Chauvinist men & the Manosphere

[PalazioVecchio]

We have a thread on 'Liberal Women'. For the purposes of balance, i invite your submissions to the other side of the coin.

- Donald Trump

- Andrew Tate

- Charlie Kirk, RiP

- Paul Joseph Watson

I was going to call it 'Conservative men' but couldn't stomach the thought of Boris Johnson and all his harem-hypocrisy while lecturing the rest of us about 'conservative family values'. Indeed Tate himself is very coy about his own private life......in between him telling all the rest of us how to live. So, Chauvinistic men it is.

 

[Spindle]

An opportunity for Dantifa

 

[cryrst]

An opportunity for Dantifa

Open goal but he will miss 😉

 

[DanH]

Open goal but he will miss 😉

No come on then, how do you feel about these people the OP has name checked?

Positive male role models for your son? People you’d be happy your daughter took home?

 

[Spindle]

Have you ever given any a fair listen? Of course not. You're led by prejudice. Nobody asked you to agree, but not to make a judgement solely on you echo chambers.

Left wing hypocrisy again

 

[DanH]

Have you ever given any a fair listen? Of course not. You're led by prejudice. Nobody asked you to agree, but not to make a judgement solely on you echo chambers.

Left wing hypocrisy again

I’ve given them a fair listen and seen what they’ve done to minds like yours when they infiltrate them.

It’s dangerous and scary.

 

[georgenorman]

No come on then, how do you feel about these people the OP has name checked?

Positive male role models for your son? People you’d be happy your daughter took home?

Don't follow leaders, and watch the parking meters [Bob Dylan]

 

[Stirlingsays]

I’ve given them a fair listen and seen what they’ve done to minds like yours when they infiltrate them.

It’s dangerous and scary.

On the scale of things that never happened.

This was the most never happened of never happened.

 

[eaglesdare]

On the scale of things that never happened.

This was the most never happened of never happened.

Sounds like someone was up late last night and had too many soy lattes watching england play 🤭

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Sounds like someone was up late last night and had too many soy lattes watching england play 🤭

that wasn't England. That was the ireland A team. Kane, Rice, Grealish, O'Reilly, Anthony Gordon, etc..... even Clinton Morrison still waves the tricolour from the sidelines.

anyhoo.......Chauvinist men.

There is another HOL-thread about the connection between Islam and 'The Left'. Its perhaps curious that Chauvinist Western men have such an ideological barrier away from good Muslim men. Cos the two are very similar.....

- traditional gender roles
- she's gotta be a Virgin or no marriage, never marry a tired older woman. Avoid single mothers.
- the man is the boss
- an alpha male has many wives
- Daddy gets to veto what men his daughter will be getting with.....

etc etc

And the fact that Andrew Tate himself converted to Islam is surely significant ?

 

[Stirlingsays]

that wasn't England. That was the ireland A team. Kane, Rice, Grealish, O'Reilly, Anthony Gordon, etc..... even Clinton Morrison still waves the tricolour from the sidelines.

Don't start that.

Ireland claim something is Irish if someone successful even likes the colour green.

anyhoo.......Chauvinist men.

There is another HOL-thread about the connection between Islam and 'The Left'. Its perhaps curious that Chauvinist Western men have such an ideological barrier away from good Muslim men. Cos the two are very similar.....

- traditional gender roles
- she's gotta be a Virgin or no marriage, never marry a tired older woman. Avoid single mothers.
- the man is the boss
- an alpha male has many wives
- Daddy gets to veto what men his daughter will be getting with.....

etc etc

In what world are you claiming that Andrew Tate is traditional? He made his initial money being a digital pimp.

'An alpha male has many wives'? What? And that is traditional how?

Some of the things that Tate says are accurate about how feminism declines society and how boys/males are badly treated, especially white boys/males in their own countries. He is also a man with an excellent brain, brighter than most of his critics.

But in no way is he a traditionalist and while he has some accurate commentary he is no role model.

And the fact that Andrew Tate himself converted to Islam is surely significant ?

Islamic social conservatism is not western social conservatism, they are not the same. Two traditions can share some ideas but be strongly opposed due to their differences and loyalties.

