Crystal Palace vs. Burnley match thread

[Eagle-Trucker]

I went to bed seething last night and my Mrs ( God bless her she tries to help ) uttered the words " dont worry darling , its only a game " . Well do you ever get so angry you can feel your face twitching , well that was me . I woke up this morning while having the ongoing battle between me and putting my sock on , uttered under my breath " Usless c*** " the Mrs said never mind darling they might sack him today , One can only hope .

 

[JHB]

A really bad night in so many ways.
We were rubbish.
The Manager does not care.
Kamada is a lazy player not worthy of one third of his salary.
Pino is waste of space right now.
Johnson is either no good or no good in the system that he is being asked to fit into.
Poor play/passing all over the field.
Wharton wants to leave and I do not blame him.
Munoz is a shadow of his former self - why?
This cannot continue - something has to change.

No player is playing to his potential at the moment. Maybe JSL who has just joined. Bar that everyone else has gone backwards. That tells me something about the culture of the team right now.

 

[Frickin Saweet]

This is my view entirely and I made my opinions known vociferously from my seat, coils of smoke rising from my head.
We conceded 3 awful goals but Burnley should have had another when Flemming shot high over the bar from a good position. The surrendering of possession by Wharton and the subsequent defending left a lot to be desired.

reminded me a bit of watching England under Southgate. All the ball, peppering their box, but no real threat, passing backwards and sideways and painfully slow movement of the ball.

 

[park the bus]

A really bad night in so many ways.
We were rubbish.
The Manager does not care.
Kamada is a lazy player not worthy of one third of his salary.
Pino is waste of space right now.
Johnson is either no good or no good in the system that he is being asked to fit into.
Poor play/passing all over the field.
Wharton wants to leave and I do not blame him.
Munoz is a shadow of his former self - why?
This cannot continue - something has to change.

I said as much 6 weeks ago, it can't continue but it has, therefore one has to scrutinise what the hold up is. Candidates are now lining up, many of them failures, but it's a tough game, some get the 15 minutes of fame and a big off and then on to the next job to rinse / repeat.

 

[NEILLO]

That was a tough one to take.

The defensive discipline shown at Brighton was nowhere to be seen last night. Burnley had a good chance when it was 0-0 and that should have been a warning sign.

Two excellent finishes from Strand Larsen and at that point it was easy to assume that Palace would go on to win by 3 or 4. And I think therein lay last nights problems. The players became complacent presumably because they also thought they were on their way to a comfortable 3 points.

The midfield was pretty awful. Nobody protecting the back 3. Burnley had time and space to play through us.

I really would like to have seen Palace bring in a highly experienced, PL proven player this season. Midfield or Centre Back. Someone that could see what needed fixing on the pitch and go about getting it done. I think someone like that would have helped steady the ship when things started to unravel last night.

Going back to the '' complacency '' theory, I was lucky enough to be invited into the Boardroom after the game. It was interesting to talk to Steve Parish because you realise that on match days he's no different to us - just another fan. His view was the same as mine, he was not complimentary about the players attitude after establishing that 2-0 lead.

I'm sure Glasner and the players will be frustrated by having no game this weekend. After that result you just want to get out there again and put it behind you.

 

[NEILLO]

I went to bed seething last night and my Mrs ( God bless her she tries to help ) uttered the words " dont worry darling , its only a game " . Well do you ever get so angry you can feel your face twitching , well that was me . I woke up this morning while having the ongoing battle between me and putting my sock on , uttered under my breath " Usless c*** " the Mrs said never mind darling they might sack him today , One can only hope .

Just the one ??

 

[Nicholas91]

That was a tough one to take.

The defensive discipline shown at Brighton was nowhere to be seen last night. Burnley had a good chance when it was 0-0 and that should have been a warning sign.

Two excellent finishes from Strand Larsen and at that point it was easy to assume that Palace would go on to win by 3 or 4. And I think therein lay last nights problems. The players became complacent presumably because they also thought they were on their way to a comfortable 3 points.

The midfield was pretty awful. Nobody protecting the back 3. Burnley had time and space to play through us.

