Climate Change......is it all just a Load of Hot Air ?

[Common Sense Club]

I don’t think they’re necessarily conspiracies - I consider myself someone hugely concerned with environmental issues, but I also recognise there are governments and enterprises who will absolutely seek to exploit people’s fear in this space.

I think both can be true.

The government can’t tax nature, but they can tax the population by claiming that they are destroying nature.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Idea for a new smash hit West-End Musical.

Title : "Look, i was only saying"

The Plot : A merger of 'The Salem Witch Trials' and 'Climate Deniers'.

Starring Gary Lineker, Graham Norton, Alex Scott & Greta Thunberg. Richard Dawkins was rejected cos he did not have the Scientific intellectual rigour of the other 4 people.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Idea for a new smash hit West-End Musical.

Title : "Look, i was only saying"

The Plot : A merger of 'The Salem Witch Trials' and 'Climate Deniers'.

Starring Gary Lineker, Graham Norton, Alex Scott & Greta Thunberg. Richard Dawkins was rejected cos he did not have the Scientific intellectual rigour of the other 4 people.

Are you suggesting Dawkins doesn’t accept that man made climate change is a fact?

He does! He thinks it is mankind’s greatest challenge. He also thinks some of the responses are inappropriate.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I don’t think they’re necessarily conspiracies - I consider myself someone hugely concerned with environmental issues, but I also recognise there are governments and enterprises who will absolutely seek to exploit people’s fear in this space.

I think both can be true.

That governments will use taxation as a tool to enact change is obviously true. It’s an effective way of changing behaviour.

I don’t though describe that as “exploiting” fear. I describe it as using financial incentives.

That said the fear motive is, and always has been, a strong tool in any political armoury. So to overstate consequences in order to drive change which is regarded as in the public interest, is going to be done.

 

[Common Sense Club]

That governments will use taxation as a tool to enact change is obviously true. It’s an effective way of changing behaviour.

I don’t though describe that as “exploiting” fear. I describe it as using financial incentives.

That said the fear motive is, and always has been, a strong tool in any political armoury. So to overstate consequences in order to drive change which is regarded as in the public interest, is going to be done.

A couple of centuries ago the government could use the Church as an arms length means of control; if you did something against the narrative you would burn in hell.
Today the Church is not so relevant in the western world so another means of arms length control was needed, something that would mean you children and grandchildren would burn if you didn’t change your ways. Step forward the climate lobby machine, which (may) be using natural events to exercise that control (oh, and raise some additional tax revenue in the process).

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

The Earth is close to its hottest temperature, whilst supporting life.
But it's not really the temperature, it's the fantastically rapid way it has been rising from around 1850.
As others have said, the temperature has swayed one way and another for 1000,000 years or more.
It's the massively accelerated way we have got here, and it shows no sign of slowing.
It might be American oil, Russian gas or Chinese coal, but none of those are going to give up their wealth.
Maybe nature will sort it. But it's not looking good at the moment

 

[chris123]

The Earth is close to its hottest temperature, whilst supporting life.
But it's not really the temperature, it's the fantastically rapid way it has been rising from around 1850.
As others have said, the temperature has swayed one way and another for 1000,000 years or more.
It's the massively accelerated way we have got here, and it shows no sign of slowing.
It might be American oil, Russian gas or Chinese coal, but none of those are going to give up their wealth.
Maybe nature will sort it. But it's not looking good at the moment

Brazil chopping down the Amazon rain forests.

 

[cryrst]

That governments will use taxation as a tool to enact change is obviously true. It’s an effective way of changing behaviour.

I don’t though describe that as “exploiting” fear. I describe it as using financial incentives.

That said the fear motive is, and always has been, a strong tool in any political armoury. So to overstate consequences in order to drive change which is regarded as in the public interest, is going to be done.

aren’t incentives meant to be to get voluntary agreement. Why not give tax breaks and reductions to people who assist with the reduction. Loads goner get clobbered even though they do their bit for the dolphins !

 

[Teddy Eagle]

That governments will use taxation as a tool to enact change is obviously true. It’s an effective way of changing behaviour.

I don’t though describe that as “exploiting” fear. I describe it as using financial incentives.

That said the fear motive is, and always has been, a strong tool in any political armoury. So to overstate consequences in order to drive change which is regarded as in the public interest, is going to be done.

How does a ULEZ charge (as well as the mooted 3 p a mile surcharge) incentivise anyone to drive one?

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Brazil chopping down the Amazon rain forests.

Exactly. The big economies aren't going to give up selling their resources. Poorer countries, similarly, are exploiting what they can. It's all about the money.
Driving your electric car and paying huge amounts of eco-taxes aren't going to sort anything.

