Climate Change......is it all just a Load of Hot Air ?

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PalazioVecchio

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Yes. The weather really is warmer than a few decades ago - especially the Summers. And we do have glaciers & ice-shelves retreating. Snowfall is down, storms are up. What does it all mean ? a trivial trend, only a blip and really meaningless ? Or one of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse ? Climates have always waxed and waned. Sometimes barely noticeable, sometimes devastating to humanity.

And can you express your true opinions on this ? without going to prison ?

In the past, people have been punished for expressing opinions on....

- Transubstantiation
- Communism

- Anti Vaxxers & Covid
- Asylum seekers

- Grooming Gangs
- religion

Surely Climate scepticism will be the new heresy ?

The Climate Change discussion. Or is it a boxing match ? Will HOL now please divide into the red-corner versus the blue-corner.

Red = shut up and drink your coffee, nothing to see here.
Blue = aaaagggghhhh. Its the End of the World. The End is Nigh.

 
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In brief it is in my view obviously real, and very likely closely linked to what humanity is doing.

However, in the UK we have no chance of making any real difference to it, so our response needs to be to prepare our country for its effects, not to impoverish ourselves with economically damaging net zero policies. Some thought leadership to try to influence the USA, China, India and Russia is the right thing, bit will it make a difference ? Of course it won't. And no you shouldn't be imprisoned for scepticism, just corrected 🤣
 
PalazioVecchio said:
Yes. The weather really is warmer than a few decades ago - especially the Summers. What does it all mean ? a trivial trend, only a blip and really meaningless ? Or one of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse ? Climates have always waxed and waned. Sometimes barely noticeable, sometimes devastating to humanity.

And can you express your true opinions on this ? without going to prison ?

In the past, people have been punished for expressing opinions on....

- Transubstantiation
- Communism

- Anti Vaxxers & Covid
- Asylum seekers

- Grooming Gangs
- religion

Surely Climate scepticism will be the new heresy ?

The Climate Change discussion. Or is it a boxing match ? Will HOL now please divide into the red-corner versus the blue-corner.
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Thanks for your scientific input.
 
You are correct, Eagle (Living In Hope). I have always thought it ludicrous and vindictive to crucify a village farmer, on the Outer Hebrides, for burning peat in the tiny hearth of his tiny Cottage. Meanwhile heavy industry in China, Russia or some other industrialized behemoth has blacked out the sun....often permanently.

www.aljazeera.com

Photos: Climate action clashes with tradition in Ireland’s peat bogs

Peat-cutting tradition is fading amid environmental damage and bid to restore bogs.
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My opinion is climate change is real. The earth changes cycles every few hundred / thousands of years. However I think here is a hell of a lot of fear mongering going on and climate change is used as a tool for taxes and fear mongering. Basically an exaggerated threat.

Leonardo DiCaprio, who is a UN Messenger of Peace on climate, has flown private jets extensively.

Didint prince William fly to brazil recently on his private jet to talk about climate change? 🥴 Clearly could have been done on zoom to reduce emissions and safe the climate 🙄

China and India lecture on emissions while they build coal plants.

I also see that reeves is planning on taxing people with EV cars now. So much for trying to trying to provide incentives for people to move away from petrol / diesel.

I did recently have some solar panels installed on my roof tho. Not much sun where I am but I get hot water all day from them.
 
cryrst said:
It’s all bollox and literally made to raise taxes. What is the CO2 ppm BTW.
Someone posted they know it.
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You deny both the experts and the obvious.

Man made climate change moved from being just the most likely hypothesis to being a universally accepted fact by the scientific community, excluding the nut jobs and those being paid to promote lies.

Yet people still try to deny it! Just because they wish it wasn’t true and invent conspiracy theories about taxes. No politician raises taxes unless there is no other choice. It’s the quickest way to become an ex politician!

Populist politicians like Farage know it’s real too but are so desperate for power will promise the earth, quite literally, to get it.
 
cei.org

Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute

Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today. None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true. What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and...
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Some of the articles may not be clearly scene. I'll see if I can fix it.


This should end the debate. But we will have Wisbech coming on with his world class mental gymnastics
 
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Mattconrov said:
cei.org

Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute

Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today. None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true. What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and...
cei.org cei.org

Some of the articles may not be clearly scene. I'll see if I can fix it.


This should end the debate. But we will have Wisbech coming on with his world class mental gymnastics
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The existence of some incorrect apocalyptic predictions over the decades doesn’t disprove anything - obviously newspapers are going to run sensationalist headlines.

There are plenty of climate predictions which have proved completely correct:


- global temperature rises; as far back as the 70s and 80s climate models projected that CO2 emissions would lead to a steady rise in global average temperature. Proved correct.