I really would like to have seen Palace bring in a highly experienced, PL proven player this season. Midfield or Centre Back. Someone that could see what needed fixing on the pitch and go about getting it done. I think someone like that would have helped steady the ship when things started to unravel last night.

Going back to the '' complacency '' theory, I was lucky enough to be invited into the Boardroom after the game. It was interesting to talk to Steve Parish because you realise that on match days he's no different to us - just another fan. His view was the same as mine, he was not complimentary about the players attitude after establishing that 2-0 lead.

I'm sure Glasner and the players will be frustrated by having no game this weekend. After that result you just want to get out there again and put it behind you.

With all due respect NEILLO, I'd pay more attention to the above were this a one-off.

It's not, it's been months now.

Nothing changes if nothing changes.

The players are instructed by the manager, and their attitude is a reflection of their relationship with the manager. The manager who's seen us drop from 4th to relegation candidates, lose to Macclesfield, lose to Larnaca, become completely useless on the pitch and throw away a two goal lead at home to relegation certs when we are in the mire ourselves.

To be disgruntled about last night as though it were a one-off poor game just seems insane to me.

 

[Uphill]

Even before our two goals I could see we had a fight on our hands. Our movement was poor, our ball control suspect and an attitude of receive and pass quickly meant it was too hectic.

Count the number of sideways and backwards passes - necessary because of a lack of movement up front. Even Munoz was guilty, instead of attempting runs down the wing (his trademark). We lack the calmness and authority of Guehi who could bring the ball forward whereas Lacroix, Lerma and Richards have no ability to hold the ball and await movement up front. Only Wharton had the confidence to do this but often he was too hurried.

It is obvious we now lack a leader. Henderson was given the job because there are no other candidates,
Lacroix has gone downhill as he tries to emulate Guehi and couldn't organise against Burnley's three goals. Our throw-ins are poor due to lack of movement and the long ones seem to be toothless and easy to defend.

The second half was one mad rush to get the ball forward, with no intelligence and very few shots. As many have mentioned we are hopeless at attacking a defensive formation and still vulnerable to quick break-outs.

The manager must take much blame for his mis-handling of the second half. Taking off our only creative player (Wharton) was baffling and to think that Pino, for all his inherent skills, could suddenly change his spots and influence our attack was stupid. I have one word for Uche - ugh! - what a waste.

I know Parish will have to stump up more cash to pay off Glasner but he should bite the bullet. Sorry to say but even Dyche wouldn't have allowed the debacle of this or the Macclesfield catastrophe.

The coming FA Cup weekend is going to be hard to stomach. Parish should do his duty and rid of Glasner.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

That was a tough one to take.

The defensive discipline shown at Brighton was nowhere to be seen last night. Burnley had a good chance when it was 0-0 and that should have been a warning sign.

Two excellent finishes from Strand Larsen and at that point it was easy to assume that Palace would go on to win by 3 or 4. And I think therein lay last nights problems. The players became complacent presumably because they also thought they were on their way to a comfortable 3 points.

The midfield was pretty awful. Nobody protecting the back 3. Burnley had time and space to play through us.

I really would like to have seen Palace bring in a highly experienced, PL proven player this season. Midfield or Centre Back. Someone that could see what needed fixing on the pitch and go about getting it done. I think someone like that would have helped steady the ship when things started to unravel last night.

Going back to the '' complacency '' theory, I was lucky enough to be invited into the Boardroom after the game. It was interesting to talk to Steve Parish because you realise that on match days he's no different to us - just another fan. His view was the same as mine, he was not complimentary about the players attitude after establishing that 2-0 lead.

I'm sure Glasner and the players will be frustrated by having no game this weekend. After that result you just want to get out there again and put it behind you.

That would be ironic since I'm sure we planned it that way. With the FA Cup being the weekend before our Conference game, it was a good idea to get knocked out in the previous round. No one would ever admit to that.

Glasner criticising the players is not a good sign. They were worthy of criticism, but Glasner's choices were partly to blame for the loss in my opinion. Wolves will be a massive game now. If we can't beat them, then who can we beat? Glasner is on borrowed time if we don't win.

 

[JHB]

That was a tough one to take.