 

[chris123]

Exactly. The big economies aren't going to give up selling their resources. Poorer countries, similarly, are exploiting what they can. It's all about the money.
Driving your electric car and paying huge amounts of eco-taxes aren't going to sort anything.

Everything that's made in China has a massive cost, they are the largest users of coal, and we count that as a zero on our carbon footprint

 

[ASCPFC]

If anything were about climate change then there are completely obvious measures that could be taken. Taxing electric vehicles is hardly one one of them.
Obvious things would be mandatory tree planting. A phasing out of petrol - diesel electric hybrids should be allowed. But only electric vehicles in city centres without a valid business reason. Why do I say diesel: it's highly efficient and it's pollution can be dealt with. Petrol flows out of the exhaust half the time.
Mandatory solar panels - why not? They're actually crazily cheap despite what the companies are charging you. Buy them on f***ing Temu. Hydro power - endless free power all around us. New Nuclear technology - last one hundred years or more with a tiny amount of fuel. With very little (grams) of waste. Recycling of plastic into white sheets to float in the ocean - reflect sunlight. White roofs etc. All obvious, yet not done. The reason for taxes is clearly not climate change.

t's wasteful s*** you're paying for: not anything to help climate change. Anybody thinking carbon taxes go anywhere for the climate is a fool. You may as well just give me your credit card number, pin and three digit code. It's what you would deserve.

 

[silvertop]

You deny both the experts and the obvious.

Man made climate change moved from being just the most likely hypothesis to being a universally accepted fact by the scientific community, excluding the nut jobs and those being paid to promote lies.

Yet people still try to deny it! Just because they wish it wasn’t true and invent conspiracy theories about taxes. No politician raises taxes unless there is no other choice. It’s the quickest way to become an ex politician!

Populist politicians like Farage know it’s real too but are so desperate for power will promise the earth, quite literally, to get it.

Or he embraces faux science produced and financed by and for the fossil fuel industry which is pumped through certain governments/politicians as fact for their political and financial expedience.

Precisely the same method was used with tobacco. I remember in my youth people saying the fears about smoking were just invented to raise duty and "...my uncle Frank lived till he was 5000 years old and he smoked 1,000,000 Capstan Navy Cut an hour..." etc. Turned out these myths were based on false science financed by Big Tobacco and filtered into the public domain as "fact" by friendly (bought) media and friendly(bought) politicians.

Ditto climate change.

On Farage, I doubt this fossil fuel bias is limited to right wing populist types. However, the problem is that people have more confidence in what he says than what anyone else says as he feeds into a narrative that chimes with them, especially on immigration. It must be difficult to want change, to see him as the means of achieving that, but having to select the bits he says that are true and the bits that are patently bollox, like his gammoning on climate change.

 

[silvertop]

Everything that's made in China has a massive cost, they are the largest users of coal, and we count that as a zero on our carbon footprint

Oh yes, there is a great deal of cooking of books when it comes to national data.

 

[silvertop]

Idea for a new smash hit West-End Musical.

Title : "Look, i was only saying"

The Plot : A merger of 'The Salem Witch Trials' and 'Climate Deniers'.

Starring Gary Lineker, Graham Norton, Alex Scott & Greta Thunberg. Richard Dawkins was rejected cos he did not have the Scientific intellectual rigour of the other 4 people.

They have already made "Don't Look Up" for the denial culture.

By way of lighter relief, a friend of mine bought a US muscle car and called it "Greta"

 

[Common Sense Club]

Ed milliband is the poster boy of climate change.

Sleep well everyone

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The government is promising to build 1.5 million houses that we apparently need. Climate change is such an important topic that vast swathes of farming land is going to be dug up for solar farms. And yet in my part of Sussex, the approx 500 houses that are being built or are at planning stage, have no solar panels as part of the build.
Strange.

 

[ASCPFC]

The government is promising to build 1.5 million houses that we apparently need. Climate change is such an important topic that vast swathes of farming land is going to be dug up for solar farms. And yet in my part of Sussex, the approx 500 houses that are being built or are at planning stage, have no solar panels as part of the build.
Strange.

Exactly the kind of point I'm making. They're just charging individuals but the money is not going on anything environmentally useful. There is no joined up thinking or common sense. Like the millions of trees cut down to facilitate a climate conference. What next, nuke somewhere to hold a nuclear power conference?

 

[Mattconrov]

The government is promising to build 1.5 million houses that we apparently need. Climate change is such an important topic that vast swathes of farming land is going to be dug up for solar farms. And yet in my part of Sussex, the approx 500 houses that are being built or are at planning stage, have no solar panels as part of the build.
Strange.

The government talks out of both sides of the mouth

 

[Mattconrov]

 

[Runningman]

The government talks out of both sides of the mouth

Also it’s’ ass….