Both Hitler and Churchill were conservatives and they were both anti communist, but they were obviously not the same.

As for Tate being a Muslim....personally I regard that as a joke.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

'An alpha male has many wifes'? What? And that is traditional how?

i don't make the rules. Christian Europe....every King had plenty of kids by plenty of women. Only the married women produced legitimate heirs....of course. And also in the Far East, Latin America, Africa etc .....so polygamy of Powerful men IS traditional.

Both Hitler and Churchill were conservatives and they were both anti communist, but they were obviously not the same.

Probably both psychopaths. Both liked to carry a gun in their pocket. Both avid painters who did military service. Both are disliked in Poland even to this day. Both had a certain deference to Royalty, Pomp & ceremony. Both violent bigoted racists - with a sense of a superiority of their own tribe , but only one was from a background of privilege. And only one was an alcoholic - the other was a Christiano Ronaldo in the sense of a teetotaler whose dad was a p1.sshead.

But they do both belong on this thread.

 

[Stirlingsays]

i don't make the rules. Christian Europe....every King had plenty of kids by plenty of women. Only the married women produced legitimate heirs....of course. And also in the Far East, Latin America, Africa etc .....so polygamy of Powerful men IS traditional.

No,'powerful men' with harems isn't 'traditional'.

We aren't living in medieval Europe for one.....the Church was the main ruler in many people's lives, including kings and queens and no.....having plenty of kids by different women was not approved of as 'traditional'.

The rule for traditionalism was one wife and that's how the populous in Europe lived.

As for modern powerful western men, having multiple women has never been considered 'traditional'.
Maybe, if you're single and young the rules are somewhat different but it's still frowned upon if done openly.
If you're married it's essentially breaking vows.

No, this is not the western tradition.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Probably both psychopaths. Both liked to carry a gun in their pocket. Both avid painters who did military service. Both are disliked in Poland even to this day. Both had a certain deference to Royalty, Pomp & ceremony. Both violent bigoted racists - with a sense of a superiority of their own tribe , but only one was from a background of privilege. And only one was an alcoholic - the other was a Christiano Ronaldo in the sense of a teetotaler whose dad was a p1.sshead.

But they do both belong on this thread.

Your use of leftist terms and concepts here isn't for me.

I try not to use...and thus accept.... the terminology of my enemy.

The truth is more nuanced anyway.

 

[georgenorman]

i don't make the rules. Christian Europe....every King had plenty of kids by plenty of women. Only the married women produced legitimate heirs....of course. And also in the Far East, Latin America, Africa etc .....so polygamy of Powerful men IS traditional.

Probably both psychopaths. Both liked to carry a gun in their pocket. Both avid painters who did military service. Both are disliked in Poland even to this day. Both had a certain deference to Royalty, Pomp & ceremony. Both violent bigoted racists - with a sense of a superiority of their own tribe , but only one was from a background of privilege. And only one was an alcoholic - the other was a Christiano Ronaldo in the sense of a teetotaler whose dad was a p1.sshead.

But they do both belong on this thread.

You forgot to mention that one wanted to kill every Jew on earth and enslave most of the rest of the world's population and that the other was a major reason that the former failed.

 

[ASCPFC]

You forgot to mention that one wanted to kill every Jew on earth and enslave most of the rest of the world's population and that the other was a major reason that the former failed.

One would have voted for the Greens today then.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

 

[Nicholas91]

Correct to some extent Daniel, however join a long line of people who love to critique it all yet offer no alternative solution to the disillusionment of young men.

I actually agree with much of what Tate says, although I'm no expert on him. I think his value is limited however as it is tied to and driven by his own personal gain. It's hardly a replicable model and therefore nothing short of a pathway to failure and further disillusionment for many young men. He's there to make money, not do anybody but himself a service.

It also requires a certain level of spiritual wellness to understand some of the messaging behind what he says which when taken at face value, can be quite corrupting and therefore potentially damaging for a large portion of the male population too. So he can be no different to the so called leftie groups such as Antifa, who equally weaponise the spiritually unwell for their own gain.

I therefore agree with the video however without irony, it's another person producing social media content for their own gain without any solution or anything of value of to offer the consumer.