The defensive discipline shown at Brighton was nowhere to be seen last night. Burnley had a good chance when it was 0-0 and that should have been a warning sign.

Two excellent finishes from Strand Larsen and at that point it was easy to assume that Palace would go on to win by 3 or 4. And I think therein lay last nights problems. The players became complacent presumably because they also thought they were on their way to a comfortable 3 points.

The midfield was pretty awful. Nobody protecting the back 3. Burnley had time and space to play through us.

I really would like to have seen Palace bring in a highly experienced, PL proven player this season. Midfield or Centre Back. Someone that could see what needed fixing on the pitch and go about getting it done. I think someone like that would have helped steady the ship when things started to unravel last night.

Going back to the '' complacency '' theory, I was lucky enough to be invited into the Boardroom after the game. It was interesting to talk to Steve Parish because you realise that on match days he's no different to us - just another fan. His view was the same as mine, he was not complimentary about the players attitude after establishing that 2-0 lead.

I'm sure Glasner and the players will be frustrated by having no game this weekend. After that result you just want to get out there again and put it behind you.

Thing is we keep expecting a reaction to shocking performers and it never happens. After Macclesfield I expected the team to come out firing against Sunderland. Energy, intensity, winning the ball, effort. Nope.

It’s the same thing each time. Slow, lethargic, second best. No reaction. No pride. No organisation

 

[NEILLO]

With all due respect NEILLO, I'd pay more attention to the above were this a one-off.

It's not, it's been months now.

Nothing changes if nothing changes.

The players are instructed by the manager, and their attitude is a reflection of their relationship with the manager. The manager who's seen us drop from 4th to relegation candidates, lose to Macclesfield, lose to Larnaca, become completely useless on the pitch and throw away a two goal lead at home to relegation certs when we are in the mire ourselves.

To be disgruntled about last night as though it were a one-off poor game just seems insane to me.

If you've ever played yourself, you would know that after any poor performance you just want to get out there again and try to put it behind you.

This thread is specifically about last nights game, but yes, my comments could equally apply to any of the matches you refer to.

After beating Brighton I said on here that it should be seen as a platform to push on from. I didn't see any criticism of the managers instructions to his players or their attitude after that game.

So I say again - at 2-0 up complacency crept in and at this level you can expect to be punished which we duly were.

 

[BromleyMonkey]

That would be ironic since I'm sure we planned it that way. With the FA Cup being the weekend before our Conference game, it was a good idea to get knocked out in the previous round. No one would ever admit to that.

Glasner criticising the players is not a good sign. They were worthy of criticism, but Glasner's choices were partly to blame for the loss in my opinion. Wolves will be a massive game now. If we can't beat them, then who can we beat? Glasner is on borrowed time if we don't win.

Surely you can’t really believe we through in the towel deliberately at Macclesfield?? Knowing the flack and embarrassment that would come our way.

 

[JessieJ]

Thing is we keep expecting a reaction to shocking performers and it never happens. After Macclesfield I expected the team to come out firing against Sunderland. Energy, intensity, winning the ball, effort. Nope.

It’s the same thing each time. Slow, lethargic, second best. No reaction. No pride. No organisation

That defensive discipline vs Brighton has, in the main always been there but only against teams that dominate possession. It works when we have time to organise practically a 10-man defence wall. As soon as the roles are reversed, as so many of us see over and over again, there are too many gaps. Thus, it has to be the system at the root of the problem. That obviously leads to the trainer, added to which the newer players aren't suitable for the system, which unsurprisingly leads to a sub-conscious and apparent lack of effort. That said, I would expect professional footballers to be able to adapt!

 

[Jameston88]

Biggest immediate problem is lack of onfield captaincy. Last night should have gone like this:

2-0 up

Concede two quick yellows

CPFC captain talks to the ref, why 2 quick yellows? Ref says because the fouls were denying Burnley counter attacks.

CPFC captain has a quick word with the players 'lads we are 2-0 up, let's stop trying to get Larsen a first half hat trick and everyone drop 10 yards (or metres).'