- rising sea levels; also predicted since the 80s and also proved completely correct.

- climate models predicted that sea ice and mountain glaciers would retreat rapidly which has proved correct.

- more common heatwaves and extreme heat events have long been predicted, and we now see that happening.

- more intense rainfall and flooding have also long been predicted and proved correct.

- predicted ocean warming and acidification has proved correct
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
You deny both the experts and the obvious.

Man made climate change moved from being just the most likely hypothesis to being a universally accepted fact by the scientific community, excluding the nut jobs and those being paid to promote lies.

Yet people still try to deny it! Just because they wish it wasn’t true and invent conspiracy theories about taxes. No politician raises taxes unless there is no other choice. It’s the quickest way to become an ex politician!

Populist politicians like Farage know it’s real too but are so desperate for power will promise the earth, quite literally, to get it.
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I don’t think they’re necessarily conspiracies - I consider myself someone hugely concerned with environmental issues, but I also recognise there are governments and enterprises who will absolutely seek to exploit people’s fear in this space.

I think both can be true.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
The existence of some incorrect apocalyptic predictions over the decades doesn’t disprove anything - obviously newspapers are going to run sensationalist headlines.

There are plenty of climate predictions which have proved completely correct:


- global temperature rises; as far back as the 70s and 80s climate models projected that CO2 emissions would lead to a steady rise in global average temperature. Proved correct.

- rising sea levels; also predicted since the 80s and also proved completely correct.

- climate models predicted that sea ice and mountain glaciers would retreat rapidly which has proved correct.

- more common heatwaves and extreme heat events have long been predicted, and we now see that happening.

- more intense rainfall and flooding have also long been predicted and proved correct.

- predicted ocean warming and acidification has proved correct
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But they have got a lot wrong to.

So the line trust the experts is not to be trusted.

These are not just newspaper opinions. They come from the "experts"

They are some big claims they have got wrong since the 50s.

Just one other thing.

Co2 the gas of life

99 percent plus of co2, is water vaper.
 
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Mattconrov said:
But they have got a lot wrong to.

So the line trust the experts is not to be trusted.

These are not just newspaper opinions. They come from the "experts"

They are some big claims they have got wrong since the 50s.

Just one other thing.

Co2 the gas of life

99 percent plus of co2, is water vaper.
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The idea that all expert opinion can be disregarded because some other experts got something wrong is not a logic I at all agree with.

I think it's reasonable to treat the more apocalyptic and sensationalist claims with some scepticism, but the idea that you can just dismiss the topic as a whole is clearly silly.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
The idea that all expert opinion can be disregarded because some other experts got something wrong is not a logic I at all agree with.

I think it's reasonable to treat the more apocalyptic and sensationalist claims with some scepticism, but the idea that you can just dismiss the topic as a whole is clearly silly.
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Personally I'm not dismissing the topic as a whole.

How much humans contribute to "climate change" is the issue here.

Yes there is of course climate change; but it is being incorrectly represented by our government's for nefarious reasons, in my opinion.

When I question the narrative; people will say to me, how can all the experts be wrong?

Firstly they don't all agree and secondly as I have shown, they get a lot wrong.
 
Mattconrov said:
Personally I'm not dismissing the topic as a whole.

How much humans contribute to "climate change" is the issue here.

Yes there is of course climate change; but it is being incorrectly represented by our government's for nefarious reasons, in my opinion.

When I question the narrative; people will say to me, how can all the experts be wrong?

Firstly they don't all agree and secondly as I have shown, they get a lot wrong.
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I'd say your initial post was pretty dismissive of it!

As I said above, I think suspicion of some government action is perfectly understandable, and no doubt there is policy being pursued which feels more performative than practical, but that doesn't make me less believing of the issue itself.

There is pretty much unanimous agreement amongst experts that the climate is pretty f***ed, and we're a big contributor to that. There is some debate around the level of f***ed we are, and how big our contribution to it is, but no one really disagrees with the headline points.

I think you're vastly overvaluing a scattering of sensationalist newspaper headlines spread over decades as evidence.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
I'd say your initial post was pretty dismissive of it!

As I said above, I think suspicion of some government action is perfectly understandable, and no doubt there is policy being pursued which feels more performative than practical, but that doesn't make me less believing of the issue itself.

There is pretty much unanimous agreement amongst experts that the climate is pretty f***ed, and we're a big contributor to that. There is some debate around the level of f***ed we are, and how big our contribution to it is, but no one really disagrees with the headline points.

I think you're vastly overvaluing a scattering of sensationalist newspaper headlines spread over decades as evidence.
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That's as clear as custard. Thank you. Lol

Those "sensationalist headlines" have been the main driver of the narrative for many year's and continue to be so
 
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