A tale of 2 handballs

[manoftaste]

Palace been involved in 2 handball penalty incidents in last 2 games, and in both I'm not sure natural justice was served.
Against Chelsea, Canvot blocked a shot on target with his body but the ball then hit his arm, which was by his side. Referee accepted contact with hand was unintentional, but still booked him and awarded a pen. But if it was unintentional, why the yellow card, and why a penalty?
Then against Forest, their defender stopped a certain goal by stretching out his arm and pushing the ball away with his hand. Red card and a pen. But supposing Sarr had missed that penalty? The way we played 2nd half, we'd never have equalised and Forest would have won the game 1-0 directly due to deliberate cheating. In rugby the ref can award a penalty try. Seems to me that we should have a 'penalty goal' in football for circumstances like this where a deliberate handball stops a certain goal.

 

[martin2412]

If Williams had let that go in, we would have lost playing against 11 in the second half

 

[BromleyMonkey]

If Williams had let that go in, we would have lost playing against 11 in the second half

definitely cost them the game, even against 10 men we did our usual at the moment and ran out of steam second half
Williams was our motm

 

[leejaneagles]

If we miss the penalty and then proceed to not have a shot on target for 50 minutes of football against 10 men then we don’t deserve anything.

I agree the Canvot one was a nonsense though.

 

[ASCPFC]

It's clear now to even the most earnest supporters of referees - who do it coming entirely from the right place - that the Canvot handball wasn't a handball and not a penalty. Not anything, so no yellow card either.

 

[Frenchaigle]

Palace been involved in 2 handball penalty incidents in last 2 games, and in both I'm not sure natural justice was served.
Against Chelsea, Canvot blocked a shot on target with his body but the ball then hit his arm, which was by his side. Referee accepted contact with hand was unintentional, but still booked him and awarded a pen. But if it was unintentional, why the yellow card, and why a penalty?
Then against Forest, their defender stopped a certain goal by stretching out his arm and pushing the ball away with his hand. Red card and a pen. But supposing Sarr had missed that penalty? The way we played 2nd half, we'd never have equalised and Forest would have won the game 1-0 directly due to deliberate cheating. In rugby the ref can award a penalty try. Seems to me that we should have a 'penalty goal' in football for circumstances like this where a deliberate handball stops a certain goal.

This reminds me of the Suarez incident against Ghana .
Ghana miss the penalty,a camera picks up Suarez celebrating wildly as he’s walking towards the tunnel

Yes I agree ,penalty goal .
Doesn’t seem right to have to score the goal again and give opposition an opportunity to prosper from cheating .
It would stamp out the ‘taking one for the team ‘.
The Ghana incident was massive.It meant Uruguay progressed to Quarters ?or semis ? Can’t remember exactly

 

[Boydie]

I completely agree with the concept of a "penalty goal" being given - especially now that VAR is available to check - rather than giving a penalty, which could be missed

However, I don't agree about the sending off helping us

I think after making it 1:1 - we would have had a much better chance of winning the game playing 11 v 11 (and this isn't in hindsight - I said it at the time based on our previous problems breaking teams / low block down) -and especially without having an out and out striker and relying on "runners"

 

[ASCPFC]

I completely agree with the concept of a "penalty goal" being given - especially now that VAR is available to check - rather than giving a penalty, which could be missed

However, I don't agree about the sending off helping us

I think after making it 1:1 - we would have had a much better chance of winning the game playing 11 v 11 (and this isn't in hindsight - I said it at the time based on our previous problems breaking teams / low block down) -and especially without having an out and out striker and relying on "runners"

We are indeed, sh1t against ten.

 

[CrazyBadger]

Fully in support of Penalty Goals in that scenario. not convinced it should have a 'double punishment' of a red card with it though.
Generally speaking it's better to be playing vs 10, but for teams that can't break down a subborn defence, there isn't much difference, what changes is the team that go down to 10 often get more stubborn. Which is what happened yesterday. It didn't help that our passing was so loose. We spurned multiple chances when they were overhit or even passed to noone.

 

[silvertop]

In all fairness, if yo do not want to come up against a team reduced to 10 men, it would be one managed by Dyche.

And on further balance (against my last comment) our team's Achilles is against a stubborn defence. No aptitude at all. I dread to think how we will do in frankly all of our February games.

 

[madcap_v2]

Canvot - not deliberate handball denying a goalscoring opportunity = Penalty, no booking
Williams - Deliberate handball (great save), denying a goalscoring opportunity = Penalty, sending off

 

[crvenaeagle]

I remember when Suarez stopped a Ghanaian goal in the exact same manner as Williams in the 59th second of the final minute of injury time, stopping the first African team to ever reach a World Cup semi final.

They fluffed the resulting penalty and Argentina went on to win the game and knock Ghana out. My heart still aches for them all these years later.

(All from memory so please allow errors and exaggerations)

 

[Nicholas91]

I remember when Suarez stopped a Ghanaian goal in the exact same manner as Williams in the 59th second of the final minute of injury time, stopping the first African team to ever reach a World Cup semi final.

They fluffed the resulting penalty and Argentina went on to win the game and knock Ghana out. My heart still aches for them all these years later.

(All from memory so please allow errors and exaggerations)

Was it Asamoah Gyan who missed?

That was a real footballing travesty that day.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

We are indeed, sh1t against ten.

Unfortunately 11 as well. 8 could be the magic number.

 

[crvenaeagle]

Was it Asamoah Gyan who missed?

That was a real footballing travesty that day.

I can't say I remember who it was, just that he leathered it so hard it must have landed in Timbuktu.

 

[ASCPFC]

Was it Asamoah Gyan who missed?

That was a real footballing travesty that day.

It was disgraceful.