals. This would be safer environment for all involved.

They refuse to establish the immigration status of arrested felons and advise the federal authorities

It's an ideology issue for the Dems
 
HKOwen said:
Minnesota and other Dem states are not letting ICE into their jails to arrest known illegal immigrant criminals. This would be safer environment for all involved.

They refuse to establish the immigration status of arrested felons and advise the federal authorities

It's an ideology issue for the Dems
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True and the issues are only happening in democratic states as far as I know.
 
eaglesdare said:
Why are the Minnesota police not helping them with crowd control? As far as I know they are not responding to calls from ICE for help with this.

ICE are doing their job and the people that are tracking ICE keep showing up and impeding their law enforcement operations.
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I would have thought shooting innocent people on the streets where they live didn't need help. The Nazis never 'phoned Ernst Rohm to help with a duck shoot.
 
silvertop said:
... and thus nothing to do with this thread.

Police are trained at crowd control. It is one of their functions. ICE are not. Why were they there?

They are a poorly trained but highly resourced and all but autonomous militia with next to no accountability set up as a knee-jerk populist reaction to resolve an issue. They are, in effect, "getting something done". The US has plenty of form for this from agencies engaged to stamp out bootlegging during the prohibition to Homeland Security set up after 9/11.

We made the same mistake of using the wrong resource early doors Northern Ireland. Bloody Sunday. If you absolutely positively have to kill every motherf*cker in the room, send in the Paras... but not to a civil dispute. 26 unarmed civilians shot.

Around the same time, the US did the same, sending in the National Guard at Kent State against student hippies protesting about Nam. 4 dead, all unarmed.

No lesson learned.

Criticizing this is characterized as being pro or soft on illegal immigration. It isn't. It is calling out mission creep, poor control of civil disturbance and acts inconsistent with a leading liberal democracy.
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Says you.

I think my example of a routine stop that rapidly became a life threatening situation for that officer demonstrates why it is easy to Monday quarterback a situation.

She wasn't armed when he stopped her and at first co-operated and then she didn't.
 
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