Possession stats switch and Burnley have 75% of the ball for the last 15 minutes of the half. They get a corner, but don't score

HT 2-0. Happy Days

OK, it's easy in hindsight, but my point is that it's a waste having Hendo as a Captain, when captains are now allowed to speak to the Ref and can slow the game down a bit.

Picking the captain is a more interesting question, which I don't know the answer to. Needs to be a regular starter with the coolest head (not Lacroix, Munoz, Wharton). Is Richards captain material maybe?

I make you right about Richards being made captain. I think he is captain of the USA team.

 

[eaglesdare]

If a goal keeper is captain can't they nominate an outfield player to talk to the ref?

Didint Hughes have that job against Brighton? I'm pretty sure if Hughes was playing he fouls for least one of those goals.

 

[mtp1958]

Ive never seen so much despondency after one game , we have all witness so much crap in the past , but still found something to cling to , im good at finding something but for the life of me I cant think of any ,

that near the end has effected me more than any brighton defeat , time to clean house ive lost faith , what jimmy cannon doing these days or jedis give someone a crash course on how to lead on the pitch

 

[Pete53]

If you've ever played yourself, you would know that after any poor performance you just want to get out there again and try to put it behind you.

This thread is specifically about last nights game, but yes, my comments could equally apply to any of the matches you refer to.

After beating Brighton I said on here that it should be seen as a platform to push on from. I didn't see any criticism of the managers instructions to his players or their attitude after that game.

So I say again - at 2-0 up complacency crept in and at this level you can expect to be punished which we duly were.

I think even after our first goal we started to back pedal a bit, and you could see Burnley were not going to take it sitting down. However, once JSL got our 2nd goal that really should have been curtains for the opposition. But oh no!

 

[eritheagle]

If a goal keeper is captain can't they nominate an outfield player to talk to the ref?

Didint Hughes have that job against Brighton? I'm pretty sure if Hughes was playing he fouls for least one of those goals.

Yes, i wrote in an earlier post that i think it was lacroix last night.

 

[silvertop]

Even before our two goals I could see we had a fight on our hands. Our movement was poor, our ball control suspect and an attitude of receive and pass quickly meant it was too hectic.

Count the number of sideways and backwards passes - necessary because of a lack of movement up front. Even Munoz was guilty, instead of attempting runs down the wing (his trademark). We lack the calmness and authority of Guehi who could bring the ball forward whereas Lacroix, Lerma and Richards have no ability to hold the ball and await movement up front. Only Wharton had the confidence to do this but often he was too hurried.

It is obvious we now lack a leader. Henderson was given the job because there are no other candidates,
Lacroix has gone downhill as he tries to emulate Guehi and couldn't organise against Burnley's three goals. Our throw-ins are poor due to lack of movement and the long ones seem to be toothless and easy to defend.

The second half was one mad rush to get the ball forward, with no intelligence and very few shots. As many have mentioned we are hopeless at attacking a defensive formation and still vulnerable to quick break-outs.

The manager must take much blame for his mis-handling of the second half. Taking off our only creative player (Wharton) was baffling and to think that Pino, for all his inherent skills, could suddenly change his spots and influence our attack was stupid. I have one word for Uche - ugh! - what a waste.

I know Parish will have to stump up more cash to pay off Glasner but he should bite the bullet. Sorry to say but even Dyche wouldn't have allowed the debacle of this or the Macclesfield catastrophe.

The coming FA Cup weekend is going to be hard to stomach. Parish should do his duty and rid of Glasner.

Neither would the OG of just a few months ago. Remember, we were 4th and cruising.

 

[Nicholas91]

If you've ever played yourself, you would know that after any poor performance you just want to get out there again and try to put it behind you.

This thread is specifically about last nights game, but yes, my comments could equally apply to any of the matches you refer to.

After beating Brighton I said on here that it should be seen as a platform to push on from. I didn't see any criticism of the managers instructions to his players or their attitude after that game.

So I say again - at 2-0 up complacency crept in and at this level you can expect to be punished which we duly were.

That's a fair enough take however I am far less optimistic and think it speaks to a far deeper problem (OG). That's not to say I am correct of course, just that there is sufficient evidence to form this opinion (as there is for yours too) and that's the opinion I hold.