Another terror attack

Wisbech Eagle said:
Of course not! It’s not what I said but your response is typical of the attitude of the right over this issue.

I criticised those who conflate the entire Jewish community with the government in Israel and suggested those who oppose Netanyahu them, and his politics, could help the situation by being more vocal.

That’s no different to suggesting that the vast majority within the Muslim community who are as appalled by these types of incidents as anyone else could help by also being more vocal in their condemnation of them and pointing out they know the British Jewish aren’t controlling Israel.

We need to encourage good and sensible people to be brave, risk upsetting some and speak up. Even better if they did it together.

We will not solve these kind of fundamentalist issues by increasing divisions. They can only be solved, eventually, by bridging divides, finding compromises and establishing respect. I will never see that day. Nor, probably will you but our great, great grandchildren might and we can see a start being made.
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What evidence do you have of the majority of the muslim population condemning this?

Utter claptrap, you're quick to insist on evidence but then make up shite like this.
 
Spindle said:
What evidence do you have of the majority of the muslim population condemning this?

Utter claptrap, you're quick to insist on evidence but then make up shite like this.
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I didn’t say condemning. They don’t openly enough and that’s a big problem. I said appalled. The evidence for which I use my own ears, eyes and brain. The majority of Muslims aren’t terrorists, brainwashed into an extreme ideology. They are simply people wanting the same kind of things we all do. Of course they will be appalled. They are human beings just as much as we are.

Don’t trust my opinion? I asked Google the question. This is the response:-

“The vast majority of Muslims globally condemn terrorism and violent extremism, often viewing them as contrary to the teachings of Islam and regarding terrorists as violent criminals who tarnish their religion. Studies show overwhelming disapproval of groups like ISIS and suicide bombing, with many Muslims feeling that terrorism is not a "Muslim issue" but a shared threat, often expressing frustration at being unfairly associated with it.
Key insights on Muslim attitudes toward terrorism include:
  • Overwhelming Rejection: Polls, such as those by the Pew Research Center, consistently find that large majorities of Muslims in most countries do not believe that violence against civilians is justified.
  • Concerns About Extremism: A significant number of Muslims are concerned about the rise of extremism, with some studies indicating that a high percentage of Muslims (including women and older generations) are worried about Islamic extremist violence.
  • Views on ISIS/Al Qaeda: Views of groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS are overwhelmingly negative across various surveyed Muslim-majority populations.
  • Misconceptions and Media Impact: Many Muslims feel that terrorist acts are unfairly associated with Islam and that media coverage often lacks nuance, causing them to feel unjustly targeted by suspicion.
  • "No Religion" Argument: Many Muslims hold the view that terrorists are "violent psychopaths" who do not adhere to Islamic teachings, and that terrorism has no religion.
  • Contextual Differences: While the majority of Muslims oppose terrorism, some surveys have indicated that in certain contexts or regions, a small minority may hold differing views, sometimes influenced by political situations.
The overriding sentiment is one of condemnation, with many Muslims feeling that their communities are also victims of this extremism.”
 
Spindle said:
Makes sweeping poorly informed statement
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They do. There are many politically liberal Jews, both here and in Israel. I was in Israel for a few days just a couple of days Before the Hamas atrocity. I spoke with them. I saw Jews and Arabs involved in business together.

So it is informed. Not by gossip on the internet but by personal experience.

How many times have you been to Israel?
 
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Wisbech Eagle said:
They do. There are many politically liberal Jews, both here and in Israel. I was in Israel for a few days just a couple of days Before the Hamas atrocity. I spoke with them. I saw Jews and Arabs involved in business together.

So it is imformed. Not by gossip on the internet but by personal experience.

How many times have you been to Israel?
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Funny how personal experience of living in a modern city isn't enough evidence. In fact not having any such experience is better since it's more objective.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
They do. There are many politically liberal Jews, both here and in Israel. I was in Israel for a few days just a couple of days Before the Hamas atrocity. I spoke with them. I saw Jews and Arabs involved in business together.

So it is imformed. Not by gossip on the internet but by personal experience.

How many times have you been to Israel?
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I worked for an Israeli firm for 5 years, during 9/11 too, so yeah, umpteen times. That's pissed on your chips hasn't it.
 
Stirlingsays said:
True, but the number of attacks committed by 'far right' supporters against Jews or other demographics is tiny compared to what we see on the far left or those that vote for left wing parties.....who all supported the immigration policies that allowed anti semitic communities to greatly enlarge.
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Now yes.

Go back 20 years and for the previous 2000 and it has always been religious and / or nationalist right.
 
silvertop said:
Now yes.

Go back 20 years and for the previous 2000 and it has always been religious and / or nationalist right.
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What is the point of going back to a time before the current issues in the UK?

Those weren't right wing terrorist situations anyway.

The only terrorist situation that existed in my lifetime before we imported these foreigners was Northern Ireland.

That was geographically our issue......Not an imported one.

Religious....Yes....Nationalist? Not right wing nationalist (Unionist accepted)....As anyone who knows the anti British nationalist parties in NI or Scotland can attest to.
 
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Teddy Eagle said:
Funny how personal experience of living in a modern city isn't enough evidence. In fact not having any such experience is better since it's more objective.
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Of course personal experience of living in a modern city informs you and shapes your attitudes. I have never suggested otherwise. That it does is evidenced here frequently. Others, having different experiences, will have different attitudes. Those not directly experiencing things read the accounts, watch the reports from different viewpoints and form their own opinions. Free of the dangers of only seeing one brick.

I was a visitor to Israel. I have never lived there. My experience was slight, but enough to know that there is opposition to Netanyahu. I saw protests. I watched TV coverage and chatted to people. The tour guide who drove us accross to the Dead Sea was an Arab Israeli. He talked non stop about the region’s history.

I don’t claim to be an expert. All I claim is some direct experience which proved to me that there is a liberal political movement there.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Of course personal experience of living in a modern city informs you and shapes your attitudes. I have never suggested otherwise. That it does is evidenced here frequently. Others, having different experiences, will have different attitudes. Those not directly experiencing things read the accounts, watch the reports from different viewpoints and form their own opinions. Free of the dangers of only seeing one brick.

I was a visitor to Israel. I have never lived there. My experience was slight, but enough to know that there is opposition to Netanyahu. I saw protests. I watched TV coverage and chatted to people. The tour guide who drove us accross to the Dead Sea was an Arab Israeli. He talked non stop about the region’s history.

I don’t claim to be an expert. All I claim is some direct experience which proved to me that there is a liberal political movement there.
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Surprised you gave him the stage to talk non stop 😁
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Of course personal experience of living in a modern city informs you and shapes your attitudes. I have never suggested otherwise. That it does is evidenced here frequently. Others, having different experiences, will have different attitudes. Those not directly experiencing things read the accounts, watch the reports from different viewpoints and form their own opinions. Free of the dangers of only seeing one brick.

I was a visitor to Israel. I have never lived there. My experience was slight, but enough to know that there is opposition to Netanyahu. I saw protests. I watched TV coverage and chatted to people. The tour guide who drove us accross to the Dead Sea was an Arab Israeli. He talked non stop about the region’s history.

I don’t claim to be an expert. All I claim is some direct experience which proved to me that there is a liberal political movement there.
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Oh ok so you went there on holiday.

I'm an expert on Mallorca. I understand the people, history and politics more than anyone who has read a lot but hasn't been.
